Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (16 Viewers)

[Knowitall]

source for this news about 50 billion that they now received?

Its a world bank loan of 40 billion divided in 20 + 20 billion format. 20 in the form of loans and 20 in form of private investment which i believe will be diverted to military businesses as always since pakistan has received IMF funds since decades with no marginal improvement of infrastructure climate change or economic activity.

Rest is from azerbaijan and turkey and limited funds from IMF again.

 

[Nibbler]

20 billion in loans and 20 billion in private sector investments which can be conveniently redirected to fauji business.

Then you have azerbaijan and turkey doing the same. If people here genuinely believe that world bank aid to pakistan actually goes where it is supposed to i have a bridge to sell you.

This same IMF has given 1.4 billion to pakistan under climate resilience fund what a fucking joke.

that 40b is over 10 years so not quite that dramatic

But I agree with the overall point you are making. Even if the money doesn't go directlt toward military. It still frees up money that can

 

[Ajatshatru]

There was a time when many defense experts claimed that Pakistan’s submarine fleet would surpass that of the Indian Navy. However, today India operates 20 submarines, while Pakistan has only 5 — and India has 3 nuclear-powered submarines. It’s true that Indian Air Force is currently facing a challenge with declining squadron strength, but it’s not as if the government isn’t addressing it. Give it two years, and you’ll start seeing the Indian Air Force’s squadron strength starts increasing

 

[Knowitall]

that 40b is over 10 years so not quite that dramatic

But I agree with the overall point you are making. Even if the money doesn't go directlt toward military. It still frees up money that can

Yes the overall point was diverted towards pakistan re equipping itself eventually and not collapsing anytime soon due to economic issues as they are always given a lifeline eventually.

Hence the damage should have been adverse enough that even with funds the capability build up would be immense and time consuming.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

20 billion in loans and 20 billion in private sector investments which can be conveniently redirected to fauji business over the decade.

Then you have azerbaijan and turkey doing the same. If people here genuinely believe that world bank aid to pakistan actually goes where it is supposed to i have a bridge to sell you.

This same IMF has given 1.4 billion to pakistan under climate resilience fund what a fucking joke.

Fauji foundation can't mess with those funds, these are mostly given through payments to specific companies to do some work in pakistan, like setting up girls schools, water purifiers, solar panels, it also includes salaries of employees and 40 Billion is to be given over a period of 10 years, inflation will eat away at it

 

[Ajatshatru]

that 40b is over 10 years so not quite that dramatic

But I agree with the overall point you are making. Even if the money doesn't go directlt toward military. It still frees up money that can

India needs to invest in its domestic military-industrial complex, this will reduce dependence on foreign exchange reserves for weapon imports.

 

[ezsasa]

Its a world bank loan of 40 billion divided in 20 + 20 billion format. 20 in the form of loans and 20 in form of private investment which i believe will be diverted to military businesses as always since pakistan has received IMF funds since decades with no marginal improvement of infrastructure or economic activity.

Rest is from azerbaijan and turkey and limited funds from IMF again.

paki lobbies in washington must have made the argument, if US does not support paki economy now, pakiland will do deeper into chini sphere of influence.

sphere of influence geo politics are back.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Fauji foundation can't mess with those funds, these are mostly given through payments to specific companies to do some work in pakistan, like setting up girls schools, water purifiers, solar panels, it also includes salaries of employees and 40 Billion is to be given over a period of 10 years, inflation will eat away at it

All companies are hawala companies in Pakistan. They'll show price of one schoolbag as 50000 INR, buy one for 150 and rest will go to arms. After the shock they've gotten, they'll try to arm themselves more anyway they can.

Anyway, doesn't matter what overt funding is given. US and West is funding them discreetly anyway.

 

[Nicky]

If we want to grow the influence of Hindus in Kashmir then we should increase tourism to push the demographic change.
Hindus are so sensitive.
What are we gonna achieve through boycott?

If you feel you are building influence by spending money on jehadis, you are mistaken.

It was tour guides that survive on the money spent by tourists which helped in the massacre.

They will happily take your money and kill you.

The only way to increase influence is to settle Hindus in large numbers, something Modi promised to do but has forgotten.

They are begging for tourism to come back, we need to bring them on their knees.

 

[Knowitall]

Fauji foundation can't mess with those funds, these are mostly given through payments to specific companies to do some work in pakistan, like setting up girls schools, water purifiers, solar panels, it also includes salaries of employees and 40 Billion is to be given over a period of 10 years, inflation will eat away at it

I knew this was coming and hence certain articles and paragraphs to back my claim.

@ezsasa for further reference on why i believe these funds were released on purpose even when everyone knew where exactly they would end up. Should have added this on the first message itself.

