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Aman ka g*ndu Pravin Swami ... 75 percent of whose article word count is made of quotes from statesmen and philosophers (probably to show that he is well read) doing Aman ka tamasha again..

Any Indian largesee will economically benefit the Pakistan state and armed forces by giving them control of more resources.. and make Pakistan a bigger conventional threat
 

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Let's not give more importance to Tom Cooper than it's due. It's just another Gora who has his biases and will refuse to see rise of Indian hard power in the subcontinent.

More important, I thought of another angle to this conflict.

We have declared that any act of terror is a act of war.

So what if Pakis use the Jamatis to orchestrate terror attack?

Or Khalistanis blowing up airlines?

Or like 2015 ambush of dogra troops by north east terrorists?

Or if Naxals manage to do another attack like dantewada massacre.

We all know who aids them.

Pakistan, West, China and Bangladesh.

What if a khalistani sitting in Canada orchestrates a attack on India on ISI funding which is extremely hard to prove. Will we punish Pakistan for it?

Or the naxalites supported by Chinese and pak.

The only way it ends is the complete dismemberment of Pak and China.

We might have won this round, we have many more rounds to play and the enemy will be cunning, vicious and treacherous.
 
Tom Cooper's assessment of this war



What can we conclude from all this?

Well, as you wish. Indeed, if you wish, join the Pakistanis (and outlets like CNN) and celebrate a "victory," as their prime minister announced. Many Indians are no doubt angry because they feel their government "didn't finish the job"—even if it had the chance.

But beware: New Delhi has changed its strategy, and Pakistan must now expect a similar – military – response to any new terrorist attack in India. Pakistani deterrence has failed: in fact, it is now non-existent (especially if the Indians continue to improve their stockpiles of air defense munitions). The fighting has also stopped without Islamabad having at least attempted to resolve the issue of New Delhi's suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty. One may also wonder whether Beijing will rush to compensate Pakistani losses and munitions expenditures: I don't think that is likely, unless "someone" (read: Qatar) pays.

Regarding military matters… Unlike the war in Ukraine, this war was fought primarily with 1990s technology, with some improvements over the 2000s. While both India and Pakistan have “decent” integrated air defense systems (IADS) and have deployed attack drones in large numbers, despite significant improvements over the past 20 years (and especially the past 10), they have deployed heavy and expensive systems based on late 20th-century technology. Aside from some self-imposed constraints (on the Indian side), the generals of both countries are still 10 to 15 years behind. That is why they have not yet fully adapted to the latest developments. Indeed, it is likely that this "detail" contributed precisely to Pakistan's decision not only not to escalate, but to stop: due to insufficient stockpiles, its armed forces were on the verge of running out of the only types of munitions that had proven useful – such as attack drones – "even" in a conflict as brief as this one.

Certainly, Pakistan has made better use of the last few years than India, and not only has it acquired "platforms" (first and foremost aircraft), but it has also improved its electronic warfare capabilities and acquired the software necessary for better integration of its weapons. However, the PAF —like the rest of the Pakistani armed forces—severely lacks long-range ground attack weapons. Despite all their claims and boasts, they have no, or far too few, missiles capable of achieving pinpoint accuracy over a range of 300 to 400 km. Certainly nothing comparable to India's Brahmos and SCALP-EGs. Unless Pakistan finds a way to manufacture attack drones similar to Iran's Shaheed, and in large quantities, the situation is unlikely to change anytime soon. In this regard, Pakistan's generals have "missed the boat."

At least the PAF is now capable of conducting "network-centric warfare": it is entirely possible (even likely) that the Pakistani Navy could do the same; only the Pakistani Army is uncertain in this regard. On the contrary, and with the exception of its air defense, India has taken far too little initiative in this regard. The IAF, in particular, is still considerably behind: at present, it is not even clear whether the much-heralded acquisition of secure radios and a system enabling network-centric warfare from Israel has been applied to its entire fleet, or (much more likely) only to a part of its fighter-bomber fleet. That said, once the Indians reset their command and control system and started from scratch—by neutralizing Pakistani air defenses—their conduct of operations improved markedly. Above all, they became professional and remained focused on the essentials, such as neutralizing the PAF air defenses and the PA artillery . When such an operation is carried out in a well-organized manner, positive results are inevitable. In comparison, Pakistani conduct began to degenerate into targeting religious sites (such as Amritsar, with its Sikh holy sites), and making unfounded claims of “destroying S-400s in Adampur” – as if the destruction of a single S-400 SAM system could have completely reversed the situation.

Above all, the intelligence services on both sides failed (and miserably) to learn about major events and report them, while the generals on both sides displayed their usual lack of imagination and inflexible conservatism in planning and conducting operations. No one in India or Pakistan dares to take risks, as doing so could turn out to be a mistake. Unsurprisingly, one thing remains unchanged, and it is already a certainty: in the vocabulary of the Indian armed forces, all this was a "cross-border incident." Not a "war"...

Finally, and most importantly: not only India, but also "the West" might want to – finally – start taking Chinese PR weapons systems much more seriously than they usually do.

That's about it for this "tour"—from me and, I guess, from India and Pakistan too. Thanks for reading all this.

