Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (132 Viewers)


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Essentially, India lost aircraft because Mudi wanted to maintain the moral high ground, out of which he got nothing. Pakistan and the world don't care about India's imaginary moral high ground. International politics is transactional. Vajpayee made a similar mistake, leading to high death tolls in Kargil. Unfortunately, we are stuck between Modi and Pappu. Just imagine if PAF had nothing to show for, if not for Modi's stupidity. They would have lost what they are most afraid to lose, domestic perception.
 
dkkgp said:

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1938908179737506236
Essentially, India lost aircraft because Mudi wanted to maintain the moral high ground, out of which he got nothing. Pakistan and the world don't care about India's imaginary moral high ground. International politics is transactional. Vajpayee made a similar mistake, leading to high death tolls in Kargil. Unfortunately, we are stuck between Modi and Pappu. Just imagine if PAF had nothing to show for, if not for Modi's stupidity. They would have lost what they are most afraid to lose, domestic perception.
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Losses are not as many as seminar claims to be and it was operational tactical mistake as CDS explained not some political constraint. Here is original seminar link
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/u0-H1r61miM Watch from 2:27:58
 
Well, Modi was
shade2 said:
Just realized these slides are prepared by the Indonesian side which is why

>reddit
>wikipedia
>indiatoday

They obviously have no idea about anything apart from public sources
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Also UnClary has decided to burn his gaped hole on behalf of Pakistan as the Indian representative did not accept 100s of planes lost.
 
dkkgp said:

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1938908179737506236
Essentially, India lost aircraft because Mudi wanted to maintain the moral high ground, out of which he got nothing. Pakistan and the world don't care about India's imaginary moral high ground. International politics is transactional. Vajpayee made a similar mistake, leading to high death tolls in Kargil. Unfortunately, we are stuck between Modi and Pappu. Just imagine if PAF had nothing to show for, if not for Modi's stupidity. They would have lost what they are most afraid to lose, domestic perception.
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Modi is being made a scapegoat here. Dude probably doesn’t even know about ROE and SEAD/DEAD operations beyond the layman terms of whatever he was explained.

This was the doing of blue eyed damaad of west lord jaishankar.

There is a reason why he has been sidelined to this extent recently.

1. Probably forced IAF to follow these shitty ROE’s and this forced them to fight with one hand tied behind their back on day 1. This is proven by the constant emphasis on we will target terror infra onlee nonsense peddled by MEA.

2. At the start of the operation we had sent a message to pakistan saying we are striking at terrorist infrastructure we are not striking at the military so the military has an option of standing out and not interfering in the process.

(This was his exact statement)

In china the political commissar would have shot him point blank and in the US he would be jailed for treason. The question is who gave the authorisation to this nonsense and what was he thinking. The final say probably came from Modi in this case and well the lack of any formal education really shows.

From the moment this message was relayed every single active aircraft under PAF knew about this within 2-3 minutes giving them ample time to position shoot and scoot.

The next blow came when jaishankar told rubio that if they call first we will stop.

No concessions no statements no acceptance of guilt nothing just call us and we will stop. So US just asked pakistani DGMO to call and this guy promptly stopped and well all know why.

God forbid the IA reaches islamabad tomorrow and they call jaishankar this man will force the army to return.

This man single-handedly made sure that the best opportunity to ruin PAF and PN in a 5-6 day conflict was lost because the US controls him.

More than 40 people died in artillery firing during op sindoor and they were never avenged because Modi and his compromised muppets are to stupId to understand that this is a civlizational battle.
 
Knowitall said:
Modi is being made a scapegoat here. Dude probably doesn’t even know about ROE and SEAD/DEAD operations beyond the layman terms of whatever he was explained.

This was the doing of blue eyed damaad of west lord jaishankar.

There is a reason why he has been sidelined to this extent recently..
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Don't think he was so deeply involved but yes, most of the whole >"we attacked terrorist targets onleee" shitty advice was given by him to the Leader, which is why Tharoor is in the limelight now and laser eyes is nowhere to be seen.

Everyone knows how much leaderji loves economy, so therefore you can get him to authorize anything provided you scare him about how sankshuns and embargoes will damage the preshus ekanami.
ofc it has to be convincing, the silver tongue of a professional diplomat is helpful here.
 
