Operation Sindoor

Yep, far too much vitriol towards Modi and calling for not voting him.

Double of what was aimed at pak even.
It is to be expected bcos we and the armed forces have been given the KLPD by every damn govt in power right from 1971.
1971 - comprehensively defeated pork but gave away all gains and pows for nothing
1987 - could have capitalized wrt china using sunder ji doctrine, GoI chicknd out
1999 - don't cross LoC, don't move LoC by even an inch
2019 - balakot strikes, Abhinandan shot down, stopped pressing home the advantage
2021 - galwan , kailash heights advantage again given away on negotiations by babus
2025 - agreed to a lame ceasefire without even forcing porks to handover masood azhar, other hvts and assholes responsible for pahalgam planning & attack.

So its a cumulative rage and not just against modi.
America has a deep state that actively works to preserve its natl security interests.
Bharath has babus who actively work to protect their selfish image & interests.
This is the gut wrenching frustrating truth.
 
Now I see people coming to senses, this government raised expectation and combined with anger from long time it was expected it would go sky high. We are uncontested winners by extreme margin.

People had extremely high and unrealistic expectations,
Via those PC's, we know Govt objectives

>Blast paki terror camps
>Fight swift retards with befitting reply
>de-escalate
>proportional response
>go back to dhandho and ekanami.

Objective was not
>Defang Paki by deleting their conventional capability, jets, ships, tanks
>Retake PoK

Like forum memberaans hyped themselves up into thinking.

We have won, we inflicted such damage on them but they were never able to inflict the same on us, we hit their major Punjabi cities( including Pindi ), they couldn't hit a single one of ours.


I am dissapointed but then even Op Sindoor was a miracle considering the dhando & ekanami first mindset of govt
 
I have already explained the reason I see behind this "limited conflict".

Modi wanted something bigger better than 2019 (public spectacle, big explosions), he got it and then offered a ramp-off to Pakistan in the form of 3 Rafale jets downing. Just watch the official statements given to the foreign media by several GoI officials including the first press briefing on the "Operation Sindoor".

He had expected the situation to die down quickly with both the sides claiming victories of their own, but the mad Maulana (Pakistan's Army Chief) grabbed and belled the cat through further escalation.

Many defense experts are already calling it a battle of Credibility, there never existed any "military" or "strategic" objective.

Men and material have been sacrificed to protect the reputation of the Supreme Leader.
So you want a war where we give a decisive blow without any loss of men or material? Have you been visiting the enemy forum that you are catching on their delusional thinking? This operation was all about visuals. Modi and our military leaders are well aware of the fact that killing 100s of Masood Azhars have no impact on their jihadi psyche. But the visuals of Pakistan citizens panicking when a huge mosque/madrassa in the middle of Bahawalpur Punjab, 100s of kms from the border goes up in crimson flames, those are some powerful imaginary which they can't shake it off. Actually we should thank Muneer because of his obsession to strike the last blow, we could test our ADs successfully to our heart's content and in return bombing visuals of his destroyed air bases will continue to haunt them.


Also please refrain from their repeated lies of 3 rafales down. If Pakis really achieved any of it they wouldn't have to resort to fake imageries. That might be the reason for Muneer to up the ante but he got more than he could chew
 
@haldilal create seperate thread for discussion about operations achievement
Of operation sindoor

This has became more of chit chat threads
Rather ask mods to make a article editable by mods only, summarising the operation. Something like @mist_consecutive made for Indo-China Clashes in 2020 on DFI or how @ezsasa regularly posts timelines.

That would help people who are unable to keep up with the dynamic situation and help everyone in the future.
 
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please share your thoughts

- Did Operation Sindoor(not just the first day strike but as a whole) met it's goal or did it fall short or did they overachieved ? If not, what do you think the minimum goal was (& what you would've like it to be) ?

- How did GOI did in information/media space ? Did they do a good job and if not WHAT CAN WE DO NOW (not in future but now)

- What did we learn from Operation Sindoor ? Tactically, strategically, technology and diplomatically

- what should be the immediate measures now
Here are mine

- I think GOI wanted to push the overtone window as much as possible without triggering a nuclear crisis. We showed that Pakistan military's most sacred/sensitive sites/assets are at our mercy, 24/7, 365 days. I would've preferred a complete totaling of PN & PAF and putting them out of service for next 10yrs but that just me

- I think we were too rigid with our opsec that we allowed pak and its gora masters to fill the information gap with pak convenient face savers. I really liked the idea which saurav jha suggested that we should do a foreign press tour of the targets Pakistan claimed it hit (I have no idea how practical it is OPSEC wise)

- TACTICALLY I think our weapon of the match (similar to man of the match) is a tie between BrahMos and our AD. BrahMos cut through pak AD like a hot knife through butter and couldn't do anything but watch. Imagine the khundus they must have felt when they couldn't repeat the same against us. Thanks to our world class air defense network. Akash & L-70s were the unsung heroes of op Sindoor. Also S400's OFFENSIVE capability tiped the scale in our favor just as BrahMos did, they have no answer for it.
STRATEGICALLY I'm not sure if attriting PAF & PN was nuke safe. I hope it was. We have to see when more info becomes available.
DIPLOMATICALLY we confirmed that our suspicion of US was 100% justified and US will go to any length to maintain their leverage (Pakistan) on India. Nothing changed sonce Nixon days. Presidents come and go but the policy stays the same. Never forget who is the sutradhar behind the scourge of terrorism & islamism in sub continent. Pakistan is just a puppet/a mask.
TECHNOLOGICALLY we saw it was the indigenous weapons which gave us the edge (BrahMos, Akash, astra etc.) over Pakistan. In fact we have to call on our domestic suppliers in moment of crisis.

