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We need some confirmation if it's indian or israeli , I am suspicious it could have been an israeli/Palestine as there is solar panel which pakistan too have. Need some heavy confirmation
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When he accidentally cut off a truck driver. Truck driver motioned for Munir to pull over.
When Munir did, the driver got out of his truck and pulled a piece of chalk from his pocket. He drew a circle on the side of the road and gruffly commanded to Munir, "Stand in that circle and DON'T MOVE!"
He then went to Munir's car and cut up its leather seats.
When he turned around, Munir had a slight grin on his face, so the driver said, "Oh you think that's funny? Watch this!"
He gets a bat out of his truck and breaks every window in Munir's car. When he turns and looks at Munir, he has a smile on his face.
Driver is getting really mad. He gets his knife back out and slices all its tires.
Now Munir is laughing.
The truck driver is really starting to lose it. He goes back to his truck and gets a can of petrol, pours it on Munir's car and sets it on fire.
He turns around and Munir is laughing so hard he is about to fall down.
"What's so funny?" the truck driver asked.
Munir replied, "Every time you weren't looking, I stepped outside the circle!!"
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This is what came to mind when I see Pakistani's ejaculating over made-up Rafale claims, while India has actually & undeniably fucked their country in full public view...
When Munir did, the driver got out of his truck and pulled a piece of chalk from his pocket. He drew a circle on the side of the road and gruffly commanded to Munir, "Stand in that circle and DON'T MOVE!"
He then went to Munir's car and cut up its leather seats.
When he turned around, Munir had a slight grin on his face, so the driver said, "Oh you think that's funny? Watch this!"
He gets a bat out of his truck and breaks every window in Munir's car. When he turns and looks at Munir, he has a smile on his face.
Driver is getting really mad. He gets his knife back out and slices all its tires.
Now Munir is laughing.
The truck driver is really starting to lose it. He goes back to his truck and gets a can of petrol, pours it on Munir's car and sets it on fire.
He turns around and Munir is laughing so hard he is about to fall down.
"What's so funny?" the truck driver asked.
Munir replied, "Every time you weren't looking, I stepped outside the circle!!"
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This is what came to mind when I see Pakistani's ejaculating over made-up Rafale claims, while India has actually & undeniably fucked their country in full public view...
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Great point, the problem is everyone wants live updates as if it is not a war, but some cricket match, turn on the radio and you get ball by ball updates.
Why would IA disclose the information in the middle of fog of war. By not saying anything, first thing you do is you put the onus on Pakistan to prove their assertion. Now, if IA is planning for further operations, by acknowledging or denying their claim, you give away the tactical advantage to Pakistan, you are basically confirm their capability or incapability for them, but by maintaining strategic ambiguity you keep them guessing. Also, by not responding to their claims, IA is effectively giving them a message, we don't give a f*ck, we are confident in our abilities and not rattled by your claims. IA is not that stupid.
Imgaine if 71 or Kargil was fought in this social media era, damn hell!
What we need is patience and back our govt and army, period.
3 Large sound have been heard in Lahore airport , all the flights have diverted. Could have been indian uav attack not sure.
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We need to mass produce drones.
It's lahore.
Architecture, garden style, date format. Etc etc.
Definitely Pakistan. Proper Pakistan.
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So here's my rational analysis of what transpired in yesterday Op Sindoor..after studying both indian nd Paxtan side of story..herein i will try to comprehensively answer all the queries nd solve claims nd counter claims nd give my reasoning for the same.
I will come to contested claims of loses Latter so let's analyze air strike first nd it's objectives..how IAF meticulously nd carefully planned an attack of this magnitude which many here or in defense circle were apprehensive of.
First nd foremost we have to give prime importance to objectives rather than semantics nd rhetorics.. then only we can analyse the truth rationaly.
So the clear objective of IAF was to struck assigned non military targets (9 terrorist camps across pak heartland) with minimum own loses.
Nd the objective of PAF was to deter IAF from achieving it's objective i.e denying bombing of it's territory nd inflict max attrition to strike package (75-80 IAF aircrafts)
NOW we hv clear answer who achieved it's objectives successfully.
Paxtan claims nearly 75-80 IAF aircrafts supported with loitering munitions (for strike nd BDA) participated in this attack now compare this with balakot strike where only dozens of mirage participate where only 5-6 crossed nd bombed paxtan.. this shows the magnitude nd humongous level of strike package.
Now did all 75-80 aircrafts attacked paxtan? Nope..
instead it was a brilliant nd judiciously crafted plan where multiple fighter sweeps were made at multiple locations.. there are reports of same aircrafts making multiple sweeps before actually attacking to evade threat of incoming SAMs nd BVRAAMs before releasing there PGMs.
From starting IAF knew it would be really onerous to achieve a strike of this ginormous magnitude with zero loses without doing any SEAD nd DEAD keeping in mind threat faced by deadly long range ADS (HQ9B- 260km). Thus in theory it was a suicide mission nd i feared worst while kudos to IAF.. they achieved their objectives with minimum own loses (material).
