Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (51 Viewers)

[Guynxdor]

View: https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1932044873038696951?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

 

[sunnyv]

Everyone is talking about AAD -Akashteer / AI and C2 centre of Air-Defence, why so much bias towards Gunners. We have also given a thumping firepower retaliation to Porkies. Work done by Artillery Networked Integrated system ie our own SHAKTI (ACCS) is not getting recognized, there is feeling of jealous and being left out.
Firing solution and 3D simulation of projectile calculated by this system before flattening Neelam valley when Porkies ran for cover deserves recognition.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Everyone is talking about AAD -Akashteer / AI and C2 centre of Air-Defence, why so much bias towards Gunners. We have also given a thumping firepower retaliation to Porkies. Work done by Artillery Networked Integrated system ie our own SHAKTI (ACCS) is not getting recognized, there is feeling of jealous and being left out.
Firing solution and 3D simulation of projectile calculated by this system before flattening Neelam valley when Porkies ran for cover deserves recognition.

Absolutely, that and I was also impressed with how well the towed gun positions were camouflaged and protected using HESCO fortifications, based on what was shown in the media later.

There is also chatter about dismal combat performance of PCL-181, is there any substance to these. Also, based on whatever social media videos of their use in POJK were available, looks like the terrain restricts gun deployment quite a bit. They were only deployed and firing from wide valleys.

 

[sunnyv]

Absolutely, that and I was also impressed with how well the towed gun positions were camouflaged and protected using HESCO fortifications, based on what was shown in the media later.

There is also chatter about dismal combat performance of PCL-181, is there any substance to these. Also, based on whatever social media videos of their use in POJK were available, looks like the terrain restricts gun deployment quite a bit. They were only deployed and firing from wide valleys.

Yes, the terrain is limiting factor for any mounted Gun. We have seen that and experienced it in Galwan conflict . Imagine gun to be mobilized towards Leh, Depsang and DBO. Vajra surprisingly did come in handy. What Pakis thought would be a firepower advantage turned out be nightmare. If the 4x4 vehicle breaks down the gun is useless. If the gun develops fault while firing again its useless. Our Arty pgme is well thought and practical based on our ground and terrain experience.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Yes, the terrain is limiting factor for any mounted Gun. We have seen that and experienced it in Galwan conflict . Imagine gun to be mobilized towards Leh, Depsang and DBO. Vajra surprisingly did come in handy. What Pakis thought would be a firepower advantage turned out be nightmare. If the 4x4 vehicle breaks down the gun is useless. If the gun develops fault while firing again its useless. Our Arty pgme is well thought and practical based on our ground and terrain experience.

Pakistan tried blindly copying PLA but they should have considered that PLA deploys these guns mainly on the Tibet Plateau. The terrain there is more suited for mounted guns.

 

[Azaad]

As Pakistan fails to get into ‘expected’ UNSC panels, India in talks with friends

Sources in New York told The Indian Express that Pakistan demanded to be the chair of the 1267 Sanctions Committee; 1540 (Non-Proliferation) Sanctions Committee; 1988 (Taliban) Committee and Chair of the 1373 Counter Terrorism Committee (CTC).

indianexpress.com

 

[Asmodeus]

Pakistan’s Fake Nuclear Leak and U.S. Intervention

On May 10, the final day of Indian missile strikes, Pakistan claimed a radiation leak at its bombed nuclear site near Kirana Hills.

Was it real? ……Highly unlikely. Most evidence suggests the story was fabricated to draw American sympathy—and it worked.

Just one problem with that assumption. CIA is everywhere inside Porkyland and knows almost every single detail even more than porky themselves because of technology. (Satellites that detect radiation leak also available for civillians)

As far as decieving Americans is concerned, wignats let porky think they outsmarted them just to keep them happy. Afterall a willing and happy puppet is the best puppet there is!

