Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[shade2]

How does this narrative align with the viewpoint here that we can hit Pak from deep within our airspace and don't need stealth at all?

If we could hit them without taking risks, how were they able to inflict losses on us?

I am far from an expert so asking for opinions from people who understand these things better.

Do they outrange us in terms of BVR missiles? Can their air defences hit us even if we are operating relatively deep within our air space?

This is based on my understanding that we can hit Pak with standoff missiles without going anywhere near their airspace.

I am not as well read in these matters but i don't think you can use Rafales with hammer bombas at standoff distance, those are only for scalp/brahmos type cruise missiles

Places like ((( Bahawalpur ))) are too deep so our jets may have crossed over to deliver their payloads

 

[asl001]

You don't understand his point. People at the level of the CDS don't make off the cuff remarks and keep repeating it. This was authorized at the highest level, above his pay grade.. The CDS didn't just make these remarks on his own. There is no way that he didn't know that the question of losses was going to come up and wasn't briefed on what to say.

I accept that his comments are exceedingly obtuse but he didn't go solo here.

I agree, that's what I think as well.
They don't want to hide losses.
And I'm not against that either.
I knew immediately during the press briefing, when they said " ALL OUR PILOTS ARE SAFE". But, it's okay. I mean, Pakis have capability too.

 

[chnvipgz]

Soros agents infiltrating dei and wokeness into indian army to humiliate it more and weakening it from inside.


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[Decahex]

LOL most of the engineers lack any romantic engagements throughout their college lives, hence at a first instance a fair girl says something nice, they straight away fall in love and start family planning with immediate effect. This is a fact (and please don't deny it, I know it for a fact) and it's the very reason most of the engineers are really dumb while dealing with the opposite sex!

Once honey trapped by ISI agents, they are too scared to reveal what dumb@$$ they are and get deeper into this shyt, start taking money, they just go deeper and deeper. The only solution is zero privacy for anyone working for the defence be it permanent or contractual.

That's one hell of a way to discourage even more talent from working for us in addition to the disappointing salary. As someone suggested earlier, @Sanglamorre , I believe, India must consider honey trapping it's own scientists and engineers to perform counter intelligence. Would be way more effective as counter intelligence and to root out moles.

 

[indrajit]

Bhai karna pada na baad me !
Karna pada ki nai ?
International opinion was never decisively for us, nor it will ever be .
International opinion ke chakkar me , gormint ne fauj ke haath baandh diye .

Vajpayee fought the Kargil war but prevented forces from decisively crossing the LC.
Modi, after Uri made sure only terrorists were hit.
Modi, after Pulwama again struck only a single terror camp and didn't escalate even after Pakistani retaliation.
Modi, after Pulwama initially struck terrorist targets but opened up after Pakistani retaliation.

Everything that happens has a context and a reference with what has happened before . I don't love the outcome here any more than you do, but it is what it is.

 

[fire starter]

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[Aaj Ka Hero]

This is what I have been telling from a long time, friendly fire most likely occured, because Bathinda one was too far out to be engaged by Pak. Cannot confirm the tweet thoughView attachment 37936

Add From my side too, we lost AN-124 TOO that was on secret mission to supply India another S-400.
If we are going to such much on propaganda, go full.
Do you even realize such numbers loses will generate how much wreckage?
Do you know during Balakot, we owned our loses next day?
So, why so much itch now.

 

[Selvam91]

Many here are saying aircraft loss is not a big deal.That's absurd notion. A single Rafale Jet cost is 270 million USD I.e around Rs.2300 crores .It's costlier than F35. Even 2300 Pakistani military casualties will not suffice this let alone terrorists. Indian government should take blame for stopping this operation before completely destroying Pakistani airforce.

 

[dr.defence]

Why so much discussion that we lost some aircraft it's happen in war. Big thing no pilot life lost and we won.

Pakistan always find win in loss but we find loss in win. Than why we talking about taking pok.

Sir ,no one here is upset from losses we all know, and appreciate the fact that assets of both sides are lost in war .
But we are angry about giving pakistan a upper edge, In propaganda and damaging the narrative that India won the war one sidedly ,because Pakistanis were not able to prove anything and even their proofs made them appear more unreliable (like the all over social media remark).

So we all are just saying that even If there are losses than just keep quiet (basically SHUT UPP) and don't announce it out and loud in media. Otherwise also tell the number of Pakistan 's jet downed in air and ground both.
Hope you understand .thank you

 

[shade2]

That's one hell of a way to discourage even more talent from working for us in addition to the disappointing salary. As someone suggested earlier, @Sanglamorre , I believe, India must consider honey trapping it's own scientists and engineers to perform counter intelligence. Would be way more effective as counter intelligence and to root out moles.

