Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Anants]

Well I guess gormint needs to do something about it?

Dosen't it?

It took pahalgaam and Op Sindoor for court to agree to kick illegals out. Chd is under Center even MCD is under BJP. Whats stops them dunno.

 

[Captscooby]

I have a question about Rafale BS001 vertical stabilizer image. Where was the image taken and why no other related images of engines, fuselage exist? I mean, I tried doing the reverse image search but where it first originated and by whom it was uploaded still remains a mystery. Some claim it is fake and has been "worked on" by Pakistanis and Chinese.

I have a source of where that image came from , But lets wait and see what our guys declare when ever they do it .

One thing is ruling govt should not tangle itself in unwated chutiyapa spins by trying to deny if a crash has happened

a, Crash happened in a state which is ruled by govt which is rabid hatred to Mudi ji
b, they will use that denial to drag Mudi ji into unwanted fake scam bla bla nonsense

If there is crash declare it close the chapter and move on to your political battles

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929490144274350249?t=D202JrzgrkpiZ6MLolnEVA&s=19

 

[Captscooby]

How advanced was this pahalgam attack that we have no clue about the terrorists, agencies are roaming clueless everywhere.

It was considered the attack was carried out by the same bunch of SSG ones who sneaked in 2023 and were causing loses to our forces in poonch rajouri forest area .. What is important is why they suddenly changed their targets from attacking only army guys why they moved to do Reasi bus attack and then why they executed Pahalgam ..Its very planned op where they only wanted kill Hindu men not women or children so that means someone has given them this plan of execution to be put into action and that command came from Pindi .

Especially after that Munir pig rant about hindu vs muslim differences ..

 

[Drwho]

It’s amazing to see the fanboy optimism on this forum.

Plane crash hua - so what

Abe squadron puri nahi hai - so what

Abe soldier bharti nahi hui hai- so what

Abe fifth gen nahi hai— so what

Abe china bhi porky ke sath hai- koi nahi

Abe amca 16 saar dur hai— so what

Tab tak china paki war ho jayegi ladenge kaside - koi nahi

Abe DRDO slow hai - koi nahi hamare jaise hai

Abe hal production nahi kar kar ra - ho jayega kabhi toh hoga

Abe diplomatic issues hai koi sath nahi aya - koi nahi

Abe Russia bhi dur ja ra hai - jane do

America trust worthy nahi hai- koi nahi

All neighbour are becoming enemy - hone do

Economy growth is one sided only rich getting rich- we are 3 largest and Adani ji hai na.

Opposition weak hai - hone do

Abe world think we lost to paki - koi nahi meri tai aur fufa jante hai hum jeete

Abe IAF wale kuch bhi bol re hai enemy media pe- koi fark nahi hoga.

We are at big moment. Our future will be written in next few years. We need to prepare for china paki and Bangladesh war May be even Nepal and lanka will support them. Big built up is needed not this ho jayega kar lenge approach. Yes Modi govt fighting very well with porky but china will be different war game.

Ye jo china quality issue people keep raising is stupid because they need to Visit or see on YouTube how china is growing in technology.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929490144274350249?t=D202JrzgrkpiZ6MLolnEVA&s=19

Dropped a bomb thru a 45 cm air vent from 200 kms away ? That's ~ 18" . What about CEP ? What's he talking about ?

If he's in the business of propaganda I don't mind this a bit to troll the Paxtanis . If he's a genuine handle which is what I think he's attempting to be , he needs to get a hold on himself.

 

[Aditya10r]

People asking grok about the images. Absolute state of low IQ dehatis, in case of dehatis on the paki side it's blatant ignorance and a pursuit of propaganda but in our case it's pure ignorance.

 

[ezsasa]

Dropped a bomb thru a 45 cm air vent from 200 kms away ? That's ~ 18" . What about CEP ? What's he talking about ?