 

[NerVik]

Quwa Group -> Although to be taken as pinch of salt, this is relatively less partial and more rational(although some part is dubious) and good analysis podcast by Pakistani British 2nd gen analysts who are engineers(1 aerospace, another scientist and so on). Its a must watch and they seem to have lot of inside news.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzrflQPLH_E&pp=ygUKcXV3YSBncm91cNIHCQmyCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PQQTXrZyU

Lmao you too fell for this new type of chooran porkies are selling. It's not a must watch for any sort of impartial or rational analysis. It's a must watch ONLY if you want to understand how the porkies think.

I listened to one of those two in its entirety. The only rational bit about their 1 hour episode was the brahmos bit that too ONLY because they need to somehow attribute the very public humiliation we dealt to them (the pictures and videos of all the damage we inflicted).

Heres a question, how can you downplay your opponents clear victory without appearing as downplaying? Here's one way: Attribute all their success to one wonder weapon, blame your leadership or spin it as restraint/rational thinking, be obtuse about the success of a couple of the enemies strategy and systems and ultimately just say we have everything the enemy has we just need to scale it up.

This is exactly what they are doing in the "rational" discussion. It's not "some part is dubious", most of it is dubious.
I will tell you what part is not dubious:
1. Effectiveness of brahmos (discussed for quiet a bit)
2. Effectiveness of our AD (discussed but not in detail, totally over looked Akash and DEW and other indian systems, attributing most of AD successes to foreign systems)

What is dubious in their discussion:
1. Their interception rate of drones and loitering munitions we fired (they mention it once something like we fired 24 drones but only 2 hit)
2. They hit a brahmos site and a s400 site
3. At no point they discuss the sheer volume of drones they fired on us
4. No mention of the HQ systems being hit
5. We used our equipment sooner because out plan a and plan b failed to do any significant damage but apparently their responses to our initial attack was enough in some ways.
6. They did not use their top tier equipment (in terms of missiles and drones and loitering munitions) unlike us.
7. No mention if their CM400 or some Chinese origin shit missile that we intercepted
8. Harping on about how they are a wonderful design heavy nation (da fuk they are) but not good into putting their amazing fantastic designs into production.
9. The usual, China saar, China this saar, China that saar.
10. The only two faults porkies did in this conflict is show too much restraint and not show enough evidence of their attack damage.

You fall for this then
1. You are porkie larping as indian or
2. You one of the hundreds of millions of Indians who fall for 2 sweet words but ignore the 1000 insults behind it.

 

[TopWatcher]

Everyone is talking about AAD -Akashteer / AI and C2 centre of Air-Defence, why so much bias towards Gunners. We have also given a thumping firepower retaliation to Porkies. Work done by Artillery Networked Integrated system ie our own SHAKTI (ACCS) is not getting recognized, there is feeling of jealous and being left out.
Firing solution and 3D simulation of projectile calculated by this system before flattening Neelam valley when Porkies ran for cover deserves recognition.

Absolutely everything works perfectly that's why we able to finish it in 4-5 days.

But u know joo dikhta hai woh bikta hai

Backend kaise kaam kar rahe hai woh koi nhi dekhta.

 

[jazzy_b]

View: https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1932044873038696951?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

This is a big catch and will help us a lot in future jamming techniques and spoofing tech.
Should not given be given to any random country for research purposes

 

[Nibbler]

Lmao you too fell for this new type of chooran porkies are selling. It's not a must watch for any sort of impartial or rational analysis. It's a must watch ONLY if you want to understand how the porkies think.

I listened to one of those two in its entirety. The only rational bit about their 1 hour episode was the brahmos bit that too ONLY because they need to somehow attribute the very public humiliation we dealt to them (the pictures and videos of all the damage we inflicted).

Heres a question, how can you downplay your opponents clear victory without appearing as downplaying? Here's one way: Attribute all their success to one wonder weapon, blame your leadership or spin it as restraint/rational thinking, be obtuse about the success of a couple of the enemies strategy and systems and ultimately just say we have everything the enemy has we just need to scale it up.