Angel Priya happens to be some Red Team department operative of R&AW
Upon engaging in treachery, you will be picked up by masked men and given a full body massage

The next time Deshi Doodh ka jala Rawalpindi ki Chaas bhi peeyega hi nahi

 

[Noob_Saibot]

I am not as well read in these matters but i don't think you can use Rafales with hammer bombas at standoff distance, those are only for scalp/brahmos type cruise missiles

Places like ((( Bahawalpur ))) are too deep so our jets may have crossed over to deliver their payloads

Thanks mate..
Would be good to know if it was their AD that tagged us or their fighters.

In any case , if it was their jets, why didn't we have escorts with a2a payloads for our ground attack configured fighters?

 

[crazywithmath]

Many here are saying aircraft loss is not a big deal.That's absurd notion. A single Rafale Jet cost is 270 million USD I.e around Rs.2300 crores .It's costlier than F35. Even 2300 Pakistani military casualties will not suffice this let alone terrorists. Indian government should take blame for stopping this operation before completely destroying Pakistani airforce.

Jets are for fighting wars only. Be happy that they got to use it; unlike the hangar Queens of the paf that got 72'ed inside their sheds.

If Ji feels like it, we can easily strike a deal and purchase 80 Rafales to make up for our aging fleet. Will not be an issue at all.

Beancounting after a war is for beggars like paxtan.

 

[shade2]

Many here are saying aircraft loss is not a big deal.That's absurd notion. A single Rafale Jet cost is 270 million USD I.e around Rs.2300 crores .It's costlier than F35. Even 2300 Pakistani military casualties will not suffice this let alone terrorists. Indian government should take blame for stopping this operation before completely destroying Pakistani airforce.

People laughing here but in 3 years this tol-mol rudali will be the standard even on this forum
Like how crows and trees and no F16 shot down became may years after Balakot.

Pakis may be the living epitome of "Gaand fati to fate par nawabi na ghate" but Endians will always find excuses to nitpick and hair split even over victories.

 

[redpanda]

I have a vague memory of Smriti Irani being I&B minister and saying that we will upgrade DD to be a "global" news website/channel etc like BBC or Al-Jizzeera or TRT world whatever

Nothing has happened

Looks like they have outsourced things to wion.

Tbh they have tried improving DD but it has its own limit. I don't think DD will ever grow big without massive investment and structural changes. Even then DD has passed the golden window when it used to be the only reliable source of information for even NRIs about India..

 

[shade2]

Jets are for fighting wars only. Be happy that they got to use it; unlike the hangar Queens of the pakroaches that got hit inside their sheds.

If Ji feels like it, we can easily strike a deal and purchase 80 Rafales to make up for our aging fleet. Will not be an issue at all.

Beancounting after a war is for beggars like paxtan.

The Congi piddis must only have stones thrown at them, they are undeserving of a proper reply.

 

[maximus777]

Sir ,no one here 8s upset from losses we all know and appreciate the fact that assets of both sides are lost in war .
But we are angry about giving pakistan a upper edge I propaganda and damaging the narrative that India won the war one sidedly ,because Pakistanis were not able to prove anything and even their proofs made them appear more unreliable (like the all over social media remark.

So we all are just saying that even I there are losses than just keep quiet (SHUT UPP) and don't announce it out and loud in media. Otherwise also tell the number of Pakistan 's jet downed in air and ground both.
Hope you understand .thank you

Exactly! There is no need to for the monkey balancing from the CDS about losses during ops. All sane minds understand that. But you are dealing with Paki level delusional psycho opponent. So zip it on your losses and the Paki losses are there for everyone to see. I dont get the need to wash this dirty laundry about missteps (or poor strategy) initially, learnings/feedback, come backs lauda lassun stories. Bhaji pao sucks at media management!!

 

[LastMythin]

Angel Priya happens to be some Red Team department operative of R&AW
Upon engaging in treachery, you will be picked up by masked men and given a full body massage

The next time Deshi Doodh ka jala Rawalpindi ki Chaas bhi peeyega hi nahi

I think the engineers who fall for the bait should be given another chance and actual romantic help.
Maybe a long date night with Mr. Big Dick buster will help them out?

 

[Selvam91]

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Rules of engagement is one factor, another thing is both AIM-120,Pl 15 E outranged our air to air missiles.

 

[Selvam91]

The problem is that this subject isn't spoken at the time of orientation. Everyone working in sensitive areas must be told that if a girl is interested in you on social media, it's not because you are suddenly more attractive than what the mirror suggests.

lol they r not even girls.They are simply fake ids.Still Idiots r falling for this

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Rules of engagement is one factor, another thing is both AIM-120,Pl 15 E outranged our air to air missiles.

That is a massive cause for concern if true.

BVR is the name of the game in modern warfare and if bhikhari c***s like Paki can outrange us, its a pretty big issue.