Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Darth Malgus said:

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Kindly go through the thread and give me your opinions. I have highlighted something, which most people are not talking about.
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Reminder, since this has been buried. I have highlighted Pakistan AD personal losses. Which should be far more valuable thing to take out than aircraft, which the Chinis and Goras will replace readily. Trained and experienced personal will take years to replace. AD is something that is built over years and takes years more to rebuild.
 
Suga said:
I don’t think most people beside paki in disguise are worrying about aircraft loss rather they asking why is a general giving interview to hostile foreign media house.
Clearly its seems army brass lacks shatrubodh. All country is hostile to us.
To be honest current CDS is rather not upto mark at least when comparing to late gen BIpin Rawat. Theatrization In limbo no progress it seems after the finalization of theater command.
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Sure, I am personally not worried about number of aircraft. We have over 200 on order (if I include 97 tejas AoN).
But the number become relevant due to narratives. CDS has replied in a mysterious manner, raising more questions.
As somebody said today, when armymen speak to media, they should talk like diplomats. In this case, it was an unfriendly foreign media. Clearly a careless thing to do, should have spoken to an Indian media if this was required at all.
 
News coming about Ukraine destroying 40 Russian aircraft today. Nobody will claim that Ukraine has won the war!
But india has lost because pakistan claims downing a certain number, doesn't matter they lost airbases and arguably, the nuclear sites.
We must take the propaganda head on....employ some diplomats to do course correction.
 
Namaste Paijjans... My 2 cent view regarding integration of Very Long range BVRAAM on SU 30 MKI.

The Indian Air Force ( IAF ) requires an urgent doctrinal and technological shift in its air combat posture to counter evolving adversary tactics. The Pakistan Air Force has demonstrated effective use of long-range Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missiles (BVRAAMs) in recent engagements, exploiting range asymmetry to force IAF aircraft into defensive maneuvers. To restore deterrence credibility and ensure aerial dominance in future conflicts, it is imperative to upgrade the Su-30MKI fleet with long-range BVRAAMs such as the R-37M.

★ Su-30MKI as a Long-Range Interceptor is a must..........Su-30MKI, with its large radar aperture, long endurance, and heavy payload capacity, is an ideal platform to integrate heavy long-range air-to-air missiles.......... R-37M with a range exceeding 300 km and speeds up to Mach 6, is optimized for targeting AWACS, force multipliers, and high-value platforms ( F-16 & J-10's ) & most importantly making sure enemy go into defensive.......Its integration would convert the Su-30MKI into a stand-off aerial dominance platform, allowing the IAF to project power deep into enemy airspace without breaching international borders & providing necessary protection for ground attack platforms.

★ Strategic Impact of R-37M Integration

• Airspace Denial Capability: Enemy force multipliers like AWACS, tankers, and airborne jammers as well all there fighter jets would be forced to operate from standoff distances, degrading there situational awareness.

• Pre-emptive Threat Neutralization: Long-range missiles create first-launch advantage, allowing the IAF to dictate terms of engagement and break up enemy strike packages.

• Psychological Deterrence: Knowledge of a credible long-range threat will force adversaries to reconsider massed air raids and bold offensive moves like spraying BVRAAM from a distance.


★ Recommendations

• Immediate Initiation of R-37M Integration Trials on select Su-30MKIs.

• Accelerate AESA radar upgrades to fully exploit missile performance.

• Redefine air engagement doctrine to prioritize “first-launch advantage” and force denial.

• Coordinate with DRDO for parallel development of indigenous long-range AAMs (>250 km range).... One is already in development.

• Establish an Air Dominance Task Force within IAF to re-evaluate air combat tactics, missile deployment strategies, and rapid procurement bottlenecks...... Stop taking high morality churan.

★ Conclusion

India cannot afford to continue operating under outdated engagement doctrines or with technologically outpaced systems. A credible air deterrent must include the ability to strike first from extended ranges, disrupt enemy formations, and degrade their C4ISR assets. Integrating the R-37M into the Su-30MKI fleet is a strategic necessity.....not an option.
 
People here wondering why our Military babus behave like they behave…

I posted earlier also


They are secular army

They dont understand the nature of paki inbred subhuman jihadi enemy, a Jwan will definitely know but officer rank is thoroughly secularists

Lack of shatrubodh dont tell them for enemy everything is war a word spoken, a PR event anything they can get thr hands over, unless the paki inbred subhuman jihadis r not shown thr aukad in every fckin sense possible … inbreds take it as a win…

Officer ranks needs to know the hard truth … u dont respect ur enemy as a person u can respect thr capabilities and plan accordingly..
But one needs to tell them the nature of

porki inbred subhuman jihadi nature then only military and dhindu civilians can work out a counter in all dimensions
 

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Namaste Paijjans... My 2 cent view regarding integration of Very Long range BVRAAM on SU 30 MKI.

