Operation Sindoor

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Remember watching movie 'Border' as a kid where Pakis says:

Subah ka nashta Jaisalmer mein, Dopahar ka khana Jodhpur mein, aur raat ka Delhi mein (Breakfast @ Jaisalmer, Lunch @ Jodhpur , Dinner @ Delhi)

Always wondered if, when, what , how we will respond back.

Yesterday- after so many years - finally got the answer

- Subah ka nashta Sargodha, Lahore mein
- Dopahar ka khaana Bholari, Jacobabad mein
- Raat ka khaana Rawalpindi, Sialkot mein
 
One thing more to notice, The babus don't have any strength or conviction in their voice while doing any briefing
Having a foreign secretary with terrible articulation, oratory skills, and a weak, trembling effeminate voice do war briefings was an absolutely terrible decision. The lady airforce spokesperson was pronouncing the word calibre as "calibr-ee". These are tiny details that add up to a lot.
 

really depends on how much importance you want to give them, It's not govt's job to control what is being published in a American Journal, so really we have to deal with it. print media is espcially like these are never should be taken seriously, ops like these require months of analysis on their impact both in short term and long term, I can tell you people who buy jets know the truth, it doesn't mattet what some random plebian thinks.

Biggest issue with narrative is , it can be changed very easily, to quote mizrapur "darr ki yahi dikkat hai ki, kabhi hi khamat ho sakta hai" .
 
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Why Modi is not addressing nation ..everything will be put to rest
I am now very skeptical that we lost Rafael'/s and he is looking for an face saver which we haven't got yet ..
Sorry but we have a coward as the leader ..
Had a Rafale been gunned down, the rest of world would have started lehnga dance. And we are not living in a country where such a great accident could be camouflaged.
 
Bhai real men. I tell you all these de escalation support gang who are posting . Do opposite.

In kutte ke baccho . Jute gila karke maro. Pakistan will hit back tonight again.

In support of sarkari farman of ceasefire. Every if is bot and bhutiya. Ye cancer hain. Inko maro kurte ke baccho ko.
 

  • I used to think Jack Dorsey is Evil, but twitter during his time was million times better than it is now, under Wignat MUSK.
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  • Just because these republicans took some action against Jihadis in their own soil, we thought they will do the same everywhere as well.
Now For God's sake, will the IT Cell stop worshipping the Western conservatives and their billionaires and stop this nonsense of "Save Europe".
 
really? What BJP showed the world is a big nothing?
Let me know exactly what Modi lost after the military made the gains?

Let's compare it to what Indira lost after we won the 71 war shall we?
She gave back the land we got, gave POW back without getting ours back, did not bargain to get land after winning in the east, nothing on IWT, continued trade...the list of G pe losses Indira took after military won 71 will fill pages.

What exactly did Modi lose that Military won in the last few days?
If anything, Modi has ensured that military got the lime light by not even giving a presser and letting the videos and actions speak for themselves.
Objectives were achieved and some more and everything credited to our military.

Modi doesn't get to take that credit either. The enemy and the citizens filmed the events and put them on the SM for all of us to see.

Modi hyped up the public expectations, he wanted to be seen as the greatest leader India ever produced. Now we know what he really is. People were mentally ready for it. And then this DISTASTEFUL CLIMAX.

How do we know that IWT will not get restored once the public interest dies down? We have witnessed similar masterstrokes in the recent past when a punishment was publicly declared only to get partially or completely rolled back when nobody was looking (export/import and VISA bans on Bangladesh for example)?

On a side note, I am loving the manner in which the IT celliyas on the SM are getting harassed by the RW ecosystem. There must be no doubt in their minds that this one is not a savior-dependent relationship.

Significant political cost must be extracted. People have died. Those in the decision making positions must be held accountable.
 
just to add a bit.

this predates and much bigger than modi, doval etc. modi, doval etc are a public face to thousands of nameless faceless bureaucrats, military and intelligence officers working for GoI.

Indian security establishment has been trying to solve this dilemma for a long time, the problem statement is how to defend India from sub-conventional threat protected by nuclear umbrella using conventional means available to GoI.

op parakram, diplomacy after 26/11, olive branch to paki land after modi swearing in, 2016 reponse, 2019 response and now op sindoor. all of them are part of the same thinking, trying to solve a dilemma of countering a sub-conventional threat using conventional means.

this means the thousands of nameless faceless bureaucrats, military and intelligence officers working for GoI will continue to try to solve this problem in the future too, based on the options available at that point in time in the future.

We have punctured the Aatmi Taqat meme in terms of short skirmishes atleast with Balakot and now Op Sindoor.

It is not the matter of Aatmi Taqat, it is that we value our dhandho and ekanami too much to commit to a war with Paksitan to finish them or degrade their capabilities.

Paki knows this and ungli's accordingly, Mudi however is pushing the envelope with each "befitting reply to terrorism" like Op Sindoor.

The major problem now however is Uncle Sam being an obstacle, he will always come to save his dog Pakistan.