If he's in the business of propaganda I don't mind this a bit to troll the Paxtanis . If he's a genuine handle which is what I think he's attempting to be , he needs to get a hold on himself.

they picked it from @rajfortyseven

Precision, Perfection and Accuracy have been Hallmarks of IAF Golden Strikes in Pakistan: Targets Obliterated from the Face of Earth

Author: Colonel Vinayak Bhat (Retd)​

Precision, Perfection and Accuracy have been Hallmarks of IAF Golden Strikes in Pakistan: Targets Obliterated from the Face of Earth

Pakistan's efforts at safeguarding their assets by hiding them in HDBTs have failed miserably, and the ingenuity of IAF in striking these

capsindia.org

 

[Roshan]

The Ukrainian NATO adventure deep inside Russia has jolted my understanding of modern warfare. The probability of such events happening in our own backyard is increasing with each passing day. Vulnerabilities are growing, and the risk of escalatory conflict is no longer distant. This drone threat needs to be addressed urgently. Our airbases, whether on the western or eastern borders, are extremely vulnerable — surrounded by dense populations and slums. These are deeply worrisome times. Maintaining 100% operational readiness, 365 days a year, is the only viable solution. If you lower your guard, a $500 drone can destroy equipment worth $100 million in no time. May Lord Hanuman guard us in these precarious times."

AFAIK most military bases have a drone free zone of a few km around them in India now. It's meant especially for those drone cameras but it covers these type of drones too and HVT in urban areas have ADS systems around them.

 

[Anants]

Dropped a bomb thru a 45 cm air vent from 200 kms away ? That's ~ 18" . What about CEP ? What's he talking about ?

If he's in the business of propaganda I don't mind this a bit to troll the Paxtanis . If he's a genuine handle which is what I think he's attempting to be , he needs to get a hold on himself.

They did not target ventilation shaft, but concrete pillarless central underground dome. This is what Col Raj47 article states. They might have used ventilation shaft as an indication where the central dome could lie.

 

[Azaad]

they picked it from @rajfortyseven

They did not target ventilation shaft, but concrete pillarless central underground dome. This is what Col Raj47 article states. They might have used ventilation shaft as an indication where the central dome could lie.

If the idea was to penetrate the underground bunker which is what seems logical , the best way to do so would be through penetration cum blast missile carrying warhead.

Haven't read the article but if it's suggesting a missile slipped thru the air vent 18" wide that's either unbelievable accuracy or the guy's talking thru his hat .

 

[Captscooby]

Rafale cost
Around 90-100 million a piece
F4 trance

Total cost includes spares and weapons package
With LCC package included

And we had already paid in the first deal only to create support infra for another 2 more Sqns ..So better to give the follow on order for 2 more Sqns at least . rather than running the clown show of new MRFA all again . I know it is lack of funds which is pushing us from not doing anything on MRFA then why to keep fooling ourselves with this new trail programs or tenders , just order half a Sqn of Rafale every year with your budget instead for a start .

But ya anymore R will only need to be confirmed after the froggies give us integration of Meteor in the current fleet .

 

[Roshan]

Folks, a few things to be wary of.

Ukraine's strikes on Russia now can militarily warrant the use of nuclear warheads. At least on paper, strategically speaking, a nuclear exchange is a very logical retaliation. And tbh, from what I can see, that is exactly what the West seems to want. NATO is an incredibly expeditionary wolf hiding in sheep's clothing. This will go either way from here on:

1st possibility: the US and the West manage to force Putin into a ceasefire on terms that unilaterally favour Ukraine, dealing a massive blow to Putin, almost guaranteeing a change in regime through internal unrest in Russia.

2nd possibility: Putin escalates to small-scale nuclear payloads on Ukrainian strategic locations. NATO and the US get to test their BMD systems and strategic nukes and then essentially drag Russia through the mud, Gutenberg style, leaving Russia no longer a superpower, potentially broken up even more, or run by a puppet "democracy". This might sound crazy, but do not for a second think that it's too improbable. Trump is out on a mission to MAGA, AND he proclaims himself to be the saviour of peace. For him, or for that matter, anyone in NATO, a few Ukrainians killed and a few generations ruined from nuclear strikes, is a very small price to pay in a country that has a history of nuclear fallout. Moreover, Ukrainians or other central asians are essentially a propaganda tool for the West, like the Islamist jihadis. In other words, Ukrainians ko shaheed bana ke West khud ghazi banne ke mood mein hai. After they're done with them, they'll be treated like low-life commie-reject brothel-bouncers by the rest of Europe.