Paragraph 1

India has long argued that IMF support to Pakistan is routinely misused. Over the past 35 years, Pakistan has entered 28 IMF programmes, including four in just the last five years, with little to show by way of structural reform or lasting economic stability.

Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal called the decision “terrible optics,” adding that the IMF’s governance is skewed in favour of Western powers and lacks accountability.

Para 2

Pakistan has a long history of IMF bailouts—over 23 programs since 1958, with many going off-track.

Disbursed funds were often spent on financing deficits, not economic transformation.

In several cases, funds were disbursed under the assumption of reform, but targets were missed, and the money was used to plug budget holes rather than restructure the economy.

Widespread criticism exists—particularly from India and some Western analysts—that Pakistan has historically used freed-up fiscal space (after receiving IMF or bilateral funds) to increase defense spending.

Although direct IMF funds are earmarked for budgetary and economic stabilization, the argument is that these funds indirectly allow Pakistan to shift domestic revenue toward military and strategic priorities.

Do we see the pattern here. PA somehow ends up with the money which they then use to plug something else thus indirectly allowing them to boost defence spending.

A much simplified example.

They have for example a 4 billion deficit in budget and they want to use their reserve funds to plug it. IMF jumps in throws in 4 billion on some poverty removal plan. Pakistan uses it to meet the budget deficit.

It now has 4 billion freed up to boost military spending and fund terrorism.

As pointed out by DM itself.

'Will spend a large portion on terror infrastructure': Rajnath Singh calls on IMF to reconsider loan to Pakistan - Times of India

India Business News: Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Friday urged the IMF to reconsider its loan to Pakistan, fearing funds will be used for terror infrastructure. India

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[INDIAFIRST]

i need to know

want India gained at tashkent during 1965 war...

what India gained by giving all the POW in 1971 WAR without negotiating our POWS in paxtan

What India gained by not crossing the LOC during kargil War while the Indian army got maximum casualties as sitting duck

what India gained by not doing anything after mumbai massacre , IED blast all over Delhi, in one of the Temple in UP, Pune bakery...

what India gained by stepping out and accepting ceasefire in Operation Sindoor...

just because its not one of the NATO member or permanent member of UNSC ( which we happily passed to china)...

No doubt west is confused on the stand India takes...may be even laughing at us...

 

[sameer]

Fauji foundation can't mess with those funds, these are mostly given through payments to specific companies to do some work in pakistan, like setting up girls schools, water purifiers, solar panels, it also includes salaries of employees and 40 Billion is to be given over a period of 10 years, inflation will eat away at it

They can and they will because Fauji foundation is present in almost every business vertical you can imagine. There's Fauji foods, fauji cement, fauji oil, fauji solar etc. . In effect, Fauji foundation is like a spider web that dips its toes in nearly everything from banks to the food you eat to the oil you pump in your vehicle.

Read Millitary Inc by Ayesha siddiqua to know more this, its a very good read.

Either way, money that doesn't need to be spent on social welfare frees up money that needs to be spent on warfare.

 

[KiloLimaZulu]

Some points to be noted from the interview of CDS Anil Chauhan and the Bloomberg Reporter.

• For some apparent reason, she is more interested in our losses than the losses incurred by Pakistan OR she is solely only interested in knowing what losses we faced and not what Pakistan faced? And the CDS should also have mentioned about our kills which he didn't which was stupid on his part, Something feels fishy here.​

• So our CDS instead of telling all this to our own local media first goes for an interview with a reporter from a Western media outlet which is known to spread anti-indian propaganda and says all this? What was he even thinking? I can't fathom this or wrap my mind around all this.​

• The entire interview also only and only about whether or not India lost any aircraft in the conflict during operation Sindhoor.​

• By carrying out Operation Sindhoor, we showed the world that we will never leave terrorism go Scot free! That we have the sheer guts & balls to hit terrorist infrastructure and military airbases and assets within a nuclear power's borders, that we have the capability to strike anywhere and whenever in Pakistan All of which we demonstrated to the entire world! India struck at least 8 PAF airbases and this is fully proven and backed by satellite imagery taken by third parties.​

• Why did the reporter not mention about the targets we hit? About our objectives which we succeeded in? Neutral? Or intentional Bias?​

• It's very clear, the reporter came with an agenda, an agenda to acquire information which will show us in bad-light and she succeeded with the CDS giving her exactly what she came to get.​

• Bloomberg has now published not one, but two articles about CDS confirming loses on our side! it just shows they want to amplify our losses and downplay Pakistan's losses. Look at the article headlines y'all:-​

• "India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent Pakistan Conflict"​

• India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent "Pakistan Conflict"​

• Interesting to note that both the articles were published in few minutes of each other.​

This sick habit "Western media and Gora Validation" is going to cost us a lot in the narrative war, let's see how things will play out in a few days. Let's hope for the best folks.

