Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Brood Father said:
Does buying 114 birds will guarantee that source code will be shared
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IAF shouldn't go for more Rafales and use those funds elsewhere. By the time these are likely to inducted in numbers, PLAAF will have substantial fleet of 5th and 6th gen. Maybe even PAF will be operating 6th gen. Over the last 10 years, PLAAF has built a well integrated ecosystem in which their platforms and weapons can operate effectively. The same is being built on Pakistan front too. Chinese are now building them up overtly as a counter balance to India (especially IAF).

SU30MKI is really versatile platform, I think focus should be on upgrading them and maybe acquiring more of these as the backbone of IAF. It can serve as:
- great SOW platform with Brahmos ER, NG, Rudram 2 & Rudram 3
- SEAD & DEAD with Rudram 2 & 3
- Controller for loyal wingman UAVs
- Decent air-to-air with Virupaksha AESA and new longer range BVRs operating in the IAF ecosystem (IACCS).

Other than this maybe inducting LCA mk1A in numbers to at-least match JF17 numbers [around 180]. Focus on getting LCA mk2 and AMCA through development and testing ASAP.

Also missile arsenal size will be a factor, PSUs current rate of production is abysmal. For tactical ASM, Brahmos and ballistic missile, I think the arsenal should ideally be at-least 2x of Pakistan and 35% of PLA arsenal.

In my opinion, if any third party platform that makes sense buying from outside (capability wise) is 1-2 squadrons of F35A with AIM120C8s and AARGM-ER. Even if they are minimally integrated within IAF ecosystem, these operating by themselves will be a force to reckon with.
 
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Brood Father said:
Even this guy is making sense because of incompetence of Leaderji .. times we are living in

View: https://x.com/PravinSawhney/status/1930434066454827375
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This swiney knows nothing about tech. He uses the term “digital ecosystem “ which no one uses in the military world. It is network centric warfare, C4I, C&C, integrated air defense, layered air defense, ELINT, attack vectors etc. In almost all his twats, he does not use the popular terminologies. If you are a defense analyst, the first thing is to get your terminologies right. This fuddu is the laal topi of India.
 
Drwho said:
This is weird after hearing world media :
Trump said he stop the war after call from both country
Russia saying same thing
Pakistan saying same thing
Euro block saying same thing .


Only Indian govt is saying otherwise that too not directly but on some indirect forum in some indirect words.

Who is delusional us or rest of everybody.
What ever be the case this narrative war is 100% won by porky 🐖. Our govt is useless even the top official are saying random thing. Media is worst in the world we all know.

They govt or top official babu have no direct answer to Pakistan jets or chowki won. They are just air fairy fluff galoozzy.

Only thanks to our air defence which we witnessed with our own eyes.

Rest everything we take on their words, but we do need face saving in eyes of the the world. Something drastic is needed.

Ab jingoistic lobu mere piche na pade. I am just uttering truth you guys just ignore reality and carry on with day dreaming.
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call from both county or after talking with both countries ?, cause later makes sense if he wants to declare a ceasefire both sides are needed. what exactly is unclear here ?

russia and euro will repeat the what everybody is saying and rn the the official news is ceasefire happened , ceasefire no matter initiated from no matter which side, requires agreement of both sides to be in effect,

people need to stop trying to overanalyze words. this is non-issue here.
 
Can anyone confirm me if IAF Rafales are flying with Meteors? Is there any photos available? It seems a tricky topic, and I don't understand how it is not integrated with Rafale as it is a part its standard weapons package from the beginning. Meteors don't have to be guided by IAF Awacs datalink as someone mistakenly gave reference to a tweet referring to SDR integration onto Rafales being the problem for not integrating Meteor. Rafale's own Radar can guide the Meteor upto its terminal phase as the radar is long ranged and capable
 
Drwho said:
This is weird after hearing world media :
Trump said he stop the war after call from both country
Russia saying same thing
Pakistan saying same thing
Euro block saying same thing .


Only Indian govt is saying otherwise that too not directly but on some indirect forum in some indirect words.

Who is delusional us or rest of everybody.
What ever be the case this narrative war is 100% won by porky 🐖. Our govt is useless even the top official are saying random thing. Media is worst in the world we all know.

They govt or top official babu have no direct answer to Pakistan jets or chowki won. They are just air fairy fluff galoozzy.

Only thanks to our air defence which we witnessed with our own eyes.

Rest everything we take on their words, but we do need face saving in eyes of the the world. Something drastic is needed.

Ab jingoistic lobu mere piche na pade. I am just uttering truth you guys just ignore reality and carry on with day dreaming.
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Rest everything?
Like all those Pakistani bases and Terror mosques.. with the missile penetrating the 3 gumbaz with pin point precision doesn't count..
Those destroyed hangars and pin point strikes on Runways don't count ?
Dude you need to be less insecure..
 
redpanda said:
Agreed. I'm tired of this tom cooper circle jerking by Indians. Too much bhakti of any firang expat is not good idea. We should not make them the infallible. What if tomorrow this same guy gets ISPR paycheck and starts writing stuff against India.
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Tom Cooper is the same person who said there wasn’t sufficient evidence to prove the success of the Balakot airstrikes, although he did acknowledge that an F-16 was shot down that day.
 
snakeeyes07 said:
IAF shouldn't go for more Rafales and use those funds elsewhere. By the time these are likely to inducted in numbers, PLAAF will have substantial fleet of 5th and 6th gen. Maybe even PAF will be operating 6th gen. Over the last 10 years, PLAAF has built a well integrated ecosystem in which their platforms and weapons can operate effectively. The same is being built on Pakistan front too. Chinese are now building them up overtly as a counter balance to India (especially IAF).

