Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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I don't understand why people start moaning and bitching when IAF says we lost an aircraft.

Do you want them to lie to you?
Do you think losses are unacceptable?

Oh no, we lost a plane. Holy shit. Never in the history of ever has there been a war where people have lost planes.

You absolutely skull fuck a 90 million dollar Erieye (triple the cost of JF17s) and multiple unknown aircraft with AIRBASES being destroyed and the whining. Oh god, the whining.
The general said we lost an aircraft. Oh no.
Guess none of you paid any attention when the IAF chief said there will naturally be losses in war. What did you think? The chief was talking about his candy crush account getting hacked?

The interview was a mistake in a completely different way than you guys think. There's no shock to me that we have lost a plane or two.

You guys are here acting like it's a trading card game and "oh no, my shiny Charizard got defeated by a Ratata'.

FFS.
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No one is asking the real question-

How does that change the big picture?
It doesn't.
Okay?
Cool.

Lord Waanar is going to chew banana now and watch the screeching continue regardless.
 
Taking out a runway should always be followed by taking out air assets at that particular air base. Otherwise what is the fucking point of wasting a missile to bomb a run way? Runway can be repaired. Air assets cannot be replaced. All the fighter jets which were sitting ducks should have been taken out once the run way was out of action.
The point of "wasting" a fucking missile on a runway is that it renders the whole air force station inoperable. No jets can take off or land. Targeting an air force station and rendering them inoperable, in any case, is a far more escalatory move than shooting down of any single aircraft. What's the use of priding one's self on the F-16s, J-10s, JF-17s if they cannot get airborne and engage? Not only does that translate into a crippled retaliation attempt by the Pakis, if hostilities were to continue on to May 11th, the IAF would have a huge air superiority advantage. You thought that bombing the 11 air force stations in broad daylight was bad? Bam! Try fifty more missiles the next day and this time the sitting ducks within the hangars get obliterated. This would 100% have happened if ceasefire wasn't agreed upon on May 10th as it is the next step on the escalation order

Let me slap a logic to morons in GOI. Paki scum send terrorists to our country with nuclear umbrella. Otherwise they wouldn't dare to do it. That is their logic. Now here is my fucking logic. Build a capable cheap drone and mass produce it in numbers like 10,000. And send them over to target their military assets ever now and then. The drone should have a pin point accuracy with reasonable big war head. Pakis should be in a dilemma. Any interception with SAM or A2A missile is a missile wasted as the cost of both are greater than the drone you are trying to shoot down. Leave the drone then you lose a military asset it is trying to target.

Now will these fuckers go to war with us for sending a drone? Do they have the appetite for long drawn conflict?
This part, I definitely agree. It's a very good strategy. Only constraint here is the counter drone swarms coming in to our side of the border can and will disrupt the activites of border cities. The residents of Jammu, Jaisalmer, Amritsar, Bikaner (if I recall correctly?) were already sick of it within 3-4 days despite there being no drone strikes and the damages caused were mostly due to the debris. I have faith in DRDO and indigenous tech companies to develop systems against this and once that is in place, this should be the new normal. Till then, like you said occassional drone swarms should be sent in.
 
Let me slap a logic to morons in GOI. Paki scum send terrorists to our country with nuclear umbrella. Otherwise they wouldn't dare to do it. That is their logic. Now here is my fucking logic. Build a capable cheap drone and mass produce it in numbers like 10,000. And send them over to target their military assets ever now and then. The drone should have a pin point accuracy with reasonable big war head. Pakis should be in a dilemma. Any interception with SAM or A2A missile is a missile wasted as the cost of both are greater than the drone you are trying to shoot down. Leave the drone then you lose a military asset it is trying to target.

Now will these fuckers go to war with us for sending a drone? Do they have the appetite for long drawn conflict?
You've unwittingly stumbled upon GoI's response for another terrorist outrage not big enough like Pahalgam or Pulwama.

I suspect that's one reason Operation Sindoor hasn't been called off. We target their sites , they try to counter , given the operation is alive , all our assets will be primed to take them down.

However this state of being forward deployed & in a constant state of readiness takes a heavy toll over their manpower machinery & resources especially so given their state of the economy.

Then of course when you forward deploy a very large chunk of your forces & assets on your western borders you leave the rest of the country vulnerable especially if they're already in some amount of stress given the fraught internal security situation there.