Knowitall said:
Modi is being made a scapegoat here. Dude probably doesn’t even know about ROE and SEAD/DEAD operations beyond the layman terms of whatever he was explained.

This was the doing of blue eyed damaad of west lord jaishankar.

There is a reason why he has been sidelined to this extent recently.

1. Probably forced IAF to follow these shitty ROE’s and this forced them to fight with one hand tied behind their back on day 1. This is proven by the constant emphasis on we will target terror infra onlee nonsense peddled by MEA.

2. At the start of the operation we had sent a message to pakistan saying we are striking at terrorist infrastructure we are not striking at the military so the military has an option of standing out and not interfering in the process.

(This was his exact statement)

In china the political commissar would have shot him point blank and in the US he would be jailed for treason. The question is who gave the authorisation to this nonsense and what was he thinking. The final say probably came from Modi in this case and well the lack of any formal education really shows.

From the moment this message was relayed every single active aircraft under PAF knew about this within 2-3 minutes giving them ample time to position shoot and scoot.

The next blow came when jaishankar told rubio that if they call first we will stop.

No concessions no statements no acceptance of guilt nothing just call us and we will stop. So US just asked pakistani DGMO to call and this guy promptly stopped and well all know why.

God forbid the IA reaches islamabad tomorrow and they call jaishankar this man will force the army to return.

This man single-handedly made sure that the best opportunity to ruin PAF and PN in a 5-6 day conflict was lost because the US controls him.

More than 40 people died in artillery firing during op sindoor and they were never avenged because Modi and his compromised muppets are to stupId to understand that this is a civlizational battle.
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Hate me for saying this, but Operation Sindoor was never about destroying Pakistani terror infrastructure but to score political brownie points at home, for both Modi and Jaishankar.

What kind of an idiot is Jaishankar who told Pakistanis that they will just target terror camps and not civilian/military centres. Did he think that Pakistani Army would just watch as Indian missiles would rain down on the targets inside Pakistan and let their image amongst the masses be tarnished? Jaishankar's idiosyncracy cost us loss of aircrafts.

Seriously Jaishankar is just that, a meme material but albeit a stupid one.
 
ChandraSingh said:
Hate me for saying this, but Operation Sindoor was never about destroying Pakistani terror infrastructure but to score political brownie points at home, for both Modi and Jaishankar.

What kind of an idiot is Jaishankar who told Pakistanis that they will just target terror camps and not civilian/military centres. Did he think that Pakistani Army would just watch as Indian missiles would rain down on the targets inside Pakistan and let their image amongst the masses be tarnished? Jaishankar's idiosyncracy cost us loss of aircrafts.

Seriously Jaishankar is just that, a meme material but albeit a stupid one.
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That ROE has been there for a few years. Not defending him, but this is an misinformation that we informed Pakistan before the attack. We didn't. We only informed them after May 7 attack was done, that our target was just terrorist camp not their army infrastructure. Kindly stop spreading this misinformation. There was ROE and some political restraints. But what you are saying is rubbish.
 
shade2 said:
Don't think he was so deeply involved but yes, most of the whole >"we attacked terrorist targets onleee" shitty advice was given by him to the Leader, which is why Tharoor is in the limelight now and laser eyes is nowhere to be seen.

Everyone knows how much leaderji loves economy, so therefore you can get him to authorize anything provided you scare him about how sankshuns and embargoes will damage the preshus ekanami.
ofc it has to be convincing, the silver tongue of a professional diplomat is helpful here.
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Let a diplomat do its job
Jaishankar can't go full blazing with guns and he had little effect w.r.t ROE and SEAD stuff
And we informed pakistan after the attack not before
This is a congressi propaganda which sadly even here the members fell for it
 
redpanda said:
That ROE has been there for a few years. Not defending him, but this is an misinformation that we informed Pakistan before the attack. We didn't. We only informed them after May 7 attack was done, that our target was just terrorist camp not their army infrastructure. Kindly stop spreading this misinformation. There was ROE and some political restraints. But what you are saying is rubbish.
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Rubbish really? He himself says (on video) that we "informed" Pakistan "at the start of the operation". Did we inform Pakistan before Balakot ?


View: https://youtu.be/KiVNgeKrm-E?si=53RI3XXTlHqOqj1A
 
Savageking456 said:
Start of operation sindoor happened after we struck terror camps
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In the posted video, Jaishankar says "At the start of the operation, we had sent a message to Pakistan saying we are striking at terrorist infrastructure. We are not striking at the military....."