The Indian Air Force ( IAF ) requires an urgent doctrinal and technological shift in its air combat posture to counter evolving adversary tactics. The Pakistan Air Force has demonstrated effective use of long-range Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missiles (BVRAAMs) in recent engagements, exploiting range asymmetry to force IAF aircraft into defensive maneuvers. To restore deterrence credibility and ensure aerial dominance in future conflicts, it is imperative to upgrade the Su-30MKI fleet with long-range BVRAAMs such as the R-37M.

★ Su-30MKI as a Long-Range Interceptor is a must..........Su-30MKI, with its large radar aperture, long endurance, and heavy payload capacity, is an ideal platform to integrate heavy long-range air-to-air missiles.......... R-37M with a range exceeding 300 km and speeds up to Mach 6, is optimized for targeting AWACS, force multipliers, and high-value platforms ( F-16 & J-10's ) & most importantly making sure enemy go into defensive.......Its integration would convert the Su-30MKI into a stand-off aerial dominance platform, allowing the IAF to project power deep into enemy airspace without breaching international borders & providing necessary protection for ground attack platforms.

★ Strategic Impact of R-37M Integration

• Airspace Denial Capability: Enemy force multipliers like AWACS, tankers, and airborne jammers as well all there fighter jets would be forced to operate from standoff distances, degrading there situational awareness.

• Pre-emptive Threat Neutralization: Long-range missiles create first-launch advantage, allowing the IAF to dictate terms of engagement and break up enemy strike packages.

• Psychological Deterrence: Knowledge of a credible long-range threat will force adversaries to reconsider massed air raids and bold offensive moves like spraying BVRAAM from a distance.


★ Recommendations

• Immediate Initiation of R-37M Integration Trials on select Su-30MKIs.

• Accelerate AESA radar upgrades to fully exploit missile performance.

• Redefine air engagement doctrine to prioritize “first-launch advantage” and force denial.

• Coordinate with DRDO for parallel development of indigenous long-range AAMs (>250 km range).... One is already in development.

• Establish an Air Dominance Task Force within IAF to re-evaluate air combat tactics, missile deployment strategies, and rapid procurement bottlenecks...... Stop taking high morality churan.

★ Conclusion

India cannot afford to continue operating under outdated engagement doctrines or with technologically outpaced systems. A credible air deterrent must include the ability to strike first from extended ranges, disrupt enemy formations, and degrade their C4ISR assets. Integrating the R-37M into the Su-30MKI fleet is a strategic necessity.....not an option.
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Astra Mk 2
The Astra Mk-2 has a maximum range of 130–160 km (81–99 mi) depending on the firing altitude. Upgrades includes an in-house developed dual-pulse rocket motor, laser proximity fuze and an indigenous AESA radar seeker among others.
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Gandiva (Astra MK 3)
The missile named "Gandiva" is India's Astra Mk-III, a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile. It's designed to strike targets at a range of 340 kilometers at an altitude of 20 kilometers and 190 kilometers at an altitude of 8 kilometers. The missile is powered by a solid fuel ducted ramjet engine, allowing it to achieve supersonic speeds.
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It's biting back guys. The gutless decision to not carve up Pakistan and to grant a ceasefire without an official surrender from Pakistan, have started showing their ramifications.
 
Doreamon said:
They did nt have jammers for soft kill ? In any case swarm attack from your own territory is a problematic prospect . We have LOC we know drones coming from there and have placed assets . I wonder how prepared we are to deal with swarm attacks from from own territory having a proximity from unexpected directions .. This also gives a new dimension to action of para forces . We got to be prepared for this .
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Not a good news

View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1929162108115255548
 
As time passes more and more people will ask why exactly did we stop when we could have gone for the kill.

Speaking from a purely strategic perspective on day one of Indian strikes when the proof was undeniable that we only stuck terror launchpads on what basis did pakistan attack our civilian and military targets. That itself should have resulted in overwhelming strikes against all PAF assets.

Both the PAF and PN were legitimate targets that should have been wiped starting day 2 or day 3 since Indian had justifiable cause.

Instead we once again let them go when we had them. What has this resulted in.