That's the hidden cost of continuing Operation Sindoor.
 
Taking out a runway should always be followed by taking out air assets at that particular air base. Otherwise what is the fucking point of wasting a missile to bomb a run way? Runway can be repaired. Air assets cannot be replaced. All the fighter jets which were sitting ducks should have been taken out once the run way was out of action.

Let me slap a logic to morons in GOI. Paki scum send terrorists to our country with nuclear umbrella. Otherwise they wouldn't dare to do it. That is their logic. Now here is my fucking logic. Build a capable cheap drone and mass produce it in numbers like 10,000. And send them over to target their military assets ever now and then. The drone should have a pin point accuracy with reasonable big war head. Pakis should be in a dilemma. Any interception with SAM or A2A missile is a missile wasted as the cost of both are greater than the drone you are trying to shoot down. Leave the drone then you lose a military asset it is trying to target.

Now will these fuckers go to war with us for sending a drone? Do they have the appetite for long drawn conflict?
Don't worry, centuries of brainwashing won't go away overnight. Pakis will send terrorists again.
Drone development isn't a bad idea but it's not like we need to goad them into a war. They'll do it again. 100% guaranteed and you can do whatever you want to me if they don't (if you have some pashtun tendencies).
 
I don't understand why people start moaning and bitching when IAF says we lost an aircraft.

Do you want them to lie to you?
Do you think losses are unacceptable?

Oh no, we lost a plane. Holy shit. Never in the history of ever has there been a war where people have lost planes.

You absolutely skull fuck a 90 million dollar Erieye (triple the cost of JF17s) and multiple unknown aircraft with AIRBASES being destroyed and the whining. Oh god, the whining.
The general said we lost an aircraft. Oh no.
Guess none of you paid any attention when the IAF chief said there will naturally be losses in war. What did you think? The chief was talking about his candy crush account getting hacked?

The interview was a mistake in a completely different way than you guys think. There's no shock to me that we have lost a plane or two.

You guys are here acting like it's a trading card game and "oh no, my shiny Charizard got defeated by a Ratata'.

FFS.
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No one is asking the real question-

How does that change the big picture?
It doesn't.
Okay?
Cool.

Lord Waanar is going to chew banana now and watch the screeching continue regardless.
India never said we shot down their planes or the specific awac. Neither did Pakistan confirm it.
India never said we shot down their f16 and jf17 specifically with details. Pakistan didn’t either .

Only thing we know is that: cds and other chiefs accepted loss of hardware to Pakistani inferior airforce.

When we claim to be prepared for china. We had a rough time handling a poor and unstable nation like porkistan.

So the problem is now we have a narrative in world that iaf losses were confirmed and Paki weren’t . So they have an upper hand . Nobody cares about what jingoistic people think in india. Bjp keep them in their pocket and delude them as they please. I think what matters is pride of nation lost at world stage. This will impact at many levels.

Specially an enemy like china have a very obvious big adavantage in this game. Specially during diplomatic negotiations.

Also remember this WA’s last time Pakistan WA’s so weak. Unstable govt , unstable economy unstable foreign affair , division in public and lack of trust in people toward establishment. Now they will have better diplomatic relationship and will have fifth gen fighter. While we have a parcha of postponed hardware by Hal. Next skirmish might not be so easy.
 
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However I'm holding on to the fond hope that in case Munira still hasn't rid himself of his brown salwars & camouflage courtesy traumatic memories of being trapped inside a bunker while Indian missiles & planes flying overhead were wrecking havoc over Paxtan & may not provide us with the excuse we need to initiate the second phase of Operation Sindoor , GoI will go against type & initiate the same .

Munira's underlings, especially the PAF ones must be seething and maybe the army also even if he himself is shameless
This is aside from their various pet jihadis also seething.


In next fight, Navy to fire first salvo, Rajnath warns Pakistan​


I guess it's why even Nindaji is showing his fangs and growling apart from his master roaring in every speech.

Govt has no interest in wrestling with pigs in muck again, but they are willing to roast the pig on a spit if the need arises
 
Banned for 1 month. You aren't a Paki but most definitely a Domestic Paki.

Haven't seen a more retardedly obsessed poster than you about downed jets.