This is exactly what they are doing in the "rational" discussion. It's not "some part is dubious", most of it is dubious.
I will tell you what part is not dubious:
1. Effectiveness of brahmos (discussed for quiet a bit)
2. Effectiveness of our AD (discussed but not in detail, totally over looked Akash and DEW and other indian systems, attributing most of AD successes to foreign systems)

What is dubious in their discussion:
1. Their interception rate of drones and loitering munitions we fired (they mention it once something like we fired 24 drones but only 2 hit)
2. They hit a brahmos site and a s400 site
3. At no point they discuss the sheer volume of drones they fired on us
4. No mention of the HQ systems being hit
5. We used our equipment sooner because out plan a and plan b failed to do any significant damage but apparently their responses to our initial attack was enough in some ways.
6. They did not use their top tier equipment (in terms of missiles and drones and loitering munitions) unlike us.
7. No mention if their CM400 or some Chinese origin shit missile that we intercepted
8. Harping on about how they are a wonderful design heavy nation (da fuk they are) but not good into putting their amazing fantastic designs into production.
9. The usual, China saar, China this saar, China that saar.
10. The only two faults porkies did in this conflict is show too much restraint and not show enough evidence of their attack damage.

You fall for this then
1. You are porkie larping as indian or
2. You one of the hundreds of millions of Indians who fall for 2 sweet words but ignore the 1000 insults behind it.

I mean of course they aren't going to admit all their shortcomings and try to grasp at positive straws..


Their podcasts are different because pakistanis usually never admit their fears of india

They admit India won

They lay out their fears. A lot of which are beautiful to me hear.

Like this gem here:




I hope every anxiety patient in here sees this. Domestic production puts fear in enemy hearts. Imports don't.

 

[indrajit]

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/9ViSbqNWcYk?si=bQhYYrI5Qp-sD8y9

A must watch. Also explains what the American role was. Tells you exactly what happened - big picture.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

why didn't pakis used taimur Cruise missile during the operation, It was hyped up a lot by pigs to be used against indian HVTs.

 

[concard]

why didn't pakis used taimur Cruise missile during the operation, It was hyped up a lot by pigs to be used against indian HVTs.

Because the engine for their cruise missiles come from Ukraine like Turbo-jet in this case. Even the other cruise missiles like Ra'ad-II and Babur operate on Turbo-jet which is again imported from Ukraine. Ukraine supplies even the Tank engines and all the spares to them as well. Given the situation Ukraine is in right now, they know they are not getting shit. So they didn't want to waste their precious little of whatever stocks of missiles they had in their arsenal.

 

[NerVik]

I mean of course they aren't going to admit all their shortcomings and try to grasp at positive straws..


Their podcasts are different because pakistanis usually never admit their fears of india

They admit India won

They lay out their fears. A lot of which are beautiful to me hear.

Like this gem here:

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I hope every anxiety patient in here sees this. Domestic production puts fear in enemy hearts. Imports don't.

Like I said, they paid only cursory glance at our capabilities (admittedly they are quiet worried as evident even in the brief few minutes they do touch up on them). But for the most part their podcast was all about "we did not use our best weapons (we don't know why), but Indians used theirs because our jawab to their initial attacks was lajawab, we forced them" to "we have everything they have, we need to scale it up". Even when they discuss the bramhos and how difficult it is to counter it, they search for parity with us and claim they should/will build a comparable system to counter us.

And then there is the usual "China sàar".

 

[Nibbler]

Like I said, they paid only cursory glance at our capabilities (admittedly they are quiet worried as evident even in the brief few minutes they do touch up on them). But for the most part their podcast was all about "we did not use our best weapons (we don't know why), but Indians used theirs because our jawab to their initial attacks was lajawab, we forced them" to "we have everything they have, we need to scale it up". Even when they discuss the bramhos and how difficult it is to counter it, they search for parity with us and claim they should/will build a comparable system to counter us.

And then there is the usual "China sàar".

