Operation Sindoor

Part #1 : Air Defence

Another strategic benefit of limited conflicts like this is that it allows us to test our systems. Will try to take a stab at what was tested, what went well etc. in a series of 4-5 posts.

The following AD systems we have have proven themselves beyond doubt now:

1. AD Guns - Post Gulf War, there was a pattern of dissing the gun and going for SAMs. That trend has effectively reversed with Nagano Karabakh conflict and then Ukraine -Russia conflict. Looks like we did analyse and learn from these.
Our AD Guns (1) Bofors L70, (2) Twin barrel ZSU 23 (3) Self propelled Schilka and (4) Self propelled Tunguska have proven themselves now.
Note that I am not quoting L&T Sudarshan here as I don't know how many have been delivered(if any).

2. Our OptoElectronics detection systems - Most of the AD Guns have been upgraded with Indian Opto-Electronics systems. These proved themselves beyond doubt over the last 2 days and nights in detecting small size-low flying drones and cruise missiles.

3. Short range radars - proved beyond doubt that Radars to which the AD Guns are slaved have impeccable detection and guidance capabilities

4. Akash - Our boy has proven itself. From all the news coming in, it has slam-dunked the whole enemy barrage of drones, missiles and fighters. Note that Akash was supposed to have limited BMD capabilities as well which were debated in the forums long time back. What will warm my coffee even more is if it has indeed intercepted one in this round of hostilities.

5. SpyDer - Assuming J&K cities and establishments were attached, SpyDer has possibly worked the way we expected Israeli stuff to work.

6. SAMAR - IAF BRDs will get a good fillup as their jugaad also rose to the occasion.

7. MRSAM - little news but given that it was deployed for area defence in the sector, it has possibly played a role in long range intercepts or mission-kill.

8. S400 - the much maligned Russian giant has redeemed itself in Indian hands. No doubt it performed and there are already talks of it killing a HVT.

9. IACCS - Again our baby the By God, it has worked the way I never expected it to ( more due to lack of knowledge about what and how it works). The datalinking from multiple sources, handoff between guns and missiles, the target designation etc were possibly battle tested for the first time.
Seeing IACCS in action was like watching Matrix movie the first time and getting your mind bent. I am now expecting v2.0 of IACCS basis learnings which will be more deadly.

10. The human in the loop - our AD soldiers : stellar conduct and superhero type performance. The training they are having is world class. Whatever they are eating, I want some of that man!
 
This is a distraction. The real attack will come somewhere else. Most probably, our ports and refineries.
These attacks are mostly meant to create public unease/panic.
2 things are taking place simultaneously
1) They want to saturate our AD and then push aircrafts for larger damage while finding loopholes in akshateer

2) They want our focus diverted to jammu from Rajasthan Gujrat and Punjab
 
A Turkish cargo plane landed in Pakistan some time ago with possible loitering munitions, SOWs and possibly AD systems.

CELiK KUBBE (Steel Dome)

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Alpagut Loitering Muniton

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KEMANKES 1 Mini Intelligent Cruise Missile

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Kargi Kamikaze Drone

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View: https://x.com/BefittingFacts/status/1920552886196711501

Seems like my hunch was right. The Turkey cargo plane was for replenishment of drone and loitering munitions.

We should ban Turkish companies from operating in India and cancel visas to Turkey.

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1920861492406038888
 
At the very least we need to start hitting their air bases across the board. PAF is the only strength they have and if they try to use it, S400 and the like should be in play.
we don't need to jump to the big guns so quickly. Let's reserve it for high value targets
not these cheap plastic quadcopters with firecrackers?
 
Hume drone operation rokne nahi chaiye the pata nahi ki ye defencesive khelte hai hamare Sarkar.
They are waiting for Overton window to shift from war on terrorrism to war on Pakistan Army.

Indian ambassador to US was framing the conflict as war on terrorism. We need to shift our framing to war on Pakistan.

The CNN news anchor asked the ambassador numerous times if we are planning to declare war on Pakistan directly and the ambassador refused to answer. My theory is that the meeting that happened with Modi and the arm forces chiefs was to negotiate the Overton window being moved to actual war now.
 