NOW all those who scorn off value of tactical nd strategic ADS need to study RUSSIAN-UKRAINE war where russian airforce has absolute domination over Ukrainian airforce with 10:1 ratio before the war. They had more modern nd sophisticated air vectors to absolutely annihilate ukraine nd give victory to russia on a plate as many defence analyst nd war watchers were predicting at the start of russian invasion.. however how the much vouched nd superior russian airforce failed?? Ring any bells??
Because of ukraine employing AIR DENIAL with ADS (S300 nd patriot).. read the below links that substantiate my claims about danger of long range ADS nd Era of AIR DENIAL.
www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2023/september/air-denial-lessons-ukraine
www.usni.org
www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/air-denial-the-dangerous-illusion-of-decisive-air-superiority
www.atlanticcouncil.org
Since the start of russian Ukraine war think tanks nd osints hv credited min 80-100 russian fighter aircrafts to ADS.. Ukrainian claims are even higher going north of 300 loses to russian airforce (far fetched). If u include other fixed wings aircrafts nd heptors than loses will be even more.
Oki so now coming to own material loses there are contested claims of 3 material loses on our side.
1. Mig 29 in pampore (clear wreckage)
2. Mirage 2000 in akhnoor (only droptank)
3. Rafale in bathinda (clear wreckage)
Pakis hv claimed 5-6 but only 3 or albiet 2 are substantiated with proofs in ground. Mind u in this age of social media no loses can be hidden so we can safely assume all documanted (atleast by proofs in crash site) are true.
First of all stop believing Rafale is some magic bullet nd will somehow magically survive against deadly long range ADS..afterall it's not a stealth aircraft rather it's a 4.5 gen aircraft nd can be tracked nd targeted by SAMs.. i hv said this before in MMRCA thread where many were jumping saying that only rafale will give them parity against long range PAF ADS nd it's imminent purchase of 5th gen fighters.
It's an exceptional aircraft with excellent electronic stealth (wrt to Spectra).. however no electronic stealth equipped 4.5 gen fighter can ever replace a true 5th gen fighter with stealth shaping.. nd this is true for all 4.5 gen aircrafts be it euro fighter, gripen, USAF F teens or Chinese 4.5 gen fighters.. all are vulnerable to latest nd lethal long range ADS equipped with multiple seekers (Active, SARH & PHH) & targeting AESA RADARs that are resistant to jamming by employing LPI, FHSS nd LORO mode.
PAF employed long range (260km) HQ9B SAMs with firing multiple volleys to enhance kill probability nd deter IAF from striking it's territory. it's very tough to dodge a volley of lethal HQ9BE SAM i.e armed with both SARH & Passive IIR seeker which increases it's effectiveness.
However as things transpired IAF struck all it's assigned targets with impunity nd precision with min own loses. Contested loses occurred after IAF strike fighters droped their PGMs nd were retreating. PAF could affect 3 or albiet 2 attrition to retreating fighters by ground based SAMs.. their fighter aircraft also fired few PL15e to retreating fighters but all were successfully evaded. this was done to credit IAF loses to PAF fighter aircrafts to build hysteria nd propaganda.
Give the same conditions to any airforces around the world that operates only 4.5 gen vectors to achieve the herculean objective of striking multiple non military targets without doing SEAD nd DEAD nd targeting any military installations u will see max attrition will be inflicted.
Same thing IAF learnt when it itself stimulated strike against S400 ADS in one of its exercise.. it incurred an 80% loss to strike package where remaining aircrafts fled
bharatshakti.in
So instead of buying into semantics nd rhetorics.. IAF did exceptionally well in a scenario which was actually a sucide mission. It struck all targets assigned to it with pin point accuracy nd min own loses.
PAF is now faced with same challenge to repeat what IAF could achieve.. thus it understands the challenge faced by deadly S400 system which is even more lethal than their HQ9BE which is a copy of S300.. thus i say again PAF can only cook propaganda but it won't dare repeating any Swift Retort type strike again.. nd will simply chicken out as seen by recent antics of Paxtan.
JAI HIND!!
I will come to contested claims of loses Latter so let's analyze air strike first nd it's objectives..how IAF meticulously nd carefully planned an attack of this magnitude which many here or in defense circle were apprehensive of.
First nd foremost we have to give prime importance to objectives rather than semantics nd rhetorics.. then only we can analyse the truth rationaly.
So the clear objective of IAF was to struck assigned non military targets (9 terrorist camps across pak heartland) with minimum own loses.
Nd the objective of PAF was to deter IAF from achieving it's objective i.e denying bombing of it's territory nd inflict max attrition to strike package (75-80 IAF aircrafts)
NOW we hv clear answer who achieved it's objectives successfully.
Paxtan claims nearly 75-80 IAF aircrafts supported with loitering munitions (for strike nd BDA) participated in this attack now compare this with balakot strike where only dozens of mirage participate where only 5-6 crossed nd bombed paxtan.. this shows the magnitude nd humongous level of strike package.
