Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Drwho]

CDS interview with Bloomberg could have been avoided.

What India should do next is confidently put out its battle losses, lay out its claims on what PAF asset losses it inflicted (take your pick: Junkfighters, Erieye(s), C130H, F-16s in the hangar, Mirage V, etc.), and dismiss the cause as attacker's disadvantage. Even in pure monetary terms, IAF inflicted more air asset losses on the paki side than they inflicted ours.

And these are just air assets, doesn't include the assets we destroyed as part of SEAD/DEAD.

Every one is blowing his own trumpet in india. India has profoundly lost the media war.
Government for its election benefits have been worsening the matter at world stage. It’s better to come out with a statement detailed in every manner if it was a close combat. Or just stay quiet if india didn’t have an upper hand in combat.

So by remaining quite they are only accepting Pakistan narrative. Which people have started to think actually might be true.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Export Variant Sirjee worry not

I’m quite sure that India will be able to determine whether the missile truly has a range of 145 km or not.

 

[Prasad]

we seriously need to train our senior officers in media management.

And we should also avoid media like BBC and Bloomberg.
Just makes no sense to give interviews to these India hating media.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Stop focusing on what the CDS said—it’s been discussed to death. Let’s shift the conversation to the technical aspects of this war. This thread is not meant for political slugfests. Only those militaries and nations improve that critically examine the technical strengths and weaknesses of their forces. If we reduce the discussion to who said what, it becomes meaningless.

 

[tarunraju]

Every one is blowing his own trumpet in india. India has profoundly lost the media war.
Government for its election benefits have been worsening the matter at world stage. It’s better to come out with a statement detailed in every manner if it was a close combat. Or just stay quiet if india didn’t have an upper hand in combat.

So by remaining quite they are only accepting Pakistan narrative. Which people have started to think actually might be true.

I agree. If we indeed lost a Rafale, the primary reason IAF didn't put out its combat losses would be ensuring BJP not getting slaughtered by opposition for losing Rafales to inferior paki/chicom jets. It would be even worse if the killshot came from a do-qoudi JF-17 Block 3 + PL-15E.

In the May 7 dogfight, the aircraft that launched the PL-15E that downed a Rafale would've been heavily targeted by IAF, using multiple Meteor launches. Pakis didn't lose any J-10CE (no claims to this effect from the Indian side either); so it's very likely that the Rafale killshot was from a JF-17 Block 3.

Imagine how big a political weapon this would be for RoGa ahead of Bihar elections.

Chicoms are happy to get PAF to claim that the killshot came from a J-10CE because they're looking to export this plane at the same scale as F-16 and MiG-29.

 

[Drwho]

I agree. If we indeed lost a Rafale, the primary reason IAF didn't put out its combat losses would be ensuring BJP not getting slaughtered by opposition for losing Rafales to inferior paki/chicom jets. It would be even worse if the killshot came from a do-qoudi JF-17 Block 3 + PL-15E.

In the May 7 dogfight, the aircraft that launched the PL-15E that downed a Rafale would've been heavily targeted by IAF, using multiple Meteor launches. Pakis didn't lose any J-10CE (no claims to this effect from the Indian side either); so it's very likely that the Rafale killshot was from a JF-17 Block 3.

Imagine how big a political weapon this would be for RoGa ahead of Bihar elections.

Chicoms are happy to get PAF to claim that the killshot came from a J-10CE because they're looking to export this plane at the same scale as F-16 and MiG-29.

Not just j10 but india haven’t claimed any kills. Except for might or might not be bombed resting aircrafts in hanger.
This will be a big blot on airforce since we claim to be prepared for china. Sometime even after you win or draw an extremely close game to a weaker opposition it’s taken as a loss . It’s like india losses 9 wickets chasing 76 runs against a draw with Namibia in cricket world up.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Not just j10 but india haven’t claimed any kills. Except for might or might not be bombed resting aircrafts in hanger.
This will be a big blot on airforce since we claim to be prepared for china. Sometime even after you win or draw an extremely close game to a weaker opposition it’s taken as a loss . It’s like india losses 9 wickets chasing 76 runs against a draw with Namibia in cricket world up.

The Indian military and government’s silence on operational details strongly suggests that the operation is still ongoing. If it had concluded, they would likely have acknowledged it and disclosed information about Pakistani losses

 

[Ajatshatru]

I have updated my picture Shahbaz (Jacobabad) airbase

 

[Ajatshatru]

If someone wants to use Sukkur Airbase satellite image as profile picture here it is

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

You think IT Cell Circle Jerk like Sanjay Dixit counts as proof.

Tom Cooper at least has some respect and credibility

Quoting Sanjay Dixit is like LW quoting Subramanian Swamy and Rahul

You think I will count you as proof?

You want me to count that Bloomberg TV whose CEO family is invested in China and it's stock market as a reliable source.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bloombergs-business-in-china-has-grown-that-could-create-unprecedented-entanglements-if-he-is-elected-president/2020/01/01/71536318-1cfd-11ea-9ddd-3e0321c180e7_story.html

If you are so much hell bent on making sure INDIAN FIGHTER JETS WERE LOST tell your BURGERISTAN, PAIKHANASTAN, CHOWMEINS and TURKEY to provide their proof.

Atleast, in Balakot incident IAF provided proof, where are their proof?
That Bathinda, which sure can be a drone.

And why INDIA should always provide proof? Where are genuine proofs from above mentioned nations.

PEHLE UNKA PROOF LAO AB and don't be like that defense minister "it's all over social media."