You'll notice that both of the above possibilities are extremes. I believe that after all this time, the War is now stuck in a stalemate where any kind of escalation or de-escalation that isn't either of the above will eventually lead to one or the other. Because Zelensky is a rabid dog, and Putin will go down fighting, but won't give in to terms that unilaterally favour Ukraine. The only actual solution to this conflict is to take out either of them.

Now, my purpose in writing all this is to explore India's options in this whole scenario.

From my perspective, the US is digging its own grave economically, and Russia is doing the same militarily. The last 5 years and now Trump have confirmed a few things for me. The primary of which is, this multipolarity in world affairs today is just a transitional period.

I'll refrain from predicting what the eventual new world order will look like, but a few things to keep in mind.

The US economy is on the brink of possibly the worst crash. I'm shitting my pants thinking about it but it's a fact. If the Trump admin doesn't fix the tax brackets and reduce expenditure but instead increases the national debt threshold again, then combine that with the tariff jumla, the US is looking at what can be called de-industrialisation. Now that I think of it, perfect reason for the US to let Russia do something crazy so that the market takes a temporary hit while US investors make a crap ton of money off of the defence industrial complex and then later fix the markets using the spoils of War.

Russia's military campaign into Ukraine is essentially choked now. Putin miscalculated the initial blitzkrieg, and now he's finding it hard to sustain not only the military but also his economy. He isn't making any money from his military exports cause he can't sell much at the moment. His primary trading partners, the EU, are buying maybe 20% of what they used to. He's having to sell resources to China for pennies on the dollar, and Xi is trying to outrank Russia as the ultimate Red state. His internal politics is being held together simply by hopes and dreams. So his only options are to give in or see this War to its logical end. Either way, Russia will not come out of this stronger. Rather, they'll be set back at least a decade.

This is a very tense geopolitical climate, but for India, this can be an amazing opportunity. A lot is being done right at the moment, with the independent trading deals with companies. This essentially provides an all-weather raincoat to India's foreign economic interests. With this, India should start to campaign aggressively now more than ever to get into the UNSC permanent members table, OR set up a parallel where India holds disproportionate power.

Additionally, India needs to seriously look elsewhere for military tech. Depending on Russia is suicidal right now because Russia is NOT in a state to effectively help with the supply, manufacturing of any military equipment. AND, India has prior experience with Russian "Full tech transfer" through the Su-30 program. Our best bet right now for fighter engine tech would be France. If need be just buy the rights to engine for whatever obscene amount Safran wants and then mass produce that shit in India. Also, join the 6th gen fighter program of the EU with the sole intention of gaining expertise in the design phase, then back out during production like France did with the Eurofighter Typhoon. Roll out Tejas Mk 1As asap and then fast-track the AMCA. If the AMCA induction into the IAF can be preponed by 2-3 years, then India can have a near 6th Gen Mk 2 ready by 2040.

In terms of trade and economy, I think we're doing exactly what is needed. We're too big a market that can afford anything the world has to sell. And, we are the largest suppliers of many essential goods and resources. This is a kind of permanent influence rather than an artificial one created by the likes of the US and China on world trade.

Finally, India needs to recognize that our primary and ONLY long-term competitors are China on every single front. We need to engage with them accordingly.

This is a bit of an overreaction IMO. Yes it reflects poorly on the Russian and brings more new variables into play but in terms of the larger strategic picture this attack doesn't really change anything. When it is no longer fresh in people's memory that is how they will see it.

 

[Yt2211]

Dropped a bomb thru a 45 cm air vent from 200 kms away ? That's ~ 18" . What about CEP ? What's he talking about ?

If he's in the business of propaganda I don't mind this a bit to troll the Paxtanis . If he's a genuine handle which is what I think he's attempting to be , he needs to get a hold on himself.

