Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[randombully]

Pakistanis have been winning "narrative wars" since 1947 and ended up getting their country balkanized and their asses handed down to them everytime. Did we Indians lose trust in our armed forces at any time? Not really.

Narration war wasn't lost when Shiv Aroor, Aditya Raj Kaul went on to tweet claiming three Indian jets downed. Not when DGAO hinted at losses. But suddenly everyone is baying for CDS blood for admitting something honestly.

We have given our narration of the war to the citizens and to the international community and we know where do we stand in context to Pakistan in combat.

Did social media exist in past? What narrative war did we lost in past?

This time the scale is small because its not full blown war, see the narrative against israel, and it had real life effects, albit israel still didn't budge majorly, but israeli actions had to face real life restrictions.

Biden warns Netanyahu against major Rafah offensive as divide between the 2 leaders grows

The call between Biden and Netanyahu came as Israel appeared to be moving closer to a major military operation to root out Hamas militants in Rafah.

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For example this. Democrats wouldn't give a shit about Palestine if not for the massive protests and online narrative war.
It was good for israel that trump came into power and supports them.


Second thing is, have you heard about protest against Vietnam war in US, that forced US to retreat from Vietnam?


You can see the current US and the social and political unrest in it to see how much narrative can affect a country, especially when a country is not authoritarian like China with fully controlled internet.


Second as I said before, a ground + narrative defeat with discourage pakistan from future aggressions, as they wouldn't wanna show weakness to pak awaam hence putting their control over pakistan in danger, pak military cares most about it's control over pakistan, if they can lie and convince their awwam they won it means, it will further bolsten these pigs.

 

[Waanar]

The problem with Pakistani PR and propaganda is Indians during Kargil, 1971, 1965 or 1948 didn't have have to deal with it directly.
They had their newspapers, India had it's own and the world has theirs.
Most Indians are still normal human beings who think Pakistanis have to be somewhat normal.
So when faced with blatant lies and stupid combacks like "We lost entire airbases but you lost a plane so we're better", they don't know how to respond.

I still remember a Pakistani posted a picture of two dead SSG cunts and said "Dead Para SF dogs". This was my first ever argument with any Pakistani on twitter (I still don't usually engage with them because they're beneath me) and I was so confused so I just said "ye dono m******** s***e r**di ke b***e kaise mare aur kaha?" so he of course started abusing Hindu gods.

This guy KNEW they were dead pakistani soldiers and still posted those pictures with that caption to jerk off to his own delusions.

Unfortunately, the general western population has no idea the kind of pathological liars Pakistanis really are and so they weigh our and their words equally and of course, Pakistanis push the narrative so far in their direction as opposed to our truth aligned moderated responses that some start believing them wholeheartedly.

It's pretty funny if you look at it objectively.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Maybe I was being too harsh on babus seeing how the military seems afflicted with the same ills as they are.

Like how we often complain gains on battlefield were lost on negotiation table, gains in narrative were lost in an interview.

What's the point of asking one's populace of being information warfare savvy, be wary of biased sources when the leadership will demoralise them like this and go speak to the same dubious sources.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Then it is a planned move by the GOI and not some random mistaken statement. Wait and watch what happens next. This makes it a lot better.

All I see is a man who gave ammunition to the adversary, whose propaganda is state backed , against us whose people have fought against enemy propaganda, without almost any care from government.

 

[ezsasa]

They do have the potential to change ground realities much more than you think.

“we won on ground, who cares about the narrative?”
To answer this everyone should care.

If you won on ground but lost narrative you risk erosion of public trust in the armed forces, misplaced anger, social instability, poticial loss for ruling party.

Basically bad narratives are a great seed for unrest and turmoil which the enemies would be even more happy to amplify.

Second, defeat is also psychological, Pakistani military's beleif that they lost militarly but won "narrative" will embolden them, pak military cares much more about showing itself as strong than it cares about damage sustained on ground.
If this ground win, could be supported by narrative win, it would weaken pak military from future aggression, as they wouldn't wanna be humiliated in front of their awam again and give more ammo to dissents within pakistan further weakning their rule over pakistan, but right now they can lie and show their awaam they won, this will further give them more confidence for future aggression as they will beleive they can still lie and show themselves as strong in future too.
Pakistan continues to be aggressive even after losing 4 wars, ground realities alone ain't gonna take that nature away.

Narrative is a very important tool, that's the reason pak and especially china is investing heavily in narrative war.