My comments are only to these two podcasts they publish

I don't put it past them to bait an audience then try switch up

Kind of like that Nutlickjeff on Twitter

 

[ChandraSingh]

why didn't pakis used taimur Cruise missile during the operation, It was hyped up a lot by pigs to be used against indian HVTs.

Sometimes it is better to not to use the weapon you tout as your best because you know it's inferior to your adversary's. So just keep the enemy guessing while putting with "restraint".

 

[Muzh]

I do hope you're wrong.

I would love to hear years from now that we got a few burgerchods too and that they were scurrying around after seeing only a handful of standoff munition explode so close to them.

My theory:

• Some burgers either were hurt or were very close to being hurt.
• They were in contact with USCENTCOM throughout the whole skirmish.
• Strikes happen, CENTCOM contacts DOD+Washington and confirm IAF is not stopping
• Combine the above with the fear of a balkanized pakistan, they had to say uncle(make pakis say uncle) before IAF pwnage got too extreme.
• The possibility of multiple US servicemen being liquidated in pakistan right after pakis launched a terrorist attack into India would be a major humiliation for everyone(State Dept, Washington, Intel-dipshits & DoD), especially since they would not have a justified reason to riposte militarily against "these bloody Indians". We did all of that without losing escalation dominance.
• Eventually, Vance intervenes, ONLY a few days after he confidently proclaimed to the world that this was not their conflict.

Spoiler: There was like back to back humbling for the burgers those few weeks. :hehe:

>Be Murica
>Send 2 carrier battle groups to pwn the Houthis
>Lose multi million dollar drones to basic bitch SAMs
>Lose FA-18s to "carrier maneuvers", Houthis say they shot them down
>F-35 turns tail after facing Houthi SAMs
>Trump declares victory, promises Houthis will stop, Murican media copes
>HOUTHIS DON'T STOP
>Wake up the next day to Indians decisively pwning your rabid dog
>Indians do airstrikes and A2AD better than you
>Rinse and Repeat

Amen to that.

I have not come across an official confirmation but based on all the money Pakistan is receiving from USA, it is highly likely that Pakistan will be used as a launchpad by USA against Iran. Thus, I would not be surprised if USA has started moving man and material to Pakistan. It is quite possible that some US assets were hit by Indian Air Force during Operation Sindhoor; I do not know. Eventually we will know. One thing is for sure, USA was not just hoping, it was casually sure that India would get hit by at least one Pakistanese nuclear bomb. USA did not expect that India would start bombing Pakistanese nuclear facilities. On the contrary, USA was expecting to put pressure on India using threats of Pakistanese nukes. However, once India started bombing Pakistanese nuclear facilities in the broad day light, US gamut to contain India fell apart.

China despite being a member of Troika supported Pakistan, initially. But as the conflict progressed, China realized that India was able to isolate Pakistan completely by jamming Chinese signals. At this point, China thought that it would be better to have India as a friend than enemy. So both India and China downplayed Chinese involvement in the conflict. Russians have been urging Chinese to mend fences with India; but China and USA thought, this was a great time to inflict wounds on India. This proved to be a big miscalculation.

As a side effect of Operation Sindhoor, for the first time, mainly after realizing India's military capabilities, Chinese are really sincerely interested in Troika.

 

[Muzh]

I get your point and agree to an extent.

The US was certainly taken aback by our offensive capability but what would have really hurt is our defensive capability that prevented any Porki attack from landing.

I don't believe we will see any new offers of significant defense sales to India from the US anytime soon. Not that we should even consider any of them.

I agree that India will start downgrading its military ties with USA. This is quite surprising. Because, most of us were expecting that Trump would patch the trust deficit created by Biden. On the contrary, the trust deficit has increased between India and USA.

 

[Nutcracker]

View: https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1932044873038696951?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

Explosive report be like-
"DRDO scientists called out Chinese TR modules as substandard, said it won't even survive our internal lab testing let alone IAF's hot and cold user trials."