- immediate measures we can take as as follows
= arrange a tour of foreign journalists to the target sites pak have mentioned in their pressers.
= don't own attrition if a pilot's live is not lost.
= arrange a 36 aircraft flyby over rajpath (pull whatever favor you have to for it).
(DON'T GIVE SUARS THE SATISFACTION)
= announce major hydro projects on chenab & jhelum. And start work on war footing.
= super sukhoi needs to be expedited with possible r-37 imports.
= expedited DRDO AWACS & DRSO ISTAR platform
= expedited LRCM, Pralay, LR-ASM, Astra mk3
= need to sign the f414 deal. Many things depends on it.
= punative sanctions against turkey (impose the cost)
= build an international news org like RT.com
 
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This is an absolute non-factor.
India has always been a democratic parliamentary form of government that employs a bureaucratic arm for administrative and foreign relations purposes.
Implying that any single person in the government, holding ANY office (much less a bureaucratic one) has the power to unilaterally change the course of action THIS drastically in ANY matter of national importance under ANY personal circumstance, abduction of family included, implies that we are in essence as "dysfunctional" as the Paksitani Government, something your "messenger" mentioned in a previous post of his.
Let's clarify this: India is a vibrant, functional democracy. Do not mistake India for Pakistan.
India is Pakistan.

OUr leadership sold out our dead, just like Pakis do. Sem2sem bendover for Uncle Sam.

You seem very angry at publically available information of Foreign settled liabilities. You know they themselves have linkedIN pages proudly displaying where they work and who they work for right?

You remember those American officials with Russian wives who were actually spies?

Now, in any other govt someone with a Japanese wife and foreign settled children would be considered a liability. There's so many potential leverages and pressure points I can't even fathom.

Japanese are American allies right?hmm
 
Buddy, I have got close family members in the top bureaucracy, including a few in the central ministries. It is like a family heirloom.

Indian politicians have deep distrust for the military and rely heavily on the bureaucrats to do their dirty works (babus are aggreable, military officers not so much).

Just look at the number of ex-bureaucrats holding positions in the central cabinet. Modi even granted ticket to a freshly retired ex-ambassador to contest election from Punjab in 2024. Modi is known for relying heavily on the babus since his days as Gujarat's CM.

So do I, buddy. And I mean REAL close. So don't teach me how the bureaucracy in our country works. And no, it's not a family heirloom anymore. FAR from it.
The reason Modi uses bureaucrats is that he knows that these guys know the job inside out. Much better than the average Indian politician. Anyways, I don't need your validation to know that this policy of Modi's is right, when even opposition leaders laud it. Shut your trap. It reeks of ignorance and propaganda.
 

Because we didn't give any material to media, we didn't counter their stupid claims. We're the silent bob thinking we're being smart.
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What a terrible failure has been our communications particularly those led by MEA. Even in such serious times we were interested in the optics of Naari Shakti and secularism. There were very little briefings on our offensive operations where not much details of Paki losses included their jet losses maybe the pacifist babu/politician up there was too eager for peace. Even news of Pakistani AWACs going down which looks 99% true was not communicated to the world. Pakistan took advantage of info vacuum and the result is for all to see
 
So basically, the whole operations involved only the Air force. Army and navy were hardly involved. Air force has the smallest budget allocation, yet they made the highest damage+negating the attacks through AD.

Army has also a air defence . Army Air defence unit's role was critical.. and para sf did some stuff .
 
Entire country is angry. Vishwaguru is only intrested in winning elections. Nothing else. In few days he will be back to election campaign mode.

Jaishankar needs to be removed. He is most overrated minister. His achivements are zero. Only reason he has his job because Gora Sahib likes him.

Bhajipao IT cell is angry at Indira comparisons but reality is that lady fiished the job against impossible odds.

Now Doland Bhai will ask to mediate in Kashmir too. We will go back to same 2 same era with Pakistan after this.

Tiny israel who is dependent on USA for everything isn't listening to them. But Vishwaguru is only one phone call away from stopping the war.

Why are we buying Rafale? Why evan bother with any defence spending? They will rust away with no use. When enemy attcks just run to Gora Sahib and ask for ceasefire.

Meanwhile pakistan now knows their Air defence weakness. They will procure some good air defence system before attacking India once again. Then same rona dhona will begin.

