Operation Sindoor

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1921966907919401393

 

[moroboshi]

maybe in somethings but in defense technology they are a joke of a nation and pakis
a bigger joke for using their weapons.

Like I said, I would minimize them at our own peril. They have the capability and resources. Even if their defense products are not up to grade now when compared to American or European countries, it's only a matter of time before they will be.

Anyway, not the right thread for this discussion so I will stop.

 

[Viper316]

Army issues a statement to public "less significant drone incursions" nothing to worry. The new protocol is a really worrying, does catergoririzing the significance right approach during ceasefire, DGMOs agreed both sides will not fire single bullet.

 

[trombone]

((( Sanctity of ceasefire ))) will be preserved
Perhaps a proportionate response will be given.

I doubt.

NO TV channel is showing these drone attacks.
Gormint gag order, obviously.

Instead all are playing iron leader's "speech" on infinite loop - per instructions from some I&B babu, again obviously.

 

[TringTringMonster]

I feel this is a tactical pause I had predicted earlier.

Is there any mobilization going on in Pakistan side or Indian Side?

Something is coming. Maybe in another 15 days. Or maybe in coming months. This might be also a way to prempt a big terror attack that Indian intelligence has gotten wind up.

BLA also needs to be watched. Also Chinese too.

About the Chinese -
The year they did galwan, they conducted military exercises near LAC in Jan in 2020

This year conducted military exercises near LAC for the first time since 2020.

So we might see a coordinated Chinese action this year or next or even in days or months. But I feel it's imminent.

Anyway, we should be patient and not react emotionally.

 

[Muzh]

Few corrections, Chaghai Hills are 700km from the closest Indian Air base. IAF did not go west of the Shahbaz AFB in Jacocabad. We do not have the reach or the capability to destroy nuclear weapons in a direct strike, the way people think. What we have is a way to decapitate their Command and Control, limit their access to their nuclear weapons by blowing up their AFB, and destroying the access tunnels to their nuclear storage facilities. Unless you are sending 10000+ SF troops, 100s of scientists, and provide them local air cover while maintaining fire support through artillery or CM/BM, you cannot take out Pakistani nukes. They maintain their nukes at 3 different storage sites, and some nukes are readily available at airbases. Some of their Nukes are already mounted on TELs and roam all across the country 24x7, ready to strike our civilian or military infrastructure.

Such a mission would require a relentless air campaign, 10000+ SF troops, 100s of nuclear scientists, 1000+ helicopters and 1000+ artillery guns, and 100+ rocket and missile launchers. You might as well start a ground and naval war with the pakis than start such a high stakes SF mission.

If we indeed manage to denuclearise Pakistan through the newly established norms, all well and good. Else, the best we can do is to deny them a nuclear triad. If they start developing an SLBM, we should preemptively bomb that missile and that facility. That risks global condemnation, but that risk is worth it. No nuclear power would like a rabid dog with an SLBM that could reach their cities and population centers.

My information is based on what Major General Narayanan stated in the interview. He did not specify which platform was used to hit Chagai nuclear facilities. So we should not assume the air force was used.

You can absolutely hit anyone's nuclear storage facilities with CM or BM provided you have the ability to penetrate their air defenses and your munition is potent enough to take out the storage. No one is suggesting that, you are guaranteed 100% success in this type of strike or any strike for that matter. War is unpredictable and it is foolish to assume otherwise. Radiation containment is the major issue here and the manpower would be needed for that. But that is Pakistan's responsibility. They are the one who started this conflict. I think the reason we stopped hitting Pakistani nuclear facilities, is we ourselves wanted to assess the situation (radiation from damaged bombs) before continuing.

It is understood that to neutralize war fighting capacity of a nuclear armed adversary such as Pakistan, would require large scale land invasion. But that is not what we are talking about here. Based on the actions we undertook, our tactic and scope was following:
a. Take out any BM that was launched as soon as possible
b. Take out any aircraft that approached LOC/IB
c. Destroy their air force bases
d. Destroy their command and control (Nur Khan base)
c. Destroy their facilities where nuclear weapons are mated with US F-16 and Chinese missiles
d. Destroy their nuclear bombs in the storage facilities

I will watch that interview again, and I will provide you the list of Pakistani nuclear facilities that were hit. To me, it does sound plausible that majority of their nukes were destroyed. Majority of course does not mean all. Pakistan unfortunately still does have nuclear weapons. And, we sadly, will have to deal with this again.

