Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

This is what Paki’s new wishlist is going to be from their daddies:
- loitering munitions
- some sort of supersonic missile capability
- QR-SAM/MR-SAM
- military satellites
- pl15 missiles
- a big loan to buy all that.


Keep an eye out for their purchases and we will know what they are planning for next time.

 

[Savageking456]

praying that we do kek, is there some specific intelligence they have?

Yep they sort of think that to protect our naval assets we could attack them on their forward deployed airbases which they could use aginst on our carrier battle group
That's why the exercise notam is kept

 

[Tumba]

This is what Paki’s new wishlist is going to be from their daddies:
- loitering munitions
- some sort of supersonic missile capability
- QR-SAM/MR-SAM
- military satellites
- pl15 missiles
- a big loan to buy all that.


Keep an eye out for their purchases and we will know what they are planning for next time.

Well USA has already done the loan part through World Bank and IMF and Chinis are ready taking that USD …

basically US paying China to arm thr shared whore

 

[shankyz]

Is this source reliable? I've never heard of it before. If it is, it's farcical that we did not let Tejas have his first kill. Like, I greatly appreciate the strikes deep in enemy territory and that too in broad daylight but come on! It would've been such a confidence boosting move for IAF in HAL/ADA products. Hope that achieving a lock-on did the job on that front though.

The article seems exaggerated/ fake.

How the hell can a fighter jet escort transport helicopters to the frontline ?

 

[Miss Firing]

When USA has already done the loan part through World Bank and IMF and Chinis are ready taking that USD …

basically US paying China to arm thr shared whore

Hope USA gets some bugs from it's CCP "partner" in crime

 

[vampyrbladez]

The burning of the C-130(s?) is the clearest evidence we have.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/1kiyi3j/clearer_footage_of_a_c130_burning_at_noor_khan_afb/
Pakis posted a video of an aircraft seat that was ejected. I have no idea as to which one of their aircrafts this could've belonged to. Hopefully a knowledgeable member could help identify?

View: https://x.com/ConflictMoniter/status/1920029057829175494

This one is a twin seater Mirage V crashed in Pakistan on 15th April 2025.

PAF aircraft crashes near Vehari with 2 pilots on board

A Pakistan Air Force training aircraft crashed near Vehari due to a technical fault. Both pilots ejected safely and sustained minor injuries.

www.samaa.tv

 

[ezsasa]

GoI it's various arms including our security managers seem to forget that while Paxtan is but a distraction it serves the purpose of sharpening our skills doctrines tactics & strategy across multiple dimensions for the ultimate test - China.

You'd get a second or third or fourth if not multiple chances against them for after all they're our brother in arms . Pun unintended.

You're not going to get second chances with the Chinese.

Our establishment by choosing to field the CDS for a convention in Singapore before releasing a comprehensive report on the entire campaign inclusive of wins losses lessons learnt etc is putting the cart before the horse.

Apparently it is understood that the CDS was fielded before the foreign media coz the JCoS from Paxtan was there & the Chinese Defence Minister was expected there which would've meant multiple interviews to these outlets.

The Indian CDS refusing interviews to the foreign media would appear churlish & cowardly . Hence the multiple interviews

My position is very simple - weren't the security establishment aware of the Shangri-La Conference or was there some confusion about who was to represent us there?

If the CDS was chosen at the last minute wasn't it a given he'd have to face the international media ? Why wasn't the report timed to come out with his departure to Singapore ?

Why aren't all these things co ordinated ? By bringing out the report now it seems more like rationalisation if not a fait accompli & not does not possess the tone or tenor or the strut of a successful side.

Unfortunately , we still haven't learnt to act like we've won even when we've won .

on this CDS interview episode, with in the larger context of high stakes rapid chess played during op sindoor, and the public reaction to the statements made by CDS post the main events of op sindoor.

you think the public are ready or will be ready for next round of rapid chess, if and when it happens?

ready in terms of do's and don'ts, when operation is still on.

it is clear, there can't be user guide with exact instructions before hand on do's and don'ts, situation will be evolving as per moves of counter moves of that day. largely it will depend on good faith understanding on public's part on which is forward and which is backward direction.

what happens next time, if this public behaviour is weaponized by adversary during peak of action next time?