We have been hopping for the best since 2019. This was the same story during balkot

 

[Nicky]

This is our best shot at a 5th gen or near 5th gen in the next five years, if true.


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1929146622119743919?t=ZGJLQWf_-ELTBaPahGe95Q&s=19

 

[ezsasa]

I knew this was coming and hence certain articles and paragraphs to back my claim.

@ezsasa for further reference on why i believe these funds were released on purpose even when everyone knew where exactly they would end up. Should have added this on the first message itself.

Paragraph 1

India has long argued that IMF support to Pakistan is routinely misused. Over the past 35 years, Pakistan has entered 28 IMF programmes, including four in just the last five years, with little to show by way of structural reform or lasting economic stability.

Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal called the decision “terrible optics,” adding that the IMF’s governance is skewed in favour of Western powers and lacks accountability.

Para 2

Pakistan has a long history of IMF bailouts—over 23 programs since 1958, with many going off-track.

Disbursed funds were often spent on financing deficits, not economic transformation.

In several cases, funds were disbursed under the assumption of reform, but targets were missed, and the money was used to plug budget holes rather than restructure the economy.

Widespread criticism exists—particularly from India and some Western analysts—that Pakistan has historically used freed-up fiscal space (after receiving IMF or bilateral funds) to increase defense spending.

Although direct IMF funds are earmarked for budgetary and economic stabilization, the argument is that these funds indirectly allow Pakistan to shift domestic revenue toward military and strategic priorities.

Do we see the pattern here. PA somehow ends up with the money which they then use to plug something else thus indirectly allowing to boost defense spending.

A much simplified example.

They have for example a 4 billion deficit in budget and they want to use their reserve funds to plug it. IMF jumps in throws in 4 billion on some poverty removal plan. Pakistan uses it to meet the budget deficit.

It now has 4 billion freed up to boost military spending and fund terrorism.

As pointed out by DM itself.

'Will spend a large portion on terror infrastructure': Rajnath Singh calls on IMF to reconsider loan to Pakistan - Times of India

India Business News: Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Friday urged the IMF to reconsider its loan to Pakistan, fearing funds will be used for terror infrastructure. India

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

the consistency with which goras keep this entity called pakiland alive with just enough funds but not much, is always right on time.

 

[Sanglamorre]

This is our best shot at a 5th gen or near 5th gen in the next five years, if true.


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1929146622119743919?t=ZGJLQWf_-ELTBaPahGe95Q&s=19

Why are they trying to sell it like a black friday steam bundle line ek lelo, su30 upgrades free.

See, a country at war itself isn't going to prioritise fulfilling orders. Very less chance we'll end up seeing fulfillment or at the least we'll see delays that would end up the same.

 

[Brood Father]

This is our best shot at a 5th gen or near 5th gen in the next five years, if true.


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1929146622119743919?t=ZGJLQWf_-ELTBaPahGe95Q&s=19

Lol no
Tech transfer is a myth.. If you really need help from Russia then get their scientist and developers to assist you , other than that 5th Gen should only be AMCA

 

[Nicky]

Why are they trying to sell it like a black friday steam bundle line ek lelo, su30 upgrades free.

See, a country at war itself isn't going to prioritise fulfilling orders. Very less chance we'll end up seeing fulfillment or at the least we'll see delays that would end up the same.

Given all of that, we don't have any other option for a 5th gen aircraft. So until we develop one of own, which will take 2040, we should take up on this.

Su30 has been one of the best inductions in IAF. Russia might have taken advantage of us, but overall they are still out most reliable suppliers.

Did France give us any ToT?

Lol no
Tech transfer is a myth.. If you really need help from Russia then get their scientist and developers to assist you , other than that 5th Gen should only be AMCA

Sure, that's only on paper. But that's the best you are going to get. No one will hand over jet engine tech.

This would be stop gap till AMCA comes live, which won't happen till 2040.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

the consistency with which goras keep this entity called pakiland alive with just enough funds but not much, is always right on time.

Well then only option is we periodically cause damage to them, given govt is saying op. Sindoor is still on what does it mean ? Are there further strikes planned ?

 

[KiloLimaZulu]

Not to be missed in the din -

This guy revealed the locations of 14 naval assets out of which 5 were CORRECT. Let that sink in.

And yes, it was for "romance".

Another filthy stinking gutter traitor who thought Angel Priya was really in luv with him.

Should be executed.

Do they not provide sensitivity training for these incels about this!?

Article also mentioned he received money in return for information. Also conversed with someone who he addressed as "sir" unless he's gay, he knew what he was doing.