What if we lost a few jets? We literally hit 11 Air bases and exposed their Air defense systems but some retards who grew up on video games want everything to happen with zero losses on our side.

It took 20 pages of FUD being spread by this Leftover Pakistani to get banned

Afterall being a Paki is not the matter of geographic location or IP but of 🤲 mazhub 🤲

On the flip side, members were sharpening their swords over these 20 pages of e-Lynching of this paki :truestory:
In case they spot some Abdul Bajwa shitting via text on Twitter or Insta they can use this experience to e-lynch them too
 
This wasn't well thought out is what I'll say.
There's an immediate action drill and there's a wargame. General sahab did an immediate action drill for the war game.

Upon being asked questions, he resorted to his Army self and ended up saying the same thing that has been said multiple times before, not realising how the media will run that story.

You ask me, this Genrol is a political apointee, sort of like a uniformed JP Nadda, so I'm inclined to go with the theory that he is not equipped to deal with silver tongued media snakes and was led into this ambush by a collection of babooze.

Or he is repeating a script by his political bosses, the first theory is understandable, the second is very strange since the interview was/is a self-goal and will provide ammo for Congressis.
 
India never said we shot down their planes or the specific awac. Neither did Pakistan confirm it.
India never said we shot down their f16 and jf17 specifically with details. Pakistan didn’t either .

Only thing we know is that: cds and other chiefs accepted loss of hardware to Pakistani inferior airforce.

When we claim to be prepared for china. We had a rough time handling a poor and unstable nation like porkistan.

So the problem is now we have a narrative in world that iaf losses were confirmed and Paki weren’t . So they have an upper hand . Nobody cares about what jingoistic people think what matters is pride of nation loss at world stage. This will impact at many levels.

Specially an enemy like china have a very obvious big adavantage in this game. Specially during diplomatic negotiations.
Unlike Pakistanis who will claim everything under the sun as their valorant doing, our IAF doesn't do that.

IAF has an impeccable record of BDA and confirming losses and damage to the enemy.

They will not say something which will change that credibility unless it's some form of OpSec violation because IAF will forever lose that trust of the people.

Then you have the Pakistani ministers and military claiming we lost 6 aircraft, radars, men, and drones reaching Delhi without any BDA.

IAF will only confirm what it has undeniable proof of (like the strikes falling on Pakistani terrorists and their families or satellite imagery of destroyed airbases).

They will not go the asif route of "It's all over social media". That man got ridiculed so much for that.

We saw that video of their AWACS cooking and pakis confirmed it be fucked but IAF won't go off of twitter videos or Pakistani statements. They'll do their own BDA and only state what they have undeniable proof of.

When Pakistanis say "oh no we lost 2 aircraft", it's way higher and the only reason they're admitting to it is because those losses are, as their defense minister would say, "all over social media".

P.S- Airframes are surprisingly durable. If they claim they shot down a Paki plane playing the probability game and China repairs it for Pakistan (you can easily lose half a wing of a plane and still make it land in a recoverable state), it will be an egg on IAF's face.
 
Why are people crying over this though? That some pignats, porkistanis, kanglus, turkroaches and chinks would troll you? This isn't the first time it has happened. They aII literally celebrate "Hangor day" for sinking an Indian frigate in 1971 war where paksitan Navy Iost majority of it's surface fleet and a submarine as weII as the entirety of chittagong and karachi port which were left to burn for days.

They lose a thousand soldiers a year, every few days videos of them getting ambushed, vehicles blown up and checkposts raided are released by Baloch freedom fighters and taliban, yet they ignore it but celebrate once in a rarity attacks on Indian soldiers by paki terrorists as if some major victory.

Our primary objective on Day 1 was to strike 9 of their terrorist sites, they were neutralised even if we faced losses, pakistan air force's duty was to prevent that from happening, they failed to prevent the strikes. This led to destruction of Muridke and Bahawalpur HQ of jaish and lashkar in which masood azhar lost nearly a dozen of his family members and numerous other jihadis apart from the 7 launch pads struck in pakistan-occupied Kashmir with loitering munitions, multicopter strikes and artillery shells.

pakistanis fired hundreds of loitering munitions at us targeting our assets from Kashmir to Gujarat across the LoC and border, their drones were taken out on camera by our anti-aircraft gun batteries. They even fired at least one missile at Golden Temple which also got intercepted on camera. They fired shells at our civilians apart from continuous attempts to attack with their garbage makeshift loitering munitions.