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ADD-ON in reaction to several related questions: Frankly (as always), I couldn't care less about CNN & Co KG GesmbH AG's PR efforts, New Delhi's insistence that "we are a responsible democracy and therefore cannot proclaim military victories," and even less about Western "military experts."

When one side bombs the other's nuclear weapons storage facilities, and the other has no opportunity to retaliate, then that is a clear victory in my eyes.

In this case: a clear victory for India.

Unsurprisingly, Islamabad has "called" for a "ceasefire".


His entire assessment devoid of any real details.

1. He is claiming that we used 90s-2ks tech. When did drones and LM becomes 90s tech.

2. He claimed Pakistan have Integrated Air defence. They don't even have wide variety to SAMs to cover anything. Relied on HQ9 and got shafted.

3. IAF don't have Integrated Air defence, AFNET came online a decade back. The entire AD chain consist of AD guns like L70, ZSU-23-2, D4D followed by Akash, MRSAM and S400. Entire AD is networked. Guy just blabbering bullshit.

4. L70 uses Electro-optics, Radar to detect drones and in pitch black it neutralized everything. Again guy just blabbering some 90s, 2k.

5. India done phenomenal work in terms of Anti Drone systems, We cooked the entire hype of Turkish Drone supremacy where none of them able to strike anything.

Guy just operates in how 3rd worlders can do like this. We are muh superior behavior.


Pakistanis are realizing something is wrong with the narrative peddled by their defense forces

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The answer is already there in the paragraph. Google, Facebook are playing with algos and erasing proof. Now they will spin the story.
 
At least the PAF is now capable of conducting "network-centric warfare": it is entirely possible (even likely) that the Pakistani Navy could do the same; only the Pakistani Army is uncertain in this regard. On the contrary, and with the exception of its air defense, India has taken far too little initiative in this regard. The IAF, in particular, is still considerably behind: at present, it is not even clear whether the much-heralded acquisition of secure radios and a system enabling network-centric warfare from Israel has been applied to its entire fleet, or (much more likely) only to a part of its fighter-bomber fleet.

Yes, PAF and PN us capable of NCW while Indian forces aren't. Our datalinks, military comm sats are just for show. I mean where do these Goras get their nonsense from?

 
Pardon me if this has been covered & I have missed it. I was wondering why there has been no sighting of any F-16s being up in air during the entire conflict. There have been couple of claims of dowing of F-16s which have not been confirmed. The only mentions have been of Chinese aircraft & Mirage

Also one of the claims which as close to confirmed as possible is a Mirage III/V being downed & debries being found in India. Connecting the 2 dots. If they had F-16s why would they use such an old Mirage in an attack role? For me atleast this does not add up. Were all F-16s grounded? or were not allowed to take part in attack missions?

This is my hunch but F16's were probably not used. They come with end use monitoring rules. There are a team of US contractors who are supposed to monitor these F16's. At least per US end user agreements with pakies, the F16's esp the newer F16 C/D block 52's can only be used for COIN and CT operations and not against "neighbouring" countries.

Now that's all in theory and on paper, whether that's thoroughly followed in practice and how seriously the US monitors this is a different question which I don't know.
 
drone game lets us kill terrorists and its backer better than unknown men …

so let it play we are no longer reactionary…
media needs to be calmed these are basically covert ops.

all we need are unlimited supply of suicide and FPV drones which are Made in India and pakis will run out of terrorists
The only thing all drone activity is disrupting day to day activities especially economic activities of region. Do you understand disruption flights how much disrupts region especially when North western is poorly covered with rail network?
 
Pakistanis are realizing something is wrong with the narrative peddled by their defense forces

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The scheme didn't work out as most of them were found to be photoshopped. So they're silently retracting one by one before losing the rest of the credibility. They still believe that their army did something. Can't blame them. The whole country is a victim of illiteracy, blind patriotism & army manipulation. Jet crashes is the only claim they can get away with without proof. Then China & CNN tried to bank in by quoting each other's unknown sources & their defence minister's interviews.
Another hilarious musing is that they attacked power grids crippling India's 70% of the power system 😂 They've all the pamphlets ready with the check boxes in case the other one falls out.
 
Aman ka g*ndu Pravin Swami ... 75 percent of whose article word count is made of quotes from statesmen and philosophers (probably to show that he is well read) doing Aman ka tamasha again..

Any Indian largesee will economically benefit the Pakistan state and armed forces by giving them control of more resources..

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The delusions of Pakistani slaves in India.

They want Indian tax payer money to fund agricultural & other development project funds in Pakistan.

So then you might ask what about Pakistani money? Ofc, that would be reserved for buying facy new planes & other assorted weapons.
 
The only thing all drone activity is disrupting day to day activities especially economic activities of region. Do you understand disruption flights how much disrupts region especially when North western is poorly covered with rail network?

We dont have a choice here do we?

pakis started it if we stop and cant use air strikes now this is the only way,
dont worry after few months they will ask for cease fire…
 
Filthy stinking honey trapped traitor

Imagine .. being more of a Pakistani than the Pakistani himself.

His role here is propaganda for enemy.

Traitor is alluding to "big Pakistani hits" when nothing happened & there is no proof whatsoever.

He is just butt-hurt that his abbajaan got BTFO'ed.
 
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