Ignoring narrative and it's influence, and focusing only on ground realities Is stupid.
Especially when we are a democracy.

wars are not fought just between militaries, they are fought by nations as a whole.

why should India bother too much about educating pakis, pakjabi army winning their narrative wars within their territory has been good for India. as long as pakjabi army is in control, their economy and political system will never mature. running a functioning state needs a lot of patience and persistence, which pakjabi army is not capable of. a dysfunctional pakiland is better for us than a functional pakiland.

last attempt was aman ki tamasha, which was a spectacular failure . as soon as the tamasha was over, all "liberal" pakis involved ended up at square one on their hindu hatred with in a few years.

as far as narrative wars go, getting Indian citizens to buy into India story itself would be a big win.

 

[Yuyutsu]

Brain in the rectum community.

All these mallu traitors living in other states should be kicked out, somehow they don't get enough hatred.


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kerala and bengal are more dangerous than kashmir , even bengal is better with these brainless kachha baniyans bangladeshis but kerala is way more dangerous with total support from ME and european missionaries.

 

[AbRaj]

We lost a plane or two, they lost literal airbases and any sense of sovereignty and security.

They chest thumped their way to PR victory while the real victory is up for anyone who has any sort of knowledge of the military to see.

Now, accept we lost the PR push, absolutely unquestionably annihilated our designated targets and move on.
The CDS gave a SSB selected gentleman's answer of "We learnt from our mistakes" to someone who only wanted to hear the word "mistakes".

You are NEVER winning the PR war with the current level of lack of knowledge of PR building that we have.

Take pride solemnly in that we are well beyond what Pakistan can defend against in a full scale war and stop moaning.

CDS talked to that lady like he was discussing a wargame with a sportsman-esque fellow soldier and I guess ended up learning even more from his mistakes.

Doesn't change anything on the ground. We targeted their airbases with impunity and in a full scale war, will easily destroy all of their war capability (which we should've done anyways, at least to their planes) but that's fine. Next time will be no different.

They don’t have sovereignty or security to begin with. So they lost nothing and its a triumphant victory for them as they downed IAF jets without taking any visible arial hit and and the cost of few worthless jihadi lives which are expandables by design. So its a thumping win for them.

 

[randombully]

wars are not fought just between militaries, they are fought by nations as a whole.

why should India bother too much about educating pakis, pakjabi army winning their narrative wars within their territory has been good for India. as long as pakjabi army is in control, their economy and political system will never mature. running a functioning state needs a lot of patience and persistence, which pakjabi army is not capable of. a dysfunctional pakiland is better for us than a functional pakiland.

last attempt was aman ki tamasha, which was a spectacular failure . as soon as the tamasha was over, all "liberal" pakis involved ended up at square one on their hindu hatred with in a few years.

as far as narrative wars go, getting Indian citizens to buy into India story itself would be a big win.

"as far as narrative wars go, getting Indian citizens to buy into India story itself would be a big win."

That's a major problem.
And it's not about today's narrative loss, it the lack of knowledge about effects narrative can cause in case of a future full scale war.
And ignorance towards social media narrative by our gov.



The 0.5 front would love amplify enemy narrative.

To give you an example, one of the biggest weakness of US when China invades Taiwan will not be military weakness , it's will be Its own population, and the narrative China will peddle to demoralize the American population and make them opposed to US intervention.
Similar to how protests were a major factor in forcing US to retreat from Vietnam war.

China has been quietly investing massive sums in creating a narrative network It can peddle in western world.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

so people have been shouting at our military that they did not go to CNN or reuters like the Pigs and their DGISPR did during the Ops... Now When they do that they still shout hoarse!

Bhai sahab, we wanted the military to go .
But not give an interview like this !
Leave jets for a minute, the CDS in his interview, absurdily stated that, pakis are rational?
That a nuclear terror narco state with a jihadi ( iman taqwa jihad fi sabillah fame wale ) military is a rational entity?
Is it not wonderful ?

 

[randombully]

so people have been shouting at our military that they did not go to CNN or reuters like the Pigs and their DGISPR did during the Ops... Now When they do that they still shout hoarse!

Pigs paid these news agency's to spread their "lies" through articles
Their military leadership didn't give interviews to these agencies saying we lost 2 awacs, 1 c130, multiple jets in air, and many on ground, along with attacks on runways, biuldings, underground sites and radar sites.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

If someone wants to use Sukkur Airbase satellite image as profile picture here it is
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Ah these images, why not the building adject to the hanger were targeted?
That's too something' we need to rectify, next time don't strike isolated hangers, try to inflict maximum casualties .
And use ground based assets for god sake., now everything and every weapon is permissible in war except may be a nuke.

 

[Waanar]

They don’t have sovereignty or security to begin with. So they lost nothing and its a triumphant victory for them as they downed IAF jets without taking any visible arial hit and and the cost of few worthless jihadi lives which are expandables by design. So its a thumping win for them.

You'll be shocked what a resounding victory Pakistanis will have in a full scale war then.

