Operation Sindoor

But our generals said we are very much ready for a 2 front war. Whatever happened to that???

Our military did not disappoint us. Their performance has been excellent, beyond anybody's expectation or belief.

The political leadership and the bureaucracy let us down (as usual). The "Death Rattles" of Vikram Misri during the press briefings will always be remembered.
 
Met few Sikhs , an old one also.
Man served in 71 and has seen 62 , 65 wars .
The guy was so much angry at modi .
And so were the young guys, it's as if all of Jammu and Punjab are angry at the priest king .
I couldn't hide my anger myself.
Very much the on ground sentiments since last night. People are disgusted and no satisfactory communication from govt end at all. Cherry on top - the unanswered IW campaign by the adversary.
 
The AD degradation we have done to them, it will take them some 2-3 years to replenish.

But only India is a country where we cuck ourselves by flying in Enemy Territory without doing SEAD and DEAD. We are mastered this art.

Upcoming IHR with Saurav Jha will be riot to listen.
 
Our military did not disappoint us. Their performance has been excellent, beyond anybody's expectation or belief.

The political leadership and the bureaucracy let us down (as usual). The "Death Rattles" of Vikram Misri during the press briefings will always be remembered.
People like Misri are mouth pieces.

The vishwaguru is the decision maker afterall.
 
Hi friends,

I’m Rajesh from Bangalore, returning to this Indian defence forum after 6–7 years. I had an old account here but forgot the ID after posting just 10 times—I left because it felt like a one-sided narrative.

I was active on PDF until today, but got banned for consistently challenging their narrative.

By nature, I’m open-minded. I listen to both sides and don’t blindly follow or believe anything—whether it’s from the Indian government, media, or even the army establishment.

I hope to stay here for the long run. But just a heads-up—I won’t support any one-sided stories blindly. Thanks for bearing with me.
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I am so amazed that the IT cell members who were calling the de-escalators as traitors(and rightfully as the entire nation was fed up of pak), is now calling the sudden ceasefire as masterstroke.

Modi govt accepted the ceasefire in such a hurry that it looks like as if we were in a disadvantageous position.
 
And we should also start counting our dead. Such heavy price was paid for what? There is nothing called a consolation prize in Geo-politics. It was a tactical victory, but a strategic defeat.



A definitive outcome in India's favor would have beaten all the narrative. We Indians must stop blaming our enemies/competitions for not supporting your position or for breaking our trust, sounds childish.
Definitive outcomes take time to achieve. Could be weeks, could be months, could be years. No one can tell with absolute certainty. Are you going to wait all that time till you can claim a narrative war?
Look I personally don't really bother with what international media says, as long as we can gather actual evidence from Open source channels. But my point is for those who keep screeching about CNN or BBC taking the Pakis side during the conflict. It will keep on happening until the Armed forces and especially the Government learn to use more definitive and firm language. The weak babu language MEA would use every morning after IAF would absolutely pulverize and humiliate Pakis the night before made me want to puke, it was that effeminate.
 
Very much the on ground sentiments since last night. People are disgusted and no satisfactory communication from govt end at all. Cherry on top - the unanswered IW campaign by the adversary.
I made the targets count to them .
On all fronts
Jammu me ' akhnoor dragger , aur hajipir
Punjab me , bare minimum sikh religious sites
Rajasthan me tharparkaar minimum, maximum in an ideal world thrust till indus river .
Karachi me individual targets , karachi port , ormara base , paf shah Faisal etc .
Oil refinery.
The old guy asked me , how do you know this , I should him google earth .
He was amazed , but angry nonetheless at leaderji .
 
I am so amazed that the IT cell members who were calling the de-escalators as traitors(and rightfully as the entire nation was fed up of pak), is now calling the sudden ceasefire as masterstroke.

Modi govt accepted the ceasefire in such a hurry that it looks like as if we were in a disadvantageous position.

They have already started flooding the SM with praises for their "Supreme Leader". How foolish these people think the RW ecosystem is? I think that they are still trusting the TINA factor.

I am really hoping hoping a few electoral setbacks to bring some sense back to the top leadership, even better a change in the top leadership. Jaishankar's gang must be purged out of the sensitive positions. Honor of the Ministry of Defense must be restored.

Abe kitni baar apna ye faltu ka propaganda baar baar post karega be?

Arguments mein damm toh hai nahi tere, ek hi cheez baar baar spam kiye jaa raha hai. Saale, debate karni aati nahi toh aata kaheko hai forum mein apni bakchodi pelne? Aur kuch argument hai toh bata. Ek hi bakwas kar raha hai tab se. Government job lagi nahi kya jo itna jal raha hai tera? Saale constructive toh kuch bol sakta hai nahi, jo aadmi desh ke bhalai ke liye kaam kar raha hai uske baccho ka shakal post kar raha hai saale open forum mein? Sharam hai ki nahi, chutiye? Ideology ki baat raha hai bhosdika, abhi tera browser history nikalu toh aurton ke samne mu dikha ne layak nahi bachega. Tere bhai, behen, baccho ka photo open forum mein post karke violence instigate karu toh kaisa lagega tereko? Geopolitics ki samajh toh hai nahi tujhe 2 take ki, baat karta hai sala. Jisko gaaliya de raha hai uske 1% bhi bann ja toh desh ka actual mein bhalai hoga saale. Bohot der se teri bakchodi dekh raha hu. Kaafi bhaunk liya, ab chup ho jaa.

