Operation Sindoor

[Nibbler]

Does Nic Robertson say : Right after the Kirana strikes at 0:29.. ?
Pakistan foreign minister is lying as usual.. Many in India twitter space are angry .


View: https://x.com/NicRobertsonCNN/status/1922030148880134268?t=kfb8ctMwYXGmy2OZCEWERw&s=19

He said after counter strikes

Not kirana

 

[Bleh]

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Spencer said that India's growing defense self-reliance, driven by the 'Make in India' initiative, has led to a major leap in indigenous production

www.businesstoday.in

 

[dr.defence]

This will be an unpopular post but I couldn't resist from posting. Lot of questions bothering me.

1. Objective of Operation Sindoor is to punish the Terrorists, their handlers and their backers. When we attacked the Terror camps, Pakis responded by launching counter attacks on our forces. Instead of demolishing them, we just were content in hitting only Terror camps and even in the press meet after Foreign Secretary went to great lengths to emphasize that no military establishments were targeted.

Why is this so? Wasn't it a great opportunity to teach a lesson to Pakis when they were trying to interfere with our attacks on Terror camps?

Does this not contradict our original idea of punishing the Terror backers or is it our official stance that Paki Army is not backing Terrorists? And what the hell is this Proportionate response? Why the hell everyday in the pressers we keep telling we will not do anything more unless Pak does something?

2. Even a novice can predict that Pakis will counter our attack on Terror camps. What should've been our approach?
Wouldn't it have been better to announce to the world that while punishing the terrorists if Pakis come in between, they will be considered as Terrorist supporters and targeted too and then launch the attacks at a time of our choosing, rather than tying hands of forces not to attack the Paki Military and sending them to bomb terror camps?

3. Ok. Now that we've shown our military superiority and made Pakistan beg for Ceasefire, did we meet our Objective?
Are the terrorists scared to come out in the open? Will Pakis stop supporting Terrorists?

My answer is a HARD NO. We have already seen too many videos of terrorists calling out for avenging the attacks. We have seen assholes like Afridi taking out Victory parade in Karachi. Don't get me started on the narrative war. Paki buggers have been circulating fake videos of blasts in India and circulating in their local groups which will assuage people who ask questions about blasts in their cities. Then what is the point of this operation? What did it achieve?

4. Let me tell you what we should've done.

a. We should've fucked the PAKI army on the first day when they tried to stop our attacks on Terror camps.
b. Worst case: We should've accepted the ceasefire ONLY if Pakis handover Hafiz to us. This would've given a visible win to us and would've created lot of turmoil in Pakistan and undermine the Paki Army image.
c. Best Case: We have severely degraded Pakis. They don't even know how to counter our AF. Now was the best time to continue and see this to the end rather than stopping here and let China/US rearm Pakis to bring parity with us. Fuck them until they can no longer hold their country together and split it with the help of Baloch, Afghans etc.

5. Yes. We'd have faced ire of US. We'd have faced sanctions. Worse we'd have gone to a Nuclear war. But isn't it worth the cause? Entire nation was ready for any eventuality. I have not seen a single person in my circle who was happy with this ceasefire.

Till when do we want to maintain this status quo. Till we become 15 trillion dollar economy? And then what? Paki nuclear arsenal will be lost by then is it? US/China will then openly support Pakis if we were to emerge as an independent power. Isn't it so?

6. Ok fine. You won. This is not the time. We need to grow our economy. We need more time to neuter Pakistan. We can't handle a 2 Front war if China comes into picture. We can do it when we are not dependent on US/Russia.

Then Fucking don't start a War now. Don't do this Tamasha of limited attacks which achieves nothing. These buggers are like cockroaches. They don't fear these limited attacks. If you kill 100, 1000 more will be radicalized as long as they have backing of Paki army.

Destroy the roots of the evil, not just trimming the branches.

Fucking peacenik, spineless civilization we are.

Sir, I would like to reply in accordance with points you made so,

1. As we all know Op. Sindoor was surely initially only to strike the terror camps, and all the nonescalatory, precise etc. thing was just to tell that our sole purpose was just to take revenge of the phalgam attack , still this op. Brought some concern and negative stand from Chinese and western media, just what harsh response we could have attracted if we would have directly hit their military installations given the soft corner west has for pakistan.
So, all these use of wordings are to tell international community that we are a responsible nation just responding to events but actually we initiated the events (as been mentioned by many respected members as hatho dant dikhane ke do aur khana ke do) .

In teality We replied all their military misadventures accordingly and were still within the domain of a responsible nation who was just protecting itself and want no escalation (despite us drone attacking there major cities and bombing there airbases) .
So wordings were for foriegeners and for us were the vedioes of there cities and airbase being bombed.

2. I think it got covered in first point itself.

3. This operation has surely impacted "the jugular vein" of the terrorists but I can not agree more with you that this will not permanently end the problem of terrorism.
But I my opinion terrorism will continue to exist till we kill whole of the population of Pakistan (this may be too extreme for some but I am sorry I believe that the public of Pakistan has 2 parts 1. Terrorists 2.terror facilitators/supporters/to be terrorists.) Or we either end radical Islam both of which appear impossible to me atleast now.