SU30MKI is really versatile platform, I think focus should be on upgrading them and maybe acquiring more of these as the backbone of IAF. It can serve as:
- great SOW platform with Brahmos ER, NG, Rudram 2 & Rudram 3
- SEAD & DEAD with Rudram 2 & 3
- Controller for loyal wingman UAVs
- Decent air-to-air with Virupaksha AESA and new longer range BVRs operating in the IAF ecosystem (IACCS).

Other than this maybe inducting LCA mk1A in numbers to at-least match JF17 numbers [around 180]. Focus on getting LCA mk2 and AMCA through development and testing ASAP.

Also missile arsenal size will be a factor, PSUs current rate of production is abysmal. For tactical ASM, Brahmos and ballistic missile, I think the arsenal should ideally be at-least 2x of Pakistan and 35% of PLA arsenal.

In my opinion, if any third party platform that makes sense buying from outside (capability wise) is 1-2 squadrons of F35A with AIM120C8s and AARGM-ER. Even if they are minimally integrated within IAF ecosystem, these operating by themselves will be a force to reckon with.
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Buying more rafale is far more pragmatic than a new platform and that too F35 the white elephant . Atleast so many works have been done , so much money has been spent . Now with news of TATA partnering to make the airframe of rafale , it is more lucrative . But we must get the source code .
 
sameer said:
The truth is that we don't know. It's all speculative at this point. Infact we don't even know whether the Rafale(if it was downed) happened by an A2A or if it was a SAM. Only one engine was found at the debris site, the other engine either it was cleaned up or maybe it fell somewhere else.

There's not much information out there, so everyone will draw their own conclusions. Honestly, IMO if the Rafale did go down, it is most likely due to restrictive RoE, not because it was supposedly not "datalinked with AEW". The FCR on Rafale(which can track targets upto 200km) is plenty good enough to guide the mica/Meteor.

The gormint has already clarified that next time we will hit Paki military directly.
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I am assuming that PAF did something unexpected during initial skirmish based on CDS comment and posts by defence journalist. Because guiding missiles by FCR in Track While Scan would not trigger RWR of target, so it will be silent launch and would have been expected by us. Maybe the way PAF fighters were maneuvering gave IAF an impression that hadn't been launched upon. Maybe our EW or other detection system didn't catch it.

View: https://x.com/VJSWRITER/status/1929093301124149301
 
MasterChief said:
Rest everything?
Like all those Pakistani bases and Terror mosques.. with the missile penetrating the 3 gumbaz with pin point precision doesn't count..
Those destroyed hangars and pin point strikes on Runways don't count ?
Dude you need to be less insecure..
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Ofcourse that counts but these suaar have ai and they spread so much propaganda that they have spread fake videos all around.
I never doubt the war infect I agree just as much as you and most other jingo kidos as well.

But our narrative is missing. It got displaced by their fake narrative.

Image is equally important. We need to come up with something substantial or talk direct. Not in circles.

When everyone is singing same raga we must understand and do something about it. Not for Indian public who don’t care but world.
 
Doreamon said:
Buying more rafale is far more pragmatic than a new platform and that too F35 the white elephant . Atleast so many works have been done , so much money has been spent . Now with news of TATA partnering to make the airframe of rafale , it is more lucrative . But we must get the source code .
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I think other than source code, having our own mission computer in Rafale would solve most of the teething problems.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
call from both county or after talking with both countries ?, cause later makes sense if he wants to declare a ceasefire both sides are needed. what exactly is unclear here ?

russia and euro will repeat the what everybody is saying and rn the the official news is ceasefire happened , ceasefire no matter initiated from no matter which side, requires agreement of both sides to be in effect,

people need to stop trying to overanalyze words. this is non-issue here.
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It does matter . Not to you but as a national image . It means more than anything else.

Look at china and USA as well both win the media battleground. May be they are not as advance but these images help them grow and show powerful and be respected.
 
snakeeyes07 said:
I am assuming that PAF did something unexpected during initial skirmish based on CDS comment and posts by defence journalist. Because guiding missiles by FCR in Track While Scan would not trigger RWR of target, so it will be silent launch and would have been expected by us. Maybe the way PAF fighters were maneuvering gave IAF an impression that hadn't been launched upon. Maybe our EW or other detection system didn't catch it.

View: https://x.com/VJSWRITER/status/1929093301124149301
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I love when Dehatis who have no knowledge about warfare use technical terms like Data collection , electronic counter measure vectors guidance systems. .
They look like a fool but we like it
 
Donald trump exposed as a pedo is that the reason for his sympathy for pakistan as he and his friends have been offered madarssas kids as child sex slaves by porki army hence he didn't put pakistan in it's muslim ban list.

Earlier they offered such services to arabs and this is the main reason for erdogand and azerbaijan president to support porkis as they both are known to sodomize kids.


View: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930706186266890457?t=kTAftQymTfZ_C1hgoyaFuw&s=19


View: https://x.com/balls_capital/status/1930709968371531792?t=ypBtagQjUQleX6olaCourQ&s=19
 
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