Kindly, don't shoot the messenger. This factor cannot be denied.
 
Amit shah has not been a very good home minister itself .
Andolan , Shaheen bagh etc .
Raksha mantri ban usko bhi kharab karwana hai
Anti naxal op was not even covered

If you remember, we were killing 30-40 naxalis every week in the Q1 of 2025 and even in the last half of 2024

Yes kisan andolan and shaheen bagh were his failures
 
Abe kitni baar apna ye faltu ka propaganda baar baar post karega be?

Arguments mein damm toh hai nahi tere, ek hi cheez baar baar spam kiye jaa raha hai. Saale, debate karni aati nahi toh aata kaheko hai forum mein apni bakchodi pelne? Aur kuch argument hai toh bata. Ek hi bakwas kar raha hai tab se. Government job lagi nahi kya jo itna jal raha hai tera? Saale constructive toh kuch bol sakta hai nahi, jo aadmi desh ke bhalai ke liye kaam kar raha hai uske baccho ka shakal post kar raha hai saale open forum mein? Sharam hai ki nahi, chutiye? Ideology ki baat raha hai bhosdika, abhi tera browser history nikalu toh aurton ke samne mu dikha ne layak nahi bachega. Tere bhai, behen, baccho ka photo open forum mein post karke violence instigate karu toh kaisa lagega tereko? Geopolitics ki samajh toh hai mahi tujhe 2 take ki, baat karta hai sala. Jisko gaaliya de raha hai uske 1% bhi bann ja toh desh ka actual mein bhalai hoga saale. Bohot der se teri bakchodi dekh raha hu. Kaafi bhaunk liya, ab chup ho jaa.
Bhai ji ek baat ka jawab dedijiye .
Apko kis baat ka gussa hai asal me ?
Haa sang thoda frustrated hai , lekin apko kyu gussa hai .
Ap is engagement ka outcome se satisfied hai ?
Hain aap ?
Yadi haa , fir to okay .
But I think you too are not satisfied with this result.
Bhai in any war , jab tak territorial changes nai hote na , however minute .
Its outcome can always be contested.
Pakis very successfully hide 65 defeats of their, are they able to hide 71 defeat ? Or Siachen defeat ?
Nai na , yes it will be in long run a testament to India's response, regardless of propaganda but it won't hurt them permanently like loss of territory would have .
 
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Our assessment indicates that Pakistan's conventional warfare capabilities are significantly limited. Specifically, their air defense systems proved inadequate to effectively counter our operations. While we possessed the clear conventional superiority to achieve a decisive military victory, potentially neutralizing their air force by destroying their remaining airbases within hours, we chose a different path.

Our actions, particularly the targeting of three of their airbases, were perceived as having crossed a critical, albeit unstated, red line for Pakistan. The threat of nuclear retaliation from their side was evaluated as genuine and imminent. This assessment is corroborated by the events you referenced – the attempted missile test reportedly aimed at Delhi and other observed seismic data, which we interpreted as indicators of potential nuclear preparations or signaling. Had we not agreed to a ceasefire, it was assessed that they would have escalated to the use of nuclear weapons.

Engaging in a nuclear war serves no rational purpose. A 'victory' in such a conflict would be hollow, as there would be no society left to benefit from it, with the potential loss of life reaching catastrophic levels, estimated at over 1.6 billion people globally.

Given this existential threat, a more strategic approach is to employ limited, punitive conventional actions, demonstrating our capability and imposing costs, but de-escalating through a ceasefire before reaching Pakistan's nuclear threshold. This contained use of force, followed by calculated withdrawal, achieves tactical objectives without triggering a civilization-ending conflict.

Maintaining high-level communication channels, even amidst hostilities, is paramount to prevent miscalculation and ensure the avoidance of nuclear war. We must recognize that their strategic calculus and decision-making processes ('psychology') may differ significantly from our own.

While the decision to implement a ceasefire might be viewed with dissatisfaction in hindsight, potentially sacrificing immediate conventional gains for the sake of public perception or appearing decisive ('optics'), the alternative – a nuclear exchange – would have resulted in unimaginable destruction, leaving nothing left to cherish or regret.

This recent engagement unequivocally demonstrated Pakistan's conventional military inferiority compared to ours. It underscores the critical necessity of avoiding prolonged conventional escalation, which could inadvertently lead to their reliance on nuclear weapons as a last resort. We possess alternative means to counter terrorism and impose costs if their support for such activities continues.

The initiation of nuclear war represents an irreversible step with catastrophic consequences; there is no 'going back' once the nuclear button is pressed. Therefore, any future military planning, especially concerning conventional strikes, must carefully factor in Pakistan's limited conventional capacity and their potential reliance on nuclear deterrence. Ultimately, preventing nuclear war is the overriding imperative, outweighing considerations of short-term optics or the complete annihilation of their conventional forces.
 

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