I agree with you: we should be more proactive. We should constantly look for an excuse to start wars with Pakistan with the explicit aim of degrading their military buildup specially nuclear buildup.

 

[redpanda]

So what are we waiting to give a bigger retaliation? A hit?

This feels like just new normal. Now drones are the new artillery shells.

 

[crazywithmath]

I doubt.

NO TV channel is showing these drone attacks.
Gormint gag order, obviously.

Instead all are playing iron leader's "speech" on infinite loop - per instructions from some I&B babu, again obviously.

Republic is covering it.

View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1921966117007831332

ANI is covering it.

Some other mediawallahs are reporting too.

 

[Oldworld]

View: https://x.com/majorgauravarya/status/1921452591440871435

I was astonished to see how many of our idiots trying to apologize to Iran.

Fuck Iran.
Fuck that Suar ka bacha.

What Major Gaurav did was right.

And those shitty Iranians who think they can play a double game with us and Pakis need to be taught a lesson.

If we won't buy their oil, let me see who buys. Those thin skinned idiots think we should apologize for them helping out Pak?

Did we apologize to the Turkroaches?

Anybody who sides with Pak is a Pig. That's all.

But I see so many of our low esteem pajeets asking major to apologize. Saying strategic relations will be affected.

Did the Iranians think about it when they spout venom over Kashmir

Or how about Mullahs and Pakijeets inside the country who take out rallies and spout venom against Israel?

Fuck them

As per an US diplomat's opinion, I had read in wikileaks long ago

Iran sees both India and Pakistan as counterweights to each other

Given history, they fear an India not countered by Pakistan will eventually focus on them and a sunni majority Pakistan with military ties with Arab and Turkey will target Iran.

 

[sameer]

BS…… proven inadequate, first in the commercial world with poor quality and now in the military world with poorest of all quality.

Maybe that was true few decades ago but not now..

Either way we should always overestimate, over-prepare for the opponent and assume that they're competent, not vice-versa - else we'll be in for a big surprise.

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/azistabst/status/1921963306694123934

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Like I said, I would minimize them at our own peril. They have the capability and resources. Even if their defense products are not up to grade now when compared to American or European countries, it's only a matter of time before they will be.

Anyway, not the right thread for this discussion so I will stop.

highly doubtful ?? what makes you think they will be equal in the future?? They have
not caught up to USA in many industries though they claim to have.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

Pakistanis desperately want to be put in place, Modi clearly said this was a temporary cessation of attacking ops - contingent on good Pakistani behavior. Well they've been misbehaving since 5 minutes after the ceasefire was declared. They're itching to get fucked, or, "Taange utthi hui hain dil-e-beqaraar ki" as they say in vernacular. Give it to them.

 

[Sanglamorre]

This drone warfare will not end until india controls the Karachi port withe evey shipment being checked. The drone warfare is part of bleed by thousand cut philosophy that they had.

You have to stop the drones from reaching the port.

They got Turks to send drone through planes.

More to the point is, will this not be considered terror attacks? If the line is drawn at terror attacks will see terrible reprisals, then this deserves it.

If it is seen as enemy army attacking, then automatically deserves reprisals.

They're baiting IA to start actions.

 

[moroboshi]

Yes however the key thing is they missed intercepting half of them . Recently a solitary ballistic missile from the Yemen hit the Israeli airport , one of the most protected places in the world despite multiple attempts to intercept it via a layered system .

Claiming that we will intercept all of Paks nuclear missiles is jsut dangerous talk .

Many of Israel's interceptors track the projected point of impact, and will not engage if the point of impact is not a military or civilian asset.

Did it hit airport infrastructure (building, runway, or something)? Asking because I am not aware...

 

[Degenarate]

How much cheap drones does Pakis have for them to do these incursions on a regular basis? There must be a pattern to this madness. They are trying to deplete our ADs resources and set in fatigue. Not to mention set in a false sense of comfort that all they are sending in some drones which is not doing any damage. I am now sure this is a prelude to a massive attack planned by PAF on our airbases. They are the ones who got humiliated the most and hence need visuals like we have of their airbase strikes. This attack may come sooner rather than later. This is far from over. Hope our forces remain alert throughout.