He is quoting this report
https://capsindia.org/precision-per...n-targets-obliterated-from-the-face-of-earth/

 

[Captscooby]

tbh the desperation with which the ruzzians are trying to peddle the plane to us with their patented disinfo campaigns and "package deals" they are offering in public, Has me worried abt the plane's effectiveness now more than before

My most real and serious concern of this offer is not the capabilities of SU-57 or TOT ..But the tag of HAL production this scares me more than the product . Russkies love DPSU because if there is any delay from their side they can simply escape putting the blame on our DPSU work culture which is known to everyone has timelines are never meet and deliveries are delayed .

So i would so no HAL ..give it to private player or conglomerate of companies to build it together

 

[JConline]

This is a bit of an overreaction IMO. Yes it reflects poorly on the Russian and brings more new variables into play but in terms of the larger strategic picture this attack doesn't really change anything. When it is no longer fresh in people's memory that is how they will see it.

Out of 127 strategic bombers, 41 were destroyed in the attack, AND reportedly one nuclear sub was damaged. These assets are stationed in 5 high-value military bases DEEP inside Russia.
NATO can claim ignorance, but this attack couldn't have happened without American satellite guidance. Starlink is just being used as an excuse. Reportedly, this was in the works for a year and a half. This is a major escalation. To add to that, Russia was caught with their pants down and sleeping. AND Putin has called it Russia's Pearl Harbour.

This is pretty much Putin's agnee pariksha. If he doesn't yield the hammer now, his power, along with the deterrence that is Russian military might, will fall apart. I honestly don't see Russia managing to save face after Op Spider.

Give this a listen:


View: https://www.youtube.com/live/wo-EOc4UnHE?si=cdpIF7w4cFUurV7e

 

[Captscooby]

Yeah, no. The J-20 is far more advanced. What we need to do is improve our economy, science and tech base and invest in AMCA. The Su-57 is not a proper fifth gen aircraft.

The real problem is not in investing in AMCA the real problem is the next war is not going to wait till you get your AMCA delivered .

Can we with authority declared after 2019 Balakot that we won't have pahalgam in 2025 and need to fly our jets again for A2G attack ?

What is the assurance PLA won't pull adventure of Arunachal or Sikkim by 2030 ?

Our enemies are not going to wait till we are equal to them in weapon to weapon to strike us .. They will do when you are weaker and inferior to their weapons .

Which is why letting Porki pigs get away with ceasefire is himalayan blunder for us which will come to bite very hard in future .

 

[Adibot]

The real problem is not in investing in AMCA the real problem is the next war is not going to wait till you get your AMCA delivered .

Can we with authority declared after 2019 Balakot that we won't have pahalgam in 2025 and need to fly our jets again for A2G attack ?

What is the assurance PLA won't pull adventure of Arunachal or Sikkim by 2030 ?

Our enemies are not going to wait till we are equal to them in weapon to weapon to strike us .. They will do when you are weaker and inferior to their weapons .

Which is why letting Porki pigs get away with ceasefire is himalayan blunder for us which will come to bite very hard in future .

2030 ?
An attack is imminent before this decade ends

 

[Adibot]

It took pahalgaam and Op Sindoor for court to agree to kick illegals out. Chd is under Center even MCD is under BJP. Whats stops them dunno.

Vishwaguru wet dreams and muh peace ki aasha
This government still doesn't understands how to be decisive
I had made a mindmap of all the issue India would face in future while the 2024 election was going and curbing the judiciary was one of them

 

[redpanda]

Vishwaguru wet dreams and muh peace ki aasha
This government still doesn't understands how to be decisive
I had made a mindmap of all the issue India would face in future while the 2024 election was going and curbing the judiciary was one of them

They have tried to reform the judiciary in the past. Remember NJAC. What happened to that? Judiciary basically declared it unconstitutional as per their whim to save themselves. Now if they do bring something like that again, same thing will happen. Those judges in SC can reject anything declaring it unconstitutional that tries to reform judiciary. Nothing stops them from doing that.