4. A. Already discussed with point 1.
B. This will not happen since Hafiz Saeed is more dear to Pakistan than shahbaz sharing.
C. We had already achieved the purpose for which we initiated the op. Sindoor and were only responding to the Pakistan's misadventures. We had got no significant loss civilian or military. So this was best time to ceasefire for us (with India-100 pakistan-0) . Without drawing negative response from west and China Both,or giving pakistan a facesaver either.

5. Yes we all were ready to face all consequences even nuclear strikes , but for what purpose .
To destroy a nation which is on it's path of destruction itself.
I also don't think we should aid in balochistan liberation because remember these TTP persons expressed there sorrow on the death of Let terrorist in our strikes, So these are all essentially ek thali ke chhate batte as we say in hindi . Once they get free from pak army there next target will be India like now bangladesh is showing it's true colors.
And remember pakistan is not our worthy enemy and we should just focus to dare against China in a war and this escalation and resulting sanctions would have made us more weak compared to china.and we would have destroyed our future and economic growth for pakistan which has absolutely zero future in long term and will dei it's own death,
As you also mentioned in your 6th point.

6. Sure , this not the time for a full fledged war but we must give such offensive response to terror attacks like pahalgam and pathankot. To put some fear in brain ( which is not existent in sleeper cells and terrorist but still using it because of my lack of words) of terrorists supremos that even they are not safe now bcz death of sleeper cells and lower commanders is of no significance to them. So giving you an analogy

Analogy:- In medicine if person is suffering from a severe emergency and we don't have resources for immediate surgery/operation we first stabilize the patient in mean time lrepare the OT room or Refer the patient. We just don't let the wound bleed without first aid because we don't have materials required to suture it

Hope it helps and sorry for the long reply but I thought this was necessary.
And sir please don't delete this post only move it to any other thread it takes some effort to type all this bcz earlier my post in DRDO psu thread was deleted which in my opinion was in accordance with ongoing discussion on j35 like fighter jet and in that I also included my thoughts on DRDO projects like kusha and ADA project like tejas mk2. But I don't know why it appeared as chit chat to someone . Again sorry if this post is not appropriate for this thread but just don't delete it just move it to relevant thread

 

[Anants]

We dont have a choice here do we?

pakis started it if we stop and cant use air strikes now this is the only way,
dont worry after few months they will ask for cease fire…

lol when did taking punches - became a choice? Make the life hell for the rich of the Pak.. and watch drone incursions go down faster than Pak Ad went to sleep

 

[TopWatcher]

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[Tumba]

lol when did taking punches - became a choice? Make the life hell for the rich of the Pak.. and watch drone incursions go down faster than Pak Ad went to sleep

What they are doing is sending is cheap camera drones to harass and we are sending those and kill drones but paki inbreds has control media even if we do halala every night which is not a big air strike they will keep quite..

Ultimately we will go to that route but for now this is the only way.

 

[spikey360]

The biggest argument against accidental nuclear explosion is lack of precedence for such incidents. We never had an accidental detonation of a nuclear bomb as of now. However, we never had an intensive bombing of nuclear arsenal of a country until India bombed Pakistanese nuclear bases. So we are in an uncharted territory now. Thus, it is imperative to revise what we think is probable as far as accidental detonation of nuclear bombs is concerned.

In any given accident, a series of random events culminate into what becomes an accident. Accidental detonation of a nuclear bomb is not an exception.

Let us say we are dealing with a nuclear bomb design which uses Gun-Type design. Look at the image below. This is a diagram of a Gun-Type design.

Notice the chemical explosive which will propel the U-235 bullet towards the U-235 critical mass (target). Now notice the tail end of the bomb. If a powerful impact is applied, such as what comes from a missile warhead, the chemical explosive in the bomb can go off. And thus, fission reaction which is nuclear explosion, will occur.

Note: I am not saying this is what happened. I am simply saying this is a theoretical possibility.

In all gun type assemblies, the charge which fires the bullet is loaded before deployment.
You have to go through Richard Rhodes, Dark Sun. Tonnes of info there, and this deserves a separate thread.

 

[ezsasa]

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slim chance that TCG Büyükada might have supplied anything to pakiland, as it was already at sea by 22nd apr, and they announced port call the same day op sindoor began.

slim chance exists, but that would entail and unnecessary and over complicated logistical exercise.

 

[spikey360]

Can we suspend new posts to this thread and discuss something like post operations analysis.

 

[Vinash]

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The delusions of Pakistani slaves in India.

They want Indian tax payer money to fund agricultural & other development project funds in Pakistan.

So then you might ask what about Pakistani money? Ofc, that would be reserved for buying facy new planes & other assorted weapons.

WTH?

This guy and his ilk should be hanged.

 

[Drwho]

Can we suspend new posts to this thread and discuss something like post operations analysis.