 

[TringTringMonster]

My information is based on what Major General Narayanan stated in the interview. He did not specify which platform was used to hit Chagai nuclear facilities. So we should not assume the air force was used.

You can absolutely hit anyone's nuclear storage facilities with CM or BM provided you have the ability to penetrate their air defenses and your munition is potent enough to take out the storage. No one is suggesting that, you are guaranteed 100% success in this type of strike or any strike for that matter. War is unpredictable and it is foolish to assume otherwise. Radiation containment is the major issue here and the manpower would be needed for that. But that is Pakistan's responsibility. They are the one who started this conflict. I think the reason we stopped hitting Pakistani nuclear facilities is because we ourselves wanted to assess the situation (radiation from damaged bombs) before continuing.

It is understood that to neutralize war fighting capacity of a nuclear armed adversary such as Pakistan, would require large scale land invasion. But that is not what we are talking about here. Based on the actions we undertook, our tactic and scope was following:
a. Take out any BM that was launched as soon as possible
b. Take out any aircraft that approached LOC/IB
c. Destroy their Air Force bases
d. Destroy their command and control (Nur Khan base)
c. Destroy their facilities where nuclear weapons are mated with US F-16 and Chinese missiles
d. Destroy their nuclear bombs in the storage facilities

I will watch that interview again, and I will provide you the list of Pakistani nuclear facilities that were hit. To me, it does sound plausible that majority of their nukes were destroyed. Majority of course does not mean all. Pakistan unfortunately still does have nuclear weapons. And, we sadly, will have to deal with this again.

I agree with you: we should be more proactive. We should constantly look for an excuse to start wars with Pakistan with the explicit aim of degrading their military buildup specially nuclear buildup.

General was asked from the highest levels to shut up. He confirmed in the live stream going on just 30 mins ago.

Also the speculated that video that went viral might be scrubbed but he also said it's too late cuz many people have downloaded it.

 

[samsaptaka]

View attachment 35312Akashteer - control room - inside

View attachment 35313
BEL delivering 100 mobile Akashteer control centers

Thank you, May this continue..

AkashTeer, shame on me, never heard about this system at all ! Pls pardon my ignorance, but have we discussed this before on DFB or DFI anytime?

BRAHMOS absolutely the MVP of this battle.
Its now a valuable battle tested weapon for the whole world to see.
Wonders can be achieved if india and russia collabrates for any weapon.

is MVP in Asthra domain, Akashteer in Shastra domain

 

[Nicky]

maybe in somethings but in defense technology they are a joke of a nation and pakis
a bigger joke for using their weapons.

Exactly they are good where precision and quality doesn't matter as much, like consumer goods.

Defence equipment is a whole different ball game. All Chini equipment has turned out to be trash.

I doubt its .uch different for their 5th gen jets and BMs.

I feel this is a tactical pause I had predicted earlier.

Is there any mobilization going on in Pakistan side or Indian Side?

Something is coming. Maybe in another 15 days. Or maybe in coming months. This might be also a way to prempt a big terror attack that Indian intelligence has gotten wind up.

BLA also needs to be watched. Also Chinese too.

About the Chinese -
The year they did galwan, they conducted military exercises near LAC in Jan in 2020

This year conducted military exercises near LAC for the first time since 2020.

So we might see a coordinated Chinese action this year or next or even in days or months. But I feel it's imminent.

Anyway, we should be patient and not react emotionally.

There was mention in the earlier briefings of Porkies mobilization a couple of days ago. Also, of them clearing border villages and moving big guns up. It might be precautionary.

I agree we would get the chance and Porkies won't be able to hold off for long and try something stupid. However, I don't believe you can let these drones attacks pass day after day.

Chini will always try something short and fast. Let's see how it plays out.

We need to ramp up defence production. Start a fund and you'll see people donating more than taxes.

 

[sauntheninja]

What was restricted to a few villages along LOC which just made news in some offhand part of the newspaper to drones yeah the general public won't tolerate this for long

So what are we waiting to give a bigger retaliation? A hit?

This feels like just new normal. Now drones are the new artillery shells.