Had India informed afterwards as claimed by MEA in their damage control exercise, Jaishankar wouldn't have said "we are striking" but "we have struck..." This clearly means Pakistan was informed before or during the operation and not afterwards.
 
ChandraSingh said:
In the posted video, Jaishankar says "At the start of the operation, we had sent a message to Pakistan saying we are striking at terrorist infrastructure. We are not striking at the military....."

Had India informed afterwards as claimed by MEA in their damage control exercise, Jaishankar wouldn't have said "we are striking" but "we have struck..." This clearly means Pakistan was informed before or during the operation and not afterwards.
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Jaishankar cannot himself inform the pakistani side autonomously
If it indeed happened then entire govt is at fault not only Jaishankar
He is most probably talking about the usual MEA statement about strikes om may 7
 
ChandraSingh said:
In the posted video, Jaishankar says "At the start of the operation, we had sent a message to Pakistan saying we are striking at terrorist infrastructure. We are not striking at the military....."

Had India informed afterwards as claimed by MEA in their damage control exercise, Jaishankar wouldn't have said "we are striking" but "we have struck..." This clearly means Pakistan was informed before or during the operation and not afterwards.
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He didn't mention what sites were being struck did he?
Did he give them this warning an hour or more before?

So it doesn't really matter, not in the sense piddis were spinning it.

Anyway such baboo{n}isms must not make their way to Leaderji's head nor should they be the ones to set ROEs etc.

The whole

>inform Paki we're hitting terrorist sites
>we hit terrorist camps onleee
>don't hit military infra until they retaliate

All these stink of baboo{n}ery, it is def not a product of Leaderji or any politician's mind.
Not even of your standard IAS.

It is no surprise that the Human Thesaurus is being shown as the EAM now.

Savageking456 said:
Let a diplomat do its job
Jaishankar can't go full blazing with guns and he had little effect w.r.t ROE and SEAD stuff
And we informed pakistan after the attack not before
This is a congressi propaganda which sadly even here the members fell for it
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Yes, Leaderji must not listen to the ((( advices ))) of diplomats in regards to a military operation.
Even if he is not playing for the Americans the mindset of a suited IFS is fundamentally different to a politician or a uniformed person.
 
shade2 said:
He didn't mention what sites were being struck did he?
Did he give them this warning an hour or more before?

So it doesn't really matter, not in the sense piddis were spinning it.

Anyway such baboo{n}isms must not make their way to Leaderji's head nor should they be the ones to set ROEs etc.

The whole

>inform Paki we're hitting terrorist sites
>we hit terrorist camps onleee
>don't hit military infra until they retaliate

All these stink of baboo{n}ery, it is def not a product of Leaderji or any politician's mind.
Not even of your standard IAS.

It is no surprise that the Human Thesaurus is being shown as the EAM now.



Yes, Leaderji must not listen to the ((( advices ))) of diplomats in regards to a military operation.
Even if he is not playing for the Americans the mindset of a suited IFS is fundamentally different to a politician or a uniformed person.
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It is just media spinning his word in different ways. People need to understand he must have fumbled because of all that pressure on him. He is talking about post May 7. All our official statement literally mention we informed them about our attacks being only against terrorist camp in DGMO level talks. And that happened only after May 7 attack. This chandar guy is some piddi. He is again peddling that piddi propaganda crap. Jaishankar fumbled, so it's on his fault, but media wala just gave it their own spin and then piddi as usual started spreading their propaganda on cut paste spin. This has been debunked multiple times on this exact thread by even mods of this forums.

Hey @ezsasa again someone is peddling that bs propaganda that we informed Pakistan before May 7 attack.
 
ChandraSingh said:
In the posted video, Jaishankar says "At the start of the operation, we had sent a message to Pakistan saying we are striking at terrorist infrastructure. We are not striking at the military....."

Had India informed afterwards as claimed by MEA in their damage control exercise, Jaishankar wouldn't have said "we are striking" but "we have struck..." This clearly means Pakistan was informed before or during the operation and not afterwards.
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He is referring to post May 7 operation. Not the May 7 attack. You can literally check multiple government documents on it.

DGMO literally said the only talk between India and Pakistan happened after May 7th attack. That was the first instance of talk. Are you saying DGMO is lying?
 
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