 

[cicada3307]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xfSVTQU5-M

 

[Anants]

More than showing hurry in setting up RoE restrictions for Indian Military during conflict engagement with Pakistan, Govt must set RoE for Indian Brass on how to(or not to) engage with media. Remarkbly public was largely adhering to opsec and backing Govt narrative to full. Its from the Govt officials esp military higher ups that confused or vague official statements that seemed to challenge their own narrative have come up lately. Even if some (forgien) media houses twisted their statements as some imply - no one from govt officially refuted them. Govt must polish its defence dept pr game.

 

[ezsasa]

More than showing hurry in setting up RoE restrictions for Indian Military during conflict engagement with Pakistan, Govt must set RoE for Indian Brass on how to(or not to) engage with media. Remarkbly public was largely adhering to opsec and backing Govt narrative to full. Its from the Govt officials esp military higher ups that confused or vague official statements that seemed to challenge their own narrative have come up lately. Even if some (forgien) media houses twisted their statements as some imply - no one from govt officially refuted them. Govt must polish its defence dept pr game.

keep aside reaction of public at large for a moment, atleast members of this forum who have access to more elaborate info on military should be well aware of the fact the script will not go as per our expectations all the time. as and when script does not go as per expectations, there should be self awareness on how to handle it.

if we transpose the current phenomenon of realtime information overload to 1971, there would be more outrage over gormint PR releasing "wrong" pics of tangail paradrop than the actual event and related outcome itself.

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/i/status/1929740248398843960

 

[whatever]

View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1930117506192068941
Tf is happening in the geopolitical scheme of things, we seem to taking L's in the international space. Is US hell bent on cornering India? What can you all make out of this move?

 

[Adibot]

View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1930117506192068941
Tf is happening in the geopolitical scheme of things, we seem to taking L's in the international space. Is US hell bent on cornering India? What can you all make out of this move?

Definitely facilitated by US
Remember the crypto deal?
We are gonna be propped as a terror hub in coming days and government isn't ready
We need to predict what's Trump's game plan here

 

[Anants]

keep aside reaction of public at large for a moment, atleast members of this forum who have access to more elaborate info on military should be well aware of the fact the script will not go as per our expectations all the time. as and when script does not go as per expectations, there should be self awareness on how to handle it.

if we transpose the current phenomenon of realtime information overload to 1971, there would be more outrage over gormint PR releasing "wrong" pics of tangail paradrop than the actual event and related outcome itself.

Actually more than opinions of the members of this forum, what is expressed by higher Govt officials on International fora matters - because that shapes narratives. DFB as you know from experience shall have its mood swings. But it was nice surprise that most of the DFB showed remarkable control in its emotions and excitement and refrained from sharing anything that violates opsec. Mood swings were also controlled - compared to what we saw during previous op. I am pretty sure there shall be learnings for DFB members.

But given the kind of information savvy world we are living in now compared to 71 - where for most people only sources of news were govt guided newspapers and radio - which allowed gaffes not to affect public morale much. In today's world both public and Govt machinery need to be PR smart and be aware information warfare game and must train at least its officers to maintain official lines at all cost and swat any attempt to twist their stance.

 

[Azaad]

on this CDS interview episode, with in the larger context of high stakes rapid chess played during op sindoor, and the public reaction to the statements made by CDS post the main events of op sindoor.

you think the public are ready or will be ready for next round of rapid chess, if and when it happens?

ready in terms of do's and don'ts, when operation is still on.

it is clear, there can't be user guide with exact instructions before hand on do's and don'ts, situation will be evolving as per moves of counter moves of that day. largely it will depend on good faith understanding on public's part on which is forward and which is backward direction.

what happens next time, if this public behaviour is weaponized by adversary during peak of action next time?

The CDS episode comes only towards the end of a media campaign one can best describe as bureaucratic which is neither here nor there types.