And where will Fuel and cheap weapons come in? You think they can run 100's of airlift operations to supply fuel and cheap weapons? Turkey which is far away wouldn't be doing shit. Fuel can only be sent from the sea. With air cargo they can send limited number of weapons. Don't make points without proper analysis. It just doesn't make sense.

I recently read that about 15% of Porks fuel comes via Iran border, I don't know how hard it is to ramp that up.

Regarding cheap drones, Turkey just provided something to them yesterday.

Why can't Turkey and China not provide more. If a Chinese ship carrying weapons docks in Karachi, are we prepared to block it?

Why wait for them to exhaust easily replacable stuff when you can destroy what cant be replaced easily?
 
They are waiting for Overton window to shift from war on terrorrism to war on Pakistan Army.

Indian ambassador to US was framing the conflict as war on terrorism. We need to shift our framing to war on Pakistan.

The CNN news anchor asked the ambassador numerous times if we are planning to declare war on Pakistan directly and the ambassador refused to answer. My theory is that the meeting that happened with Modi and the arm forces chiefs was to negotiate the Overton window being moved to actual war now.
we don't need to clarify anything to anybody this can be labelled "a military operation"
for all the idiots who like titles.
 
I recently read that about 15% of Porks fuel comes via Iran border, I don't know how hard it is to ramp that up.

Regarding cheap drones, Turkey just provided something to them yesterday.

Why can't Turkey and China not provide more. If a Chinese ship carrying weapons docks in Karachi, are we prepared to block it?

Why wait for them to exhaust easily replacable stuff when you can destroy what cant be replaced easily?
during 1971 war Iran sent 40 truck full of weapons to pakistanis, it did not make a difference.
once we go on the offensive their supply lines will be the first things we destroy
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars Before the 29th August, 2020 Operations I said a few words which I am gonna reprise now,

Yudh Ka Matlab Ladna hai,

Jung se bhi kya darna hai,

लड़ते लड़ते जीना है, लड़ते लड़ते मरना है
 
What happened to the post with the picture of F-16 tracking HAROP drone? I found it interesting that a Merican OSINT channel got their hands on a Paki F-16 HUD footage. It is a huge conjecture but are the Burgericans secretly aiding PAF to maximize F-16 performance and operational efficiency?
 
Requesting members that whatever happens tonight do not go into overdrive like yesterday. Keep calm and verify what you post.

Other thing is GOI and MOD should start pounding paki military infrastructures now ,enough being a nice guy now. Start proactively pounding them. Don't wait for any casus belli just create one and start hammering them. I am hoping that GOI will hit them hard otherwise end this charade of escalation
de-escalation. GOI has golden opportunity now.
 
What is the strategy of our armed forces? We cannot exhaust our SAM batteries. We need to open another front or we retaliate massively. Yesterday we played defense and I cannot accept if we play defense today as well. I have faith that today tri services have a plan to hit massively inside Porkistan.

I hope moderators here keep an eye on this thread. Do not allow posts like yesterday. It is important we allow posts from verified sources. Delete one liners. Delete any posts which compromises our national security or provides enemies propaganda material.
I dont want to see a presser tomorrow mentioning we responded proportionaly, the whole nation is tired of this deescalation saga. Enough is enough porkistan has crossed all limits and we need to respond them kinetically with no limits
 
we don't need to jump to the big guns so quickly. Let's reserve it for high value targets
not these cheap plastic quadcopters with firecrackers?

I didn't mean S400 for drones, but for PAF jets if they mobiles as a response to us hitting their airfields.

Also, as someone mentioned these attacks also seems like a distraction for something else.

during 1971 war Iran sent 40 truck full of weapons to pakistanis, it did not make a difference.
once we go on the offensive their supply lines will be the first things we destro.

I agree but why wait to destroy the assets they can't replace?

I don't understand this defence only approach. Even if you want it plays proportional, where are our drones attacking their bases?
 

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