Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[concard]

Check out the recent drone attack by Ukraine deep into Russia today.


View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929170955663737093


View: https://x.com/GabbbarSingh/status/1929184362966233319

If Ukrainians are breaching Russian air defenses, what do you think we can do? We need cost effective deadly drones to keep Porki filth on their toes. Porkis cannot intercept every drone from India. Doing so also reveals their positions where they have placed their air defense systems. We need to explore this kind of low intensity war. For us it will be low intensity for them it will be high intensity. They will be forced to buy expensive air defense systems again and again.

NOTE: These drones were smuggled in a truck and parked outside of the target airfield. But since Porkistan depth is less, we don't have to do this and can attack within our borders.

 

[WARREN SS]

This is our best shot at a 5th gen or near 5th gen in the next five years, if true.


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1929146622119743919?t=ZGJLQWf_-ELTBaPahGe95Q&s=19

Lol except engines
India out matches Russians on all aspects of
Currently
Better radar ,Better avionics better Stealth designs

This practically offers nothing to india

It's another Vikramaditya type deal in making..

 

[Nicky]

Lol except engines
India out matches Russians on all aspects of
Currently
Better radar ,Better avionics better Stealth designs

This practically offers nothing to india

It's another Vikramaditya type deal in making..

I agree but we don't even have engines that can power LCA, let alone 5th gen.

All the above you have listed are useless without an engine. I'd love to not be dependent on anyone but thats the harsh reality.

My simple question is that AMCA will not be operational before 2040. What are our alternatives for a 5th gen fighter in the meantime?

 

[indrajit]

Check out the recent drone attack by Ukraine deep into Russia today.


View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929170955663737093


View: https://x.com/GabbbarSingh/status/1929184362966233319

If Ukrainians are breaching Russian air defenses, what do you think we can do? We need cost effective deadly drones to keep Porki filth on their toes. Porkis cannot intercept every drone from India. Doing so also reveals their positions where they have placed their air defense systems. We need to explore this kind of low intensity war. For us it will be low intensity for them it will be high intensity. They will be forced to buy expensive air defense systems again and again.

Air defences didn't come into the picture. The drones took off from 50-100 m from the target airfield, thousands of kilometers from the Frontline. This was an audacious, brilliant attack. I don't think anyone could have easily defended this type of attack.

 

[KiloLimaZulu]

Answer to all of this stupidity is to immediately order 4/5 squadrons of Rafael.

 

[Brood Father]

Check out the recent drone attack by Ukraine deep into Russia today.


View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929170955663737093


View: https://x.com/GabbbarSingh/status/1929184362966233319

If Ukrainians are breaching Russian air defenses, what do you think we can do? We need cost effective deadly drones to keep Porki filth on their toes. Porkis cannot intercept every drone from India. Doing so also reveals their positions where they have placed their air defense systems. We need to explore this kind of low intensity war. For us it will be low intensity for them it will be high intensity. They will be forced to buy expensive air defense systems again and again.

Tell this to our deFEnCE eXpETs who at the drop of hat start begging for 5th Gen AF from foreign countries
We need to invest on low risk / low cost in both offence and defence sectors

Just Imagine your precious imported 5th AF attacked like this .. What will be happen ?

So no to importing 5th Gen and yes to invest in cheap but capable platforms to inflict high cost to enemies ..

 

[Brood Father]

I agree but we don't even have engines that can power LCA, let alone 5th gen.

All the above you have listed are useless without an engine. I'd love to not be dependent on anyone but thats the harsh reality.

My simple question is that AMCA will not be operational before 2040. What are our alternatives for a 5th gen fighter in the meantime?

So what ..If you want to be super power start behaving like one..
Importing doesn't solve anything . Push project in mission mode . Last I checked India is already in last stage of finalizing JV for engines ..Once that is sorted we can go full steam ..
Any imports in between can put a hole in our pocket which we cannot afford unfortunately at this time when there is so much push for indigenous products

 

[WARREN SS]

I agree but we don't even have engines that can power LCA, let alone 5th gen.

All the above you have listed are useless without an engine. I'd love to not be dependent on anyone but thats the harsh reality.

My simple question is that AMCA will not be operational before 2040. What are our alternatives for a 5th gen fighter in the meantime?

And Russians Will not give
There engines on platter had this been case we already would have absorbed AL 31 fp


Best we will invest in anti stealth warfare and
Indigenous engines efforts

 

[Selvam91]

Answer to all of this stupidly is to immediately order 4/5 squadrons of Rafael.

Rafales are too much expensive. We should do cost benefit analysis before ordering anymore rafales.

 

[WARREN SS]

Rafales are too much expensive. We should do cost benefit analysis before ordering anymore rafales.