On 8th May (Day 2) the Indian Air Force attacked numerous air defence sites in various pakistani cities, of which one struck an HQ9 C&C site in Lahore with Harpy kamikaze drone and it was captured on camera. This was a SEAD/DEAD strike on their radars and C2 posts. Others struck malir cantt and rawalpindi stadium. Then porkis throughout the day retaliated with their usual trash YIHA loitering munitions and rockets which continued to get intercepted on camera, apart from the shelling they did on our civilians and military posts with limited success.

Pakistan launched multiple missiles at India which were intercepted by S-400s mid air.

Indian Army struck multiple pakistani checkposts, on camera. Released videos next day of their strikes on their bunkers, arty sites, ISR surveillance equipment etc with Anti-tank guided missiles, mortars, heavy artillery etc.

India retaliated with reported loitering munition swarm attacks on multiple pakistani militry and ranger posts in north punjab across the Line of Control as per videos from pakistani civilians, but not much of them hitting. Seeing their attempts to intercept them but their rounds not connecting, it is likely multiple managed to went through.




On Day 3, in night pakistan tried to infiltrate a large number of terrorists into our side under cover fire of artillery shelling but BSF managed to kill all 7 of them on their thermal camera. In retaliation BSF destroyed their "Dhandhar" post across the LoC along with another checkpost in Sialkot sector, again, on camera.

Early morning porkis again attacked India with their loitering munition swarm across the border and LoC along with artillery shelling and rocket fires which also got intercepted by air defence guns and SAM batteries.

Then in the evening of 9 May they again attacked us with their cheap loitering drone swarm which again continued to get intercepted on camera across the border and LoC. In the night, Indian Army launched loitering munition strikes on pakistan, at least one hit a target at Okara cantt and Narowal each with damage recorded on camera and many other strikes unconfirmed or not known to me.

Later that night pakistan fired multiple rockets at Kashmir which were taken out by Akash SAM system. Simultaneously at least 2 ballistic missiles, both of which got intercepted on camera over Sirsa and Palwal by Indian Air defence missiles. It is suspected they were heading towards Delhi but couldn't. It was a major escalation.
Then on 10th May (Day 4), Indian military launched a massive offensive campaign. First, the Indian Army fired a large swarm of loitering munitions to overwhelm their air defences. Multiple of which managed to hit Lahore cantonment as per videos with multiple fired towards peshawar, karachi, rawalpindi, sialkot, gujranwala with unconfirmed hits/interceptions.

Indian Air Force meanwhile launched massive airstrikes on 11 pakistani air bases and took out a hangar at jacobabad airbase along with damage to Air traffic control and multiple unconfirmed aircrafts inside. One hangar was struck in bholari airbase with confirmed at least one AEW&CS aircraft lost by PAF along with 50+ personnel. Multiple strikes in Sukkur destroying a hangar and potentially a WingLoong-2 UCAV along with radar sites. The radar sites at chunian and pasrur were struck taking out their long range radar and anti-stealth radar. The runway at rahim yar khan base got a massive crater. In Sargodha the runway got cratered and on camera... their kirana hills nuclear weapons storage facility got struck by a cruise missile. The nur khan air base was struck with 2 SCALP cruise missiles taking out their entire command and control as well causing splinter damage to the parked C-130 aircrafts. Their shorkot base was also struck. The PAF murid airbase was struck taking out their UAV command and control as well as an underground weapons storage facility. Among many others who's satellite imagery is yet to come.

Pakistan started firing YIHA drones at us again with no success while in an early morning retaliation by India, Pakistani Post and Terrorist Launch Pad from where Tube Launched Drones were also being launched had been completely destroyed by Indian Army near Jammu. In other strike at least one loitering munition had hit a post in sialkot outskirts with aftermath recorded on camera.

Pakistan launched their operation to target our airbases with code name banyan-um marsoos targeting our various military assets with air launched missiles. All of that got intercepted on camera by the S-400s, Akash and MR-SAM systems. Although claiming successful hits at 26 Indian locations for which they gave no evidence, nor such an evidence exists on social media or satellite imagery.