You'll win the war once, the Pakistanis will win the war a thousand times over before it is done.


Making fun of them is fine and all but never end up believing what you're saying in the above reply because that is what Pakistanis count on.

They want you to believe that they have nothing to lose and you have everything to lose. This is what's kept them alive for so long.

Any loss is an unfortunate one but steel your mind to it or you'll find yourself protesting against the war in no time.

 

[haldilal]

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[ezsasa]

"as far as narrative wars go, getting Indian citizens to buy into India story itself would be a big win."

That's a major problem.
And it's not about today's narrative loss, it the lack of knowledge about effects narrative can cause in case of a future full scale war.
And ignorance towards social media narrative by our gov.



The 0.5 front would love amplify enemy narrative.

To give you an example, one of the biggest weakness of US when China invades Taiwan will not be military weakness , it's will be Its own population, and the narrative China will peddle to demoralize the American population and make them opposed to US intervention.
Similar to how protests were a major factor in forcing US to retreat from Vietnam war.

China has been quietly investing massive sums in creating a narrative network It can peddle in western world.

yes, this is known.

logical next step would be to educate our own people on nuances of complexities of our own realities which means both good and bad information, make sure as much accurate information is available. whether one consumes it or not, is an individual choice.

 

[Sanglamorre]

The more...wizened members are forgetting one very important thing. The war at large won't be fought by 40-50+ year olds. It will be by the 19+ guy who was scrolling tiktok and playing freefire a few months ago.

The previous generation seems to think the internet is something you log into, do your thing, and log off while the born-into generations are living in a state where you log off from the information network occasionally.

You are not even going to get an energetic fighting force if you lose narratives over internet. Who is going to fight for you if they're bombarded with propaganda that the CDS thinks civilians being executed is rational (you know how exactly his statement is being presented), Pakistanis are rational and good? When they see something being demonised but the leadership within a week go and engage with them?

 

[Numero]

They do it because a few billion dollars are worth propping up Porkies to needle India and potentially sell weapons to us, if we are foolish enough to buy from them.

I love this. No Hindu should visit Kashmir and the tourism industry should be wrecked and the local jehadi population beg for money.


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If we want to grow the influence of Hindus in Kashmir then we should increase tourism to push the demographic change.
Hindus are so sensitive.
What are we gonna achieve through boycott?

 

[ezsasa]

Who is going to fight for you if they're bombarded with propaganda that the CDS thinks civilians being executed is rational (you know how exactly his statement is being presented), Pakistanis are rational and good? When they see something being demonised but the leadership within a week go and engage with them?

if someone comes to you, and shares the above mentioned opinion to you. what would your response be?

 

[Master of Indus]

Now that massive sissy RR has calmed down, I would ask everyone to watch all the interview of the CDS AGAIN, he has not said anything explosive or which wasn't already public, that everyone should cry fowl as if a pakistani has pickpocketed you in broad day light!

 

[Waanar]

If we want to grow the influence of Hindus in Kashmir then we should increase tourism to push the demographic change.
Hindus are so sensitive.
What are we gonna achieve through boycott?

Demography won't change in Kashmir by tourism. The PRC requires somewhere around 7 years of residence and the domicile 15.
Tourists go, spend an assload of money and come back.

Behind every terrorist are approx 15-20 OGWs giving them food, water, medicines, hiding gun parts for them, helping them find buried caches etc.

Boycotts discourage the OGWs because when businesses get hurt, the society has two options- double down or back off.

Kashmiris don't have the balls to double down.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

The more...wizened members are forgetting one very important thing. The war at large won't be fought by 40-50+ year olds. It will be by the 19+ guy who was scrolling tiktok and playing freefire a few months ago.

The previous generation seems to think the internet is something you log into, do your thing, and log off while the born-into generations are living in a state where you log off from the information network occasionally.

You are not even going to get an energetic fighting force if you lose narratives over internet. Who is going to fight for you if they're bombarded with propaganda that the CDS thinks civilians being executed is rational (you know how exactly his statement is being presented), Pakistanis are rational and good? When they see something being demonised but the leadership within a week go and engage with them?

No no, the bigger issue than " tactical mistakes " was claiming pakis are rational.
Whole bloody premise of us hammering them is that they are a rogue nuclear terror narco state , with an unprofessional army at helm which believes in jihad and sanctions it against us .
Pakis launched a ballistic missile at Delhi .
Pakis are such cretins, that the warhead might very well have been a nuclear warhead , their thoughts being , if they just drop one nuke , india will not retaliate.
They have a first use nuke policy , they launched a nuclear capable ballistic missile at our capital, yet pakis are rational.
This statement is ofcourse not equal to maunis blunder at sharm el Sheik , is in that category nontheless.