Why ? Do u think op sindoor is over ?
It will restart mark my words . Porkis will again do something stupid. They have habit of it.
Defence forces are ready and still actively engaged.

 

[Nicky]

By denying the drone attacks, we are normalising this just as we have normalised terrorist infiltrations.

This is dangerous and I hope leadership reconsiders. No ceasefire is worth risking a hit via these drones.

 

[haldilal]

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[jaishrikrishna]

I think missiles are going to be the most powerful conventional thing in the future.

If you can fire 10,000 precision missiles in selected targers in one hour, you can completely disseminate the war fighting ability of the adversary.

Previously, missiles were thought of as one off delivery device. Now, it will in mass and with high precision.

Missiles will go pretty up in escalation ladder. Missiles fired, means the adversary is crippled. It is going to pretty much fuck up even nuclear power as the strike capability will be gone when missiles are fired.

We need brahmos in massive massive numbers.

10k brahmos fired and pak gone, conventionally. And one costs just 34 crore. 3.4 lakh crore and Pak gone. It is pretty cost effective in terms of results it delivers.

 

[haldilal]

 

[Airborne22]

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Even if we Capture asim munir and parade him down the rajpath in his banyan ul fatta hua kacha, pakistan will still kang upon made up losses on indian side. Such is the power of Lahori Churan

 

[Cheepek]

I really don't know why people went after Vikram Misri, he's not the guy responsible, he might not even have a direct contact with Modi. If anyone's pissed about diplomats then S Jaishankar is the one they should target. Vikram Misri is like a PR man, he has to speak in friendly language, what his bosses tell him to!

 

[Anants]

What they are doing is sending is cheap camera drones to harass and we are sending those and kill drones but paki inbreds has control media even if we do halala every night which is not a big air strike they will keep quite..

Ultimately we will go to that route but for now this is the only way.

you are being incredulous if you think this is plain harassment. The plan is to harras daily so that it becomes norm, meanwhile they figure defense pattern, defence gaps and carry out supply of contra band and attacks unabated.

Drones shall much cheaper than tango for pak.

 

[Doreamon]

One report of byraktar tb2 use and its interception by akash missile . We did see some wreckage in previous pages .

Below is news report from India.com

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Besides 100s of byraktar songar they had used lots of byraktar yiha 3 kamikaze as they assemble them in their country got lots of those . It was followed by volly of rockets and few ballistic missiles (fateh ) . I wonder if they used burraq . Not any information on them so far .

 

[ashiii]

Quite a few people are curious about these seemingly mysterious earthquakes that have been occurring in Pakistan lately. So I decided to give my two cents on this topic.

First explanation: these earthquakes could just be that earthquakes.

However, some of you may not be convinced that these are indeed the earthquakes. The reason for your suspicion could be the frequency at which these earthquakes are happening. If you are not convinced that these are indeed the earthquakes, then you may be wondering what are these then?

First explanation: maybe Pakistanis are doing the nuclear tests.

Second explanation: maybe Pakistani nuclear weapons are accidentally exploding.

So let us talk about accidental explosion of fission bombs. We are going to keep our conjectures confined to fission bombs. It is because, to the best of my knowledge, Pakistan does not posses fusion bombs. I will begin with stating that, to the best of my knowledge, as of yet, we do not have any recored incident of a nuclear bomb exploding accidentally.

Having said that, I would like to mention, theoretically speaking, it is possible for a fission bomb to explode accidentally depending on the design of the bomb. In a fission bomb, one of the four types of triggers can be used. I will list them below:

1. Gun-type design
2. Implosion design
3. Neutron initiators
4. Barometric-pressure sensors

I obviously do not know which one of these triggers are being used by Pakistani fission bombs. However, I do know that, as far as accidental detonation of a bomb is concerned, theoretically speaking of course, Gun-Type Design is the candidate of our choice. Why? In this design, you have a bullet consisting of Uranium-235 which is fired at a target mass consisting of Uranium-235 (main fission material). As you guessed it, some type of explosive is used to propel the Uranium-235 bullet. If something can cause this explosive to explode then, it will trigger the fission reaction, resulting in the explosion of fission bomb. Typically, the casing of a nuclear bomb is very strong and can withstand quite a bit of stress and therefore accidental explosion is highly unlikely.

As far as the designs that may contain one of the other three types of triggers, it is quite possible that electrical circuits can malfunction and therefore accidental fission reaction (nuclear explosion) is possible. Keep in mind that, the designers place appropriate safeguards when they design nuclear bombs. So it is not quite easy for a bomb to go off accidentally.

Last but not least, a team of qualified saboteurs should be able to sabotage any bomb.

Now, I hope you have enough information to makeup your own mind on this topic.

My opinion possibly be a minority opinion but I doubt Pakis has any working nuclear war head. Having Technology, doing controlled blasts and having parts of system with help(or theft) of Iran and North korea is 1 thing , having a workable War head that can operate and hit a country is entire different.

also there is possibility USA after 9/11 and while operating in AF already take care of this, Pakistan is just bluffing - which is their national pass time.