Pakistan then begged for a ceasefire seeing it's Air force decapitated and their strikes failed, we signed it maybe under Trump's trade war threats and within hour pakistan violated the ceasefire again with intense loitering munition attacks which got successfully intercepted by air defence guns and MANPADs.

Next morning on 11th Indian Army and BSF struck dozens of pakistani army and ranger posts with ATGMs, recoilless rifles, mortars, automatic grenade launchers and medium artillery and released videos. While none from pakistani side as they were overwhelmed on the LoC.


Later on 6 pakistani terrorists were shot dead, 3 each in Tral and Shopian. Meanwhile unknown gunmen struck down Abu Saifullah Nizamani who was part of LeT module that carried out several attacks in Kashmir Valley, mastermind behind attacks on CRPF (2001), RSS HQ (2008) & IISc Bengaluru (2005) along with co-founder of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba aka Amir Hamza shot.







I don't see any reason for us not cheering for our forces and laughing at the absolute humiliation these inbreds faced by our hands. We have far more media content of them getting obliterated while they have unrelated videos to claim hits on us, they even are sharing videos of any random fire at any random farm or garbage dump as a proof of strikes on our assets lmao.

Let them cry.

Thanks for the chronology of us banging the Pakis :truestory:
I have bookmarked your post, will bludgeon any future bhosdapillas with it
 
Unlike Pakistanis who will claim everything under the sun as their valorant doing, our IAF doesn't do that.

IAF has an impeccable record of BDA and confirming losses and damage to the enemy.

They will not say something which will change that credibility unless it's some form of OpSec violation because IAF will forever lose that trust of the people.

Then you have the Pakistani ministers and military claiming we lost 6 aircraft, radars, men, and drones reaching Delhi without any BDA.

IAF will only confirm what it has undeniable proof of (like the strikes falling on Pakistani terrorists and their families).

They will not go the asif route of "It's all over social media". That man got ridiculed so much for that.

We saw that video of their AWACS cooking and pakis confirmed it be fucked but IAF won't go off of twitter videos or Pakistani statements. They'll do their own BDA and only state what they have undeniable proof of.

When Pakistanis say "oh no we lost 2 aircraft", it's way higher and the only reason they're admitting to it is because those losses are, as their defense minister would say, "all over social media".
Whole of western world believe the narrative of Pakistan gave a serious hammering to india.
Now they keep asking did you have bombshell falling in major cities . Now it’s not a common man job to prove things . It’s government job to remove this fake narrative.

But what our govt did is just accepted a few borderline losses to Pakistan. Now it cements their agenda.

Either we accept and move on that we lost to porky suaar.moreover people in india don’t have access to world media. We have blacked out .

So now Most probably we will accept the narrative approach of west because to how many people you will tell the truth? Or government takes care of world perspective more than their vote bank.

For nation opposition walked the fine line by supporting govt but government doesn’t want to do the needful . We tell the truth.

There iaf guys dont have any power in their hand to tell things without orders from government. So lets keep iaf and establishment separate.
 
I don't understand why people start moaning and bitching when IAF says we lost an aircraft.

Do you want them to lie to you?
Do you think losses are unacceptable?

Oh no, we lost a plane. Holy shit. Never in the history of ever has there been a war where people have lost planes.

You absolutely skull fuck a 90 million dollar Erieye (triple the cost of JF17s) and multiple unknown aircraft with AIRBASES being destroyed and the whining. Oh god, the whining.
The general said we lost an aircraft. Oh no.
Guess none of you paid any attention when the IAF chief said there will naturally be losses in war. What did you think? The chief was talking about his candy crush account getting hacked?

The interview was a mistake in a completely different way than you guys think. There's no shock to me that we have lost a plane or two.

You guys are here acting like it's a trading card game and "oh no, my shiny Charizard got defeated by a Ratata'.

FFS.
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No one is asking the real question-

How does that change the big picture?
It doesn't.
Okay?
Cool.

Lord Waanar is going to chew banana now and watch the screeching continue regardless.
To be honest it's not the loss of FA it's the type of FA which matters to me & I'd speak for myself. Anything except the Rafale & MKI is acceptable .

Why not these two ? Good question. For starters these are your front line FAs due to go head on against the PLAAF in a few years. Hence if they were targeted especially the Rafale which the IAF sees as good enough to go up against the J-20 it's not good going.