Yesterday I leaned that Modi is no different from Nehru who stopped Kashmir war when we were on the verge of total victory.

What a shame.

Why we still have this thread open. Everything is over.
I don't know which country you live in. I haven't met one since Y'day who is 'angry'. Disappointed somewhat, but not angry.

We walloped Pakistan and everyone knows that.

We bloody smashed Noor Ali airbase which means we could have hit GHQ in Pindi. Most people understands that India had already shown Pakistan who their abbu is. We wanted more like a few dozens fighters down or a few thousand bodybags of porkies.

Yet nobody wanted a protracted war. I didn't. I am always in favour of short reprisals. It is safest for India when Pakistan is busy wasting its money after its military because such spendings don't build infra which makes them economically viable, but creates blackhole when their economy spiral down.


And those morons calling for Jaishankar's head are too stupid to comprehend that India doesn't exist in a vaccum. The very same people crib about no relaxation in Income Tax or high rate of GST, but apparently ready to sacrifice the whole economy for an undecided objective regarding war with Pakistan.

And for what? So that they can posture in social media?

These are the morons comparing Porkistan with Gaza, and even don't realise the difference of the span and scope of the two different conflict!


Btw procure good air defence? Porkies already knew of the holes in their AD. Or did you miss the memo about Balakot or the Brahmos 'missfire'? What can they do? Where can they find enough money or tech to 'fill' those gaps?! If they do start procuring such systems, it would take at least 4-5 years to get ready. By then, do you think our armed forces would sit pretty?

If you are dumb enough to equate Modi with Nehru, then nobody can help you.


All the morons of the India was hoping for a Balakot+ 2.0, but they got Bhawalpur and then Noor Ali, yet are disappointed. Such people cannot be satisfied with anything till nuclear winter sets in.

These people, at the larger scheme of the things, don't matter. They can live with their disappointment and their innate stupidity when India lives on to make a better future for its people of whom about 11% still lives below poverty line. 11% means 110 million which is a far bigger number than any dumbasses feeling aggrieved in the bloody social media that they cannot respond to the gloating of even worse losers of Porkistan.

Btw, how much of an idiot one has to be to ignore the clear signs of victory that we have received and crib only that we 'supposedly' gave in to US pressure?!!! India had to give in before US pressure in 1999 as well as 2008. Yet in 2025 we breached IB, struck near their heart and called their nuke bluff by increasing nuke threshold. And then there is IWT suspension.


Those who live a life with tunnel vision, expecting others to fulfill their desires, and don't see the wider picture, often are losers addicted to complaining. But those who deal with complex problems, learns early on that to be successful one has to be flexible.


Modi doesn't have to satisfy any such persons' ego, he just has to take right decision at right time keeping in the wider picture.
 
Hi friends,

I’m Rajesh from Bangalore, returning to this Indian defence forum after 6–7 years. I had an old account here but forgot the ID after posting just 10 times—I left because it felt like a one-sided narrative.

I was active on PDF until today, but got banned for consistently challenging their narrative.

By nature, I’m open-minded. I listen to both sides and don’t blindly follow or believe anything—whether it’s from the Indian government, media, or even the army establishment.

I hope to stay here for the long run. But just a heads-up—I won’t support any one-sided stories blindly. Thanks for bearing with me.
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I still wonder how you survived their all these years especially when Article 370 time Ram mandir verdict.
 
India is Pakistan.

OUr leadership sold out our dead, just like Pakis do.
Sem2sem bendover for Uncle Sam.

Am I seriously gonna have to be the only one who has a problem with this @Mods and fellow DFBians?

The "foreign liabilities" are displaying their professional achievements. The likes of you are putting their faces on an open forum, rife with enemies of the state, and using incredibly objectionable language against them. See the difference?

Also, Japanese wife and Japan and the USA are allies, so Trump has leverage on Jaisahankar?! Tf are you on, man?!
 
Hi friends,

I’m Rajesh from Bangalore, returning to this Indian defence forum after 6–7 years. I had an old account here but forgot the ID after posting just 10 times—I left because it felt like a one-sided narrative.

I was active on PDF until today, but got banned for consistently challenging their narrative.

By nature, I’m open-minded. I listen to both sides and don’t blindly follow or believe anything—whether it’s from the Indian government, media, or even the army establishment.

I hope to stay here for the long run. But just a heads-up—I won’t support any one-sided stories blindly. Thanks for bearing with me.
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I still wonder how you survived their all these years especially when Article 370 time Ram mandir verdict.
 
Let’s get rid of these aman ki asha gang. Theee suar ke bacche are being behind govt action of de escalation. In kurte ke baccho ko chodo mat.
They are praising govt did good to cease fire and now we identify them. And you know how to get rid of em.
Paztan will hit back and this war will ne back . Save this message .
Government Dari hai chini aur american se. We are not scared. Haryana is always ready to fight .
Aao saale paki tumhari…..: hum nahi hain peace loving chuchi .
 

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