Let me take it a few notches above - if the public at large didn't have access to the various videos the Paxtanis themselves uploaded real time of the various strikes being carried out there , do you think our media campaign would've been half as effective as we think it is ?

And to think Fauji Foundation lifted the ban on Twitter in between Operation Sindoor not to mention poorly police their internet including the VPNs their citizens accessed to access X . If anything they struck more own goals than we did. Hence my earlier description of them being brother in arms , tongue in cheek.

Now replace Paxtan with China where we already begin with a huge disadvantage in practically every parameter of comparison between our armed forces whereas they are past masters in the art of IW with tight controls in place on their internet & imagine how will it go in the information domain for us ?

Let's not forget the mood of our nation was really ugly following the killings in Pahalgam not just for the killings something we're inured to given the many Paxtani sponsored massacres over the years in that region & the rest of India but it was the religious targeting that blackened the mood.

Why exactly do you think the opposition especially the likes of Owaisi did what they did ? It was just impossible for them to express doubts about this being a government engineered event in the way certain quarters alluded to what happened in Pulwama 6 years ago or this government's response to it , the upcoming elections no doubt playing an important role in their reaction to those events .

Owaisi brothers target Modi

AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi has hit out at Prime Minister Narendra Modi over the Pulwama attack and asked whether he "slept after eating beef biryani" while 40 CRPF men died.

www.deccanherald.com

 

[ezsasa]

Actually more than opinions of the members of this forum, what is expressed by higher Govt officials on International fora matters - because that shapes narratives. DFB as you know from experience shall have its mood swings. But it was nice surprise that most of the DFB showed remarkable control in its emotions and excitement and refrained from sharing anything that violates opsec. Mood swings were also controlled - compared to what we saw during previous op. I am pretty sure there shall be learnings for DFB members.

But given the kind of information savvy world we are living in now compared to 71 - where for most people only sources of news were govt guided newspapers and radio - which allowed gaffes not to affect public morale much. In today's world both public and Govt machinery need to be PR smart and be aware information warfare game and must train at least its officers to maintain official lines at all cost and swat any attempt to twist their stance.

it's a given, that public and gormint machinery have to be PR smart. i have written on absence of strat. comm. strategy. this time i saw evidence of existence of one. it's an evolutionary strategy by it's nature, from my perspective it should be allowed breathing space to evolve.

it was demonstrated during op sindoor. for example: IAF thru their sources seems to have told journos that, when it comes to press conferences having learnt lessons from 2019, they will not emphasise on info where they don't have corresponding evidence to back that info, because naysayers/professional baiters will shift focus to missing tile than the larger picture. IAF has largely succeeded.

lessons learnt form 2016, were utilised in 2019,
lessons learnt from 2019, were utilised in 2025,
lessons learnt from 2025, we have to assume will be utilised when ever the next event occurs.

there is gap of years, between each event. meaning for us to find out, if the inputs have been taken onboard, it takes years to find out depending on pakjabi itch.

it so happened this time, since journos went overboard with fog of war on that night, foreign naysayers are using behaviour of journos to invalidate all info coming from India.

 

[Azaad]

Actually more than opinions of the members of this forum, what is expressed by higher Govt officials on International fora matters - because that shapes narratives. DFB as you know from experience shall have its mood swings. But it was nice surprise that most of the DFB showed remarkable control in its emotions and excitement and refrained from sharing anything that violates opsec. Mood swings were also controlled - compared to what we saw during previous op. I am pretty sure there shall be learnings for DFB members.

But given the kind of information savvy world we are living in now compared to 71 - where for most people only sources of news were govt guided newspapers and radio - which allowed gaffes not to affect public morale much. In today's world both public and Govt machinery need to be PR smart and be aware information warfare game and must train at least its officers to maintain official lines at all cost and swat any attempt to twist their stance.

I remember my folks recounting to us people tuning into BBC radio back in the day for confirmation IG was assassinated coz government controlled media read DD & Akashwani never even broadcast news of an attempted assassination leave aside her being assassinated for a long time.