The Nooklear matter is a total non issue viz piglets nuking us i.e they can blackmail us, that won't happen, Modi has proved it.
 
As soon as you say "Replace MLAs with Council of Ministers'- it is blatantly wrong

MLAs= Legislative brach of our constitution
Council of Ministers = Executive branch of our constitution

There is a very big difference between the two.


Now, how powerful a particular Minister is not a concern for the babu. If Minister is powerful, he will listen to the Minister. If not, he will listen to the chief minister. But he will listen to those in power. Otherwise, he cannot survive. Babus have no role in the dynamic political power struggle. Manmohan was PM, but bureaucrats did not listen to him. Modi is PM, but bureaucrats listen to him, because Ministers are not as powerful as PM. In Manmohan's time, Ministers openly defied his instructions because they were connected with Sonia. Babus will listen to the power. They are made for that purpose. If they don't, we won't have democracy. Who has power, is political. Someone not being powerful is not bureaucrat's fault.
The link you shared, bureaucrats were not listening to a minister of state. there was a cabinet minister senior to him. The senior minister did not say that bureaucrats did not listen to him. The CM Yogi did not say that bureaucrats did not listen to him. Bureaurcrats were listening to somebody and somebody is always the one who is in power.
So you are saying that bureaucrats are listening to someone in a democracy.
And that someone is the power center?

Then why this RR about Babooz doing things on their own, Babooz keeping Modiji in dark etc etc.
Does it mean all such posts are deflections from the failure of the cabinet?
 
really depends on how much importance you want to give them, It's not govt's job to control what is being published in a American Journal, so really we have to deal with it. print media is espcially like these are never should be taken seriously, ops like these require months of analysis on their impact both in short term and long term, I can tell you people who buy jets know the truth, it doesn't mattet what some random plebian thinks.
Then whose job it is? It is not the Govt jobs, that is not Govt's job. Stop this. Govts around the world know how important information warfare is.
 
For international media management
We literally can't do much .
I mean literally, we common folks can't do anything.
We should brief media , like Saddam unkill iraq wale did , during his crusade into eyeran.
Saddam literally vacated all the hotels of baghdaad , of other folks and filled them all with war correspondents.
Now Iraqi army fought like shit , initially when media and public interest was there, still in many battles Iraqis displayed captured military tanks etc , downed jets to international press .
They took them in a controlled manner , to the front line.
Heck they even took them into captured eyeranian towns .
The above is an time and tested method of media management, ofcourse no one in west believed in what iraq tv said , but folks believed in what cnn , bbc , etc did.
This created an image of " professional" Iraqi army fighting against a horde of barbarians .
Saddam repeatedly displayed the child soldiers.etc captured to media .
For national tv he allowed raw and gore footage of battle field.
Iraqis posing with dead Iranians etc .
Two narratives, although he lost all credibility after halabja .
Still his actions in early part of war give an example of tried and tested media management.
 
Having a foreign secretary with terrible articulation, oratory skills, and a weak, trembling effeminate voice do war briefings was an absolutely terrible decision. The lady airforce spokesperson was pronouncing the word calibre as "calibr-ee". These are tiny details that add up to a lot.
India's foreign service is one of the most competent in the world-- every country in the world-- acknowledges it. Trembling voice is your own concoction.

Coming to the lady spokesperson, they did an amazing job. And it was done to send a message to Pakis- our ladies are greater than all your jackshit ISI spokesmen, and we take your actions as casual. I agree, there was no need for being too feministic. But it sends a good message around the world.
 
I cannot believe how some members are so concerned about narrative building and perception of western media. Like the pakis all they care is what written on some paper rather than what happened on the ground.
even in 1971 pakis were claiming victory while on the ground bangladesh was being formed. Like wise they may claim 100s of things but we got the HVTs, IWT tossed out and a warning for further beating if they dare terrorism on India, proved our indigenous weapon system and let their army know that we can strike anywhere we want and decapitate their nuclear assets.
 
Modi needs to come an give a speech in roaring tone, pure roar, bc aise garaj ke bhashan de ki dushman aur indi block moot de
tell the country the damage paf bases got, how our air defence did briliant work

What will he talk about that we haven't already see on the internet (or TV)?
India's military doesn't need his validation.

even if bjp it cell exists, it definitely lacks jazba

They are busy defending their master's honor, whatever exists of it.
 
Okay, so guess it is official now.

Uncle Sam intervened because we were targeting pak nuclear assets,


Not a conspiracy theory anymore.

@Suryavanshi @ezsasa

Also, article claims that India was 'baiting' pakroaches into conducting air raids with F-16.
Extremely & Dangerously Based steps by India, if it's true. Which made americ*nts shat their pants.
Hanimals & the C*nts had to force India to stop pounding their personal hooker.

A big W, imo
 
Then whose job it is? It is not the Govt jobs, that is not Govt's job. Stop this. Govts around the world know how important information warfare is.

Yours and mine, dumbass!
I just saw the US elections up close. The amount of misinformation that was being peddled against Trump was honestly insane. And STILL he won. That's the power of an informed population that actively vets and counters misinformation!
 
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