Now did all 75-80 aircrafts attacked paxtan? Nope..
instead it was a brilliant nd judiciously crafted plan where multiple fighter sweeps were made at multiple locations.. there are reports of same aircrafts making multiple sweeps before actually attacking to evade threat of incoming SAMs nd BVRAAMs before releasing there PGMs.
From starting IAF knew it would be really onerous to achieve a strike of this ginormous magnitude with zero loses without doing any SEAD nd DEAD keeping in mind threat faced by deadly long range ADS (HQ9B- 260km). Thus in theory it was a suicide mission nd i feared worst while kudos to IAF.. they achieved their objectives with minimum own loses (material).
NOW all those who scorn off value of tactical nd strategic ADS need to study RUSSIAN-UKRAINE war where russian airforce has absolute domination over Ukrainian airforce with 10:1 ratio before the war. They had more modern nd sophisticated air vectors to absolutely annihilate ukraine nd give victory to russia on a plate as many defence analyst nd war watchers were predicting at the start of russian invasion.. however how the much vouched nd superior russian airforce failed?? Ring any bells??
Because of ukraine employing AIR DENIAL with ADS (S300 nd patriot).. read the below links that substantiate my claims about danger of long range ADS nd Era of AIR DENIAL.
www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2023/september/air-denial-lessons-ukraine
Air Denial Lessons from Ukraine
The Marine Corps needs the capability to impose air denial.
www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/air-denial-the-dangerous-illusion-of-decisive-air-superiority
Air denial: The dangerous illusion of decisive air superiority
The air war in Ukraine challenges traditional paradigms of air superiority. US and allied air forces must instead contemplate air denial strategies.
www.atlanticcouncil.org
Since the start of russian Ukraine war think tanks nd osints hv credited min 80-100 russian fighter aircrafts to ADS.. Ukrainian claims are even higher going north of 300 loses to russian airforce (far fetched). If u include other fixed wings aircrafts nd heptors than loses will be even more.
Oki so now coming to own material loses there are contested claims of 3 material loses on our side.
1. Mig 29 in pampore (clear wreckage)
2. Mirage 2000 in akhnoor (only droptank)
3. Rafale in bathinda (clear wreckage)
Pakis hv claimed 5-6 but only 3 or albiet 2 are substantiated with proofs in ground. Mind u in this age of social media no loses can be hidden so we can safely assume all documanted (atleast by proofs in crash site) are true.
First of all stop believing Rafale is some magic bullet nd will somehow magically survive against deadly long range ADS..afterall it's not a stealth aircraft rather it's a 4.5 gen aircraft nd can be tracked nd targeted by SAMs.. i hv said this before in MMRCA thread where many were jumping saying that only rafale will give them parity against long range PAF ADS nd it's imminent purchase of 5th gen fighters.
It's an exceptional aircraft with excellent electronic stealth (wrt to Spectra).. however no electronic stealth equipped 4.5 gen fighter can ever replace a true 5th gen fighter with stealth shaping.. nd this is true for all 4.5 gen aircrafts be it euro fighter, gripen, USAF F teens or Chinese 4.5 gen fighters.. all are vulnerable to latest nd lethal long range ADS equipped with multiple seekers (Active, SARH & PHH) & targeting AESA RADARs that are resistant to jamming by employing LPI, FHSS nd LORO mode.
PAF employed long range (260km) HQ9B SAMs with firing multiple volleys to enhance kill probability nd deter IAF from striking it's territory. it's very tough to dodge a volley of lethal HQ9BE SAM i.e armed with both SARH & Passive IIR seeker which increases it's effectiveness.
However as things transpired IAF struck all it's assigned targets with impunity nd precision with min own loses. Contested loses occurred after IAF strike fighters droped their PGMs nd were retreating. PAF could affect 3 or albiet 2 attrition to retreating fighters by ground based SAMs.. their fighter aircraft also fired few PL15e to retreating fighters but all were successfully evaded. this was done to credit IAF loses to PAF fighter aircrafts to build hysteria nd propaganda.
Give the same conditions to any airforces around the world that operates only 4.5 gen vectors to achieve the herculean objective of striking multiple non military targets without doing SEAD nd DEAD nd targeting any military installations u will see max attrition will be inflicted.
Same thing IAF learnt when it itself stimulated strike against S400 ADS in one of its exercise.. it incurred an 80% loss to strike package where remaining aircrafts fled
80% Success: The S400 Air Defence System’s Strategic Edge
The Sudarshan S400 air defence system displayed an impressive 80% success rate in a recent high-stakes military exercise
bharatshakti.in
So instead of buying into semantics nd rhetorics.. IAF did exceptionally well in a scenario which was actually a sucide mission. It struck all targets assigned to it with pin point accuracy nd min own loses.
PAF is now faced with same challenge to repeat what IAF could achieve.. thus it understands the challenge faced by deadly S400 system which is even more lethal than their HQ9BE which is a copy of S300.. thus i say again PAF can only cook propaganda but it won't dare repeating any Swift Retort type strike again.. nd will simply chicken out as seen by recent antics of Paxtan.
JAI HIND!!
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