The post mortem of the shooting down of the Rafale or MKI assuming these were shot down will no doubt be done & corrections made as the CDS himself testified to but from my side it's obviously academic curiosity.

The IAF isn't obliged to divulge information or the corrective steps they've undertaken one way or another. Hence speculation rationalization galore etc will continue more so once the type of the FA is disclosed which as I've pointed out is assuming we've lost FA in the first place.

Another reason for the confusion is Hellfire normally a sane poster who was rationalising the losses on 7th or 8th May is now singing a different tune which as a member here has pointed out an ex Navy Jock & member of DFI by the handle Decklander on another forum pointed out with the opening remarks that Army guys should never be called upon to brief anybody least of all the media on Naval or AF action coz of their unfamiliarity with technical jargon.

"Down" & "downed " have very different connotations in the AF as opposed to the real world. Down in AF terminology refers to non availability for whatever reason whereas downed refers to shot down.

Apparently Rafales suffered splinter damages on 7th May due to deep ingress on account of us not conducting SEAD / DEAD operations & given the lack of range of the Hammers the only ASG munition apart from the SCALP / Storm Shadow the Rafale was geared to handle. Indian munitions like Rudram etc haven't yet been mated onto the Rafales.

Apparently these Rafales were also back in action the following day . However since this isn't the official version & the member in question has been proven to be wrong before , sometimes spectacularly so , take it with as much salt as your system can handle.
 
Let's have this clear...
1. It's clear from CDS that we had losses on day 1. From memory, there were videos of something falling at 4 places, atleast one a drop tank and another a drone, one with mention of a parachute. My best guess is that we may have lost 1-2 aircraft, one may have been a rafale, would be surprised at anything more than that.
2. When CDS is admitting losses, I don't see why numbers are not being accepted to close the matter for good.
3. Losing men and material is acceptable part of war. I can understand the reluctance to accept on day 1, but should have been accepted later.
4. More we try to hide or be ambivalent, larger the issue. We ourselves have magnified it.
5. Irrespective of any losses, the fact remains that we may have exceeded our own expectations in terms of targets achieved and loss to PAF. Once we take off focus from number of jets, we can focus more on our achievements.
 
Let's have this clear...
1. It's clear from CDS that we had losses on day 1. From memory, there were videos of something falling at 4 places, atleast one a drop tank and another a drone, one with mention of a parachute. My best guess is that we may have lost 1-2 aircraft, one may have been a rafale, would be surprised at anything more than that.
2. When CDS is admitting losses, I don't see why numbers are not being accepted to close the matter for good.
3. Losing men and material is acceptable part of war. I can understand the reluctance to accept on day 1, but should have been accepted later.
4. More we try to hide or be ambivalent, larger the issue. We ourselves have magnified it.
5. Irrespective of any losses, the fact remains that we may have exceeded our own expectations in terms of targets achieved and loss to PAF. Once we take off focus from number of jets, we can focus more on our achievements.
Most of the target we hit were symbolic in nature.
We just hit in manner that it’s not destroyed. Why is that : were we scared of escalation? Any pressure of USA ? Any pressure from china ? Or scared of multi front war.

So let’s not say we hit and we have got to be ultimate champion. Now since the picture is getting clear it seems more like a controlled aggression. As for bitch slap on porky face they don’t care about it . Also they were up against 4 th largest economy in world.

As a failed nation they can actually feel proud to have fought this way to such a big nation.
 
Let's have this clear...
1. It's clear from CDS that we had losses on day 1. From memory, there were videos of something falling at 4 places, atleast one a drop tank and another a drone, one with mention of a parachute. My best guess is that we may have lost 1-2 aircraft, one may have been a rafale, would be surprised at anything more than that.
2. When CDS is admitting losses, I don't see why numbers are not being accepted to close the matter for good.
3. Losing men and material is acceptable part of war. I can understand the reluctance to accept on day 1, but should have been accepted later.
4. More we try to hide or be ambivalent, larger the issue. We ourselves have magnified it.
5. Irrespective of any losses, the fact remains that we may have exceeded our own expectations in terms of targets achieved and loss to PAF. Once we take off focus from number of jets, we can focus more on our achievements.