1. pakistan now understands what its weakness are and will work hard to rectify it.
2. India lost the advantage to set back PAF 20 years down the line in a single go.
3. Pakistan has now received around 50 billion from various banks and countries around the world.
4. New methods to damage India and Indian military assets like the attack by Ukrainians today.

The failure of Indian diplomacy is for all to see.

Those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it and Indian history is full of kings who decided not to press when they had the advantage to go for the kill and the result is known to all. The entirety of bharat varsh suffered for decades.

I thank the govt for their go ahead to this wonderful operation but the facts unfortunately have not changed.

Indian establishment is compromised to the core. The operation while excellent was still viewed as tactical sem2sem battle and not a civilisational conflict going on for centuries.

Our failure to go for the kill will bite us back down the line we can be sure of it. Just like how failure to respond to resai led to pahalgam.
 
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Knowitall said:
As time passes more and more people will ask why exactly did we stop when we could have gone for the kill.

Speaking from a purely strategic perspective on day one of Indian strikes when the proof was undeniable that we only stuck terror launchpads on what basis did pakistan attack our civilian and military targets. That itself should have resulted in overwhelming strikes against all PAF assets.

Both the PAF and PN were legitimate targets that should have been wiped starting day 2 or day 3 since Indian had justifiable cause.

Instead we once again let them go when we had them. What has this resulted in.

1. pakistan now understands what its weakness are and will work hard to rectify it.
2. India lost the advantage to set back PAF 20 years down the line in a single go.
3. Pakistan has now received around 50 billion from various banks and countries around the world.
4. New methods to damage India and Indian military assets like the attack by Ukrainians today.

The failure of Indian diplomacy is for all to see.

Those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it and Indian history is full of kings who decided not to press when they had the advantage to go for the kill and the result is known to all. The entirety of bharat varsh suffered for decades.

I thank the govt for their go ahead to this wonderful operation but the facts unfortunately have not changed.

Indian establishment is compromised to the core. The operation while excellent was still viewed as tactical sem2sem battle and not a civilisational conflict going on for centuries.

Our failure to go for the kill will bite us back down the line we can be sure of it. Just like how failure to respond to resai led to pahalgam.
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nice writeup, should have added 25% more words then it would be more interesting.
 
Knowitall said:
As time passes more and more people will ask why exactly did we stop when we could have gone for the kill.

Speaking from a purely strategic perspective on day one of Indian strikes when the proof was undeniable that we only stuck terror launchpads on what basis did pakistan attack our civilian and military targets. That itself should have resulted in overwhelming strikes against all PAF assets.

Both the PAF and PN were legitimate targets that should have been wiped starting day 2 or day 3 since Indian had justifiable cause.

Instead we once again let them go when we had them. What has this resulted in.

1. pakistan now understands what its weakness are and will work hard to rectify it.
2. India lost the advantage to set back PAF 20 years down the line in a single go.
3. Pakistan has now received around 50 billion from various banks and countries around the world.
4. New methods to damage India and Indian military assets like the attack by Ukrainians today.

The failure of Indian diplomacy is for all to see.

Those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it and Indian history is full of kings who decided not to press when they had the advantage to go for the kill and the result is known to all. The entirety of bharat varsh suffered for decades.

I thank the govt for their go ahead to this wonderful operation but the facts unfortunately have not changed.

Indian establishment is compromised to the core. The operation while excellent was still viewed as tactical sem2sem battle and not a civilisational conflict going on for centuries.

Our failure to go for the kill will bite us back down the line we can be sure of it. Just like how failure to respond to resai led to pahalgam.
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50 billion ? Do you understand world bank investment is done through payments to companies, material aid whoose value add to 40 billion maybe, they aren't getting 50 billion credit
 
spikey360 said:
It's biting back guys. The gutless decision to not carve up Pakistan and to grant a ceasefire without an official surrender from Pakistan, have started showing their ramifications.
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In the next conflict, Pakistan will face an even greater defeat, as Indian military will be even better equipped by then.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
50 billion ? Do you understand world bank investment is done through payments to companies, material aid whoose value add to 40 billion maybe, they aren't getting 50 billion credit
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20 billion in loans and 20 billion in private sector investments which can be conveniently redirected to fauji business over the decade.

Then you have azerbaijan and turkey doing the same. If people here genuinely believe that world bank aid to pakistan actually goes where it is supposed to i have a bridge to sell you.

This same IMF has given 1.4 billion to pakistan under climate resilience fund what a fucking joke.
 
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