Rafale cost
Around 90-100 million a piece
F4 trance

Total cost includes spares and weapons package
With LCC package included

 

[KiloLimaZulu]

Rafales are too much expensive. We should do cost benefit analysis before ordering anymore rafales.

"Cost to benefit analysis" is we desperately need fighters, Rafael is one of the best in the world and it's stupid to order a completely new platform.

 

[Doreamon]

Air defences didn't come into the picture. The drones took off from 50-100 m from the target airfield, thousands of kilometers from the Frontline. This was an audacious, brilliant attack. I don't think anyone could have easily defended this type of attack.

Yeah dozens of small drones at low height from 100 meters distance is a trouble . But still jammers were missing I think .

 

[WARREN SS]

View: https://x.com/OsintUpdates/status/1929171344060740013?t=63m3RFYbsYVGJSXBF9wsnw&s=19

 

[Nicky]

Air defences didn't come into the picture. The drones took off from 50-100 m from the target airfield, thousands of kilometers from the Frontline. This was an audacious, brilliant attack. I don't think anyone could have easily defended this type of attack.

Exactly, you can't defend an attack for so close. Only defence is to prevent it from happening.

Answer to all of this stupidly is to immediately order 4/5 squadrons of Rafael.

You won't get ToT from them either.

I think we should do both, order Rafael and negotiate for Su57.

Both of these are stop gap till we have AMCA.

Tell this to our deFEnCE eXpETs who at the drop of hat start begging for 5th Gen AF from foreign countries
We need to invest on low risk / low cost in both offence and defence sectors

Just Imagine your precious imported 5th AF attacked like this .. What will be happen ?

So no to importing 5th Gen and yes to invest in cheap but capable platforms to inflict high cost to enemies ..

If you feel low cost drones will replace 5th gen aircrafts, that's a huge mistake. These cheap drones can be taken out by cheap systems as well.

I know dogfights are not a norm anymore but there are many situations where there is no substitute for a jet that's superior to the enemies.

 

[indrajit]

Rafales are too much expensive. We should do cost benefit analysis before ordering anymore rafales.

We are looking at the wrong type of aircraft if we are primarily going to be doing stand off strikes. Upgrade Su30's and think whether we can repurpose transport or P8 type aircraft to be a missile carrier. Warfare has changed. I think stronger air defenses and better stand off weapons in bulk are what will be the way forward. Not super expensive fighters.

 

[Nicky]

So what ..If you want to be super power start behaving like one..
Importing doesn't solve anything . Push project in mission mode . Last I checked India is already in last stage of finalizing JV for engines ..Once that is sorted we can go full steam ..
Any imports in between can put a hole in our pocket which we cannot afford unfortunately at this time when there is so much push for indigenous products

So what's the timeline for AMCA and the plan till then in case China attacks?

Remind me which JVs are these and what's the timeline?

Stop freebies and push into defense, both indigenous development and imports where necessary.

And Russians Will not give
There engines on platter had this been case we already would have absorbed AL 31 fp


Best we will invest in anti stealth warfare and
Indigenous engines efforts

Of course they won't, why should they?

That's why we need to develop our own, but until we do, we need stop gaps.

 

[WARREN SS]

People here forgetting Rafale were not allowed to engage Porkies

Had that bean case

We must have found meteor reckage

Even in that what happened we can't actually
Analyze

Even best of the aircrafts like f-18's and F-35 struggle in contested enviornment

We need to give Rafale 's some space

 

[Knowitall]

the consistency with which goras keep this entity called pakiland alive with just enough funds but not much, is always right on time.

Hence why i said that we should have knocked out both PAF and PN.

I do understand the concept of escalation ladder but we have certain references in history that if a strike is carried out with deadly precision across the board it will force the enemy to climb down.

Prime example of this is the six day war launched by Israel.

If India launches a strike similar to operation focus that completely wipes out PAF and PN decisively. PA would have no choice but to back down as a land incursion with PAF would be bad enough but without PAF downright impossible.

 

[Anants]

Seeing how pathetic Russians are when it comes air defence

I am proud IAF and Indian armed forces




View: https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1929137588381667702?t=TCQ8Q9WH43UoWkP6euNR1g&s=19

You know Russia is almost sustaining war for 2 years? Real test shall of IACCS shall ne with China. Because latter had capability to overwhelm with sheer numbers. Till we gave each AD node indigenous and in more numbers with additional layers(which shall come in future) quickly we may not have same level of clean conflict with China

 

[WARREN SS]

Of course they won't, why should they?

That's why we need to develop our own, but until we do, we need stop gaps.

For that we need to invest in better air defence and stand off

And strictly speaking
Su-57 is bad deal as stop

Gap

F-35'S are better under FMS

Atleast we can use it against China

Russians are untrustworthy when it comes to CCP

Nevertheless even if we have nothing

We can go for more 4.5+. Aircrafts
And better AD and Anti stealth technology