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

The Bloomberg China network

Michael Bloomberg’s China baggage is too heavy for the White House

spotlight.licas.news

Oi, @Sickle_Cut ye bhi pad le.
And to you, show me the proof of Indian fighter jets downed pictures precisely.

You sure have that.

 

[chnvipgz]

View: https://x.com/suhasinih/status/1928753344727699596?t=ChAsqoqv0qOEf0Gj5-dLWA&s=19

 

[Nibbler]

View: https://x.com/suhasinih/status/1928753344727699596?t=ChAsqoqv0qOEf0Gj5-dLWA&s=19

The numbers weren't important*

They are now. We need to know

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

The numbers weren't important*

They are now. We need to know

Find it yourself, ask Hindu and MOU party to lead the charge
.
Because pictures they are saying of Indian crashed planes are already debunked here of old crashes.

Their desperation reached so highy that any random fire is attributed to crashed plane and S-400 wreakage.

 

[Tumba]

The Indian military and government’s silence on operational details strongly suggests that the operation is still ongoing. If it had concluded, they would likely have acknowledged it and disclosed information about Pakistani losses

CDS has fumbled up on foreign soil with foreign media.

Either that guy didn’t get the memo or despite getting the memo didn’t prep for the response.

What was the tactical mistake by IAF whatever it was there is no fckin way a CDS sitting on a hotel lobby in Singapore? to obviously biased western media fumbling up like this.

Who decided the ROE for IAF? Certainly not political leaders.

Then who decided to go close to border and start dropping SOW with lesser ranges not expecting pakis start firing their BVRs on DMAX?
There was already engagement on Feb 2019 where pakis fired 5 Aim120C from 100 kms away on Sukhois, this should be clear to even retard pakis will start DMAXing PL-15E with range of 150 kms, still this stupidity.

Any of fanboys could have gamed the IAF order of battle.

Throw a brahmos first

Send Air superiority fighters with full load of long range BVRs behind target drones which pakis would start spending BVRs this would mean good chunk of thr fighters will go cold.

At this point Meteors and Astras, S400 should start Flying on any Hot or Cold PAF(I understand pakis were taking some shielding from thr civilian jets here, but we could have found out the clusters of paf jets anyway)

Now when this BVR engagement start going cold start hitting paki terror bases with Scalp and and conduct some SEAD where we got the data for any long range firing

Now I am 100% sure GOI would not have been involved in military planning, this tactical mistake could be was not firing any fckin shots on paf here, which means IAF was stupid enough not to get any lesson from Feb 2019 when paf were DMAXing thr 100 km BVRs.

…..

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

So further on the matter of our own platform "losses" - I've seen an interesting argument, particularly from a couple veterans. What they're basically saying is that some IAF fighters took hits, and may have even temporarily become unavailable, but were patched up and put back in action. So the fighters may have been temporarily "down/lost" but there were no permanent losses. This is an interesting point, and great if true. Though again, communication aspect has been fumbled by top leadership.

Additionally, Rafale(s) may have been among the fighters which took some damage, because one of the vets (ex IN fighter pilot from a different forum) was saying for a while during this conflict that the Hammers on the Rafale were way too close range and required Rafales to go in closer which possibly got them into some trouble (before being "bailed out" by SU-30's). According to him, because France hasn't given the necessary information to integrate Indian weapons on the Rafales, and SCALP's are obviously way too expensive to be used on all targets - Hammer range caused this issue, and the way the Rafales were deployed after that for the rest of the conflict was altered (only used for its BVR's after that is what I believe he said).

 

[AbRaj]

Also "rafales didn't have to be endangered" is a retarded line of thought.

There was a buildup post pahalgam. The only reason for loss is that the first strike was done without SEAD.

Exactly. It was a mistake of planning and decision to go in without SEAD/DEAD, After informing enemy and assuming that enemy will respect peacetime ROEs of not shooting across the border.
Problem is IAF decision process is lagging behind that of PAF.
Just imagine if we have not had capable standoff missiles, we would have been looking at some random JEM buildings blown in pak side and few jets downed on our side, without any enemy aircraft losses.

 

[RocketMan]

Taking a harsh stance is unhinged for you now ?

Is the delusional Porki scared after your jerking off ?

Indians have the same habit of pre-mature celebration and chest thumping

Abusing detractors and going gaga with handful achievements.

Whatever IAF did in Sindoor was commendable and hats off to them.
( Akash , IACCSS , everyone )

That doesn't absolve the Military of their shortcomings

Nor does it absolve Gobi G and Nina Turtle of their appalling disregard for defense

You might get butthurt by my harsh tone ( even accuse me of using enemy type language )

Get a new butt soon ( because as long as India doesn't solves its colossal problems, criticism is due )

All pilots are safe & we hit everywhere in al-Bakistan at will. Op Sindoor is a success. However we should revise our RoE to target Pak musallah afwaz on the first day via SEAD & Navy action if they try any misadventure( which they will) . Maulana Modi needs to go full jihad mode on Paki a$$ .

 

[indrajit]

Everybody can be an armchair general sitting comfortably at home and criticize. I have never seen
Any other country behave this way with their heros.
This is really a disgusting sight that has been going on for weeks. Why does the media allow this garbage to continue??

Forget the media out there, you are a Mod here. A member has been calling the Indian military/ India retarded and morons and he continues to do it unfettered. A good place to start - a return to basic decency, maybe

 

[silentassassin265]

People here don't seems to remember the great debacle on destruction of pns gazi.
We had opportunity to claim first submarine kill in indian ocean, but our general admitted that pns gazi faced an accident and wasn't destroyed.