Tells you the inordinate trust people then placed in foreign media especially the BBC to inform them of inconvenient news.

I'd still point out to the media briefings a joint team of the MEA & MoD conducted during Operation Vijay.

Who here growing up then doesn't recall the fine job they did then when names like Tiger Hill , Tololing & other such irrelevant geographical features to a lay man were seared into their imagination along with the deeds of our lads like Capt Vikram Batra , Capt Manoj Pandey and scores of young men who made the ultimate sacrifice ?!

The local media no doubt played their part in turning them into legends by lionising them & their deeds apart from burnishing their own credentials during the conflict , notably NDTV & Panauti .

 

[Anants]

it so happened this time, since journos went overboard with fog of war on that night, foreign naysayers are using behaviour of journos to invalidate all info coming India.

Yes agree it was pretty much so. Especially when The Hindu, Barkha and even Aroor went overboard. It was timely swatted. It would have died down barring bloomberg gaffe. A smart previous used statement during ops on the line "All pilots returned unharmed during ops Sindoor" given as reply to Bloomberg and proceeded to answer same line to each and every variation of same question - would have further diluted opposition narrative.

But I guess as you said hopefully All shall learn from this incident and control and present information better cohesively next time.

 

[ezsasa]

The CDS episode comes only towards the end of a media campaign one can best describe as bureaucratic which is neither here nor there types.

Let me take it a few notches above - if the public at large didn't have access to the various videos the Paxtanis themselves uploaded real time of the various strikes being carried out there , do you think our media campaign would've been half as effective as we think it is ?

And to think Fauji Foundation lifted the ban on Twitter in between Operation Sindoor not to mention poorly police their internet including the VPNs their citizens accessed to access X . If anything they struck more own goals than we did. Hence my earlier description of them being brother in arms , tongue in cheek.

Now replace Paxtan with China where we already begin with a huge disadvantage in practically every parameter of comparison between our armed forces whereas they are past masters in the art of IW with tight controls in place on their internet & imagine how will it go in the information domain for us ?

Let's not forget the mood of our nation was really ugly following the killings in Pahalgam not just for the killings something we're inured to given the many Paxtani sponsored massacres over the years in that region & the rest of India but it was the religious targeting that blackened the mood.

Why exactly do you think the opposition especially the likes of Owaisi did what they did ? It was just impossible for them to express doubts about this being a government engineered event in the way certain quarters alluded to what happened in Pulwama 6 years ago or this government's response to it , the upcoming elections no doubt playing an important role in their reaction to those events .

Owaisi brothers target Modi

AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi has hit out at Prime Minister Narendra Modi over the Pulwama attack and asked whether he "slept after eating beef biryani" while 40 CRPF men died.

www.deccanherald.com

just to remind ourselves, just a day or two after apr 22, gormint thru their channels, let the people know that disturbing communal harmony is one of the goals of this attack, hence the candle light march in j&k. gormint/nationalists had already planted the idea thru various podcasts with ex-security officers, reminding the public of 92 blasts and why sanjay dutt had ak in his possession.

 

[ezsasa]

I remember my folks recounting to us people tuning into BBC radio back in the day for confirmation IG was assassinated coz government controlled media read DD & Akashwani never even broadcast news of an attempted assassination leave aside her being assassinated for a long time.

Tells you the inordinate trust people then placed in foreign media especially the BBC to inform them of inconvenient news.

I'd still point out to the media briefings a joint team of the MEA & MoD conducted during Operation Vijay.

Who here growing up then doesn't recall the fine job they did then when names like Tiger Hill , Tololing & other such irrelevant geographical features to a lay man were seared into their imagination along with the deeds of our lads like Capt Vikram Batra , Capt Manoj Pandey and scores of young men who made the ultimate sacrifice ?!

The local media no doubt played their part in turning them into legends by lionising them & their deeds apart from burnishing their own credentials during the conflict , notably NDTV & Panauti .

now there is a gormint advisory, to MSM and SM not to inconvenience family members of national heroes unnecessarily.