I don’t think most people beside paki in disguise are worrying about aircraft loss rather they asking why is a general giving interview to hostile foreign media house.
Clearly its seems army brass lacks shatrubodh. All country is hostile to us.
To be honest current CDS is rather not upto mark at least when comparing to late gen BIpin Rawat. Theatrization In limbo no progress it seems after the finalization of theater command.
 
If every Aircraft returned to base all they have to say "No Aircraft was shot down and every pilot returned home."
Why they want to be all mysterious like soap opera cllifhager.
 
If every Aircraft returned to base all they have to say "No Aircraft was shot down and every pilot returned home."
Why they want to be all mysterious like soap opera cllifhager.
They never said all aircraft retired safe to base. They said all pilot are safe at base. Because we have ejection seats .💺
Now it’s no mystery from us losses we lost a few jets.
Only question ka how many? 5 6 8 10 how many…..
 
The point of "wasting" a fucking missile on a runway is that it renders the whole air force station inoperable. No jets can take off or land. Targeting an air force station and rendering them inoperable, in any case, is a far more escalatory move than shooting down of any single aircraft. What's the use of priding one's self on the F-16s, J-10s, JF-17s if they cannot get airborne and engage? Not only does that translate into a crippled retaliation attempt by the Pakis, if hostilities were to continue on to May 11th, the IAF would have a huge air superiority advantage. You thought that bombing the 11 air force stations in broad daylight was bad? Bam! Try fifty more missiles the next day and this time the sitting ducks within the hangars get obliterated. This would 100% have happened if ceasefire wasn't agreed upon on May 10th as it is the next step on the escalation order


This part, I definitely agree. It's a very good strategy. Only constraint here is the counter drone swarms coming in to our side of the border can and will disrupt the activites of border cities. The residents of Jammu, Jaisalmer, Amritsar, Bikaner (if I recall correctly?) were already sick of it within 3-4 days despite there being no drone strikes and the damages caused were mostly due to the debris. I have faith in DRDO and indigenous tech companies to develop systems against this and once that is in place, this should be the new normal. Till then, like you said occassional drone swarms should be sent in.

Are we still going to talk about how much escalation we can or cannot do? I get the whole point about making an air base inoperable by taking out the runway. We already reached a escalatory stage there, why stop there? Why not go one step further and take out the entire air assets in that air base? Given our formidable air defenses it's not like they can do the same to us since they don't even the capability.

Pakis cannot keep sending imported drones forever. That is a lot of cost to them. Besides it will only give us an excuse to target them more. We also lot of anti-drone measures which they don't have. We should leverage it and bleed them to death. There can't be caution anymore.
 
You've unwittingly stumbled upon GoI's response for another terrorist outrage not big enough like Pahalgam or Pulwama.

I suspect that's one reason Operation Sindoor hasn't been called off. We target their sites , they try to counter , given the operation is alive , all our assets will be primed to take them down.

However this state of being forward deployed & in a constant state of readiness takes a heavy toll over their manpower machinery & resources especially so given their state of the economy.

Then of course when you forward deploy a very large chunk of your forces & assets on your western borders you leave the rest of the country vulnerable especially if they're already in some amount of stress given the fraught internal security situation there.

That's the hidden cost of continuing Operation Sindoor.

All your points are valid. But if you remember about a drone video documentary I posted and which you also liked in this thread, you know building reliable, cost effective drones requires lot of components. Pakis import even the basic drones. We will be producing home made chips from this year on or at the very least from next year. This means right from all the electronics to the electric motors we will be producing it here.

Porkis don't have the luxury. You need bare minimum $50,000 to build a drone which has a range of 100-200km. Since we are also going to be mating it with war head it also needs electro-optical targeting system as well. The Polish warmate drone which we used in this conflict costs slightly above $100,000. If we are domestically producing it then our spending will be in our own currency INR. Let's say it costs INR 1 crore per drone and we can produce 10,000 of them, ofcourse not all of them in a financial year at once. Then this is negligible cost to us. If anything we will be rejuvenating our drone ecosystem which is growing by giving them more orders.

Porkis on the other hand have to use their precious forex to buy the drones. Their days of having sugar daddy is over. They will get loans through IMF, World Bank, and bilateral loan with X country but not a blank cheque. We don't have to keep all our air assets on stand by. They won't dare to use their air force given our air defenses and also the retaliation which will follow if they do. This is a cost effective way to wear them down and target them without risking any of our own.
 
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