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Even though complete surrender of PAK was not initial AIM , but we came very close to it and left it again for future. What has transpired in between PAK-US-INDIA is not clear yet. Its ample clear so far the something related to NUK is there. my point is , nothing will change with this operation and things will happen in very short time. When we know it may repeat in six months short time , why did we have taken chance this time when we were quiet sure to decimate PAK.

Wounded PAK will come with double force to hound us in near future and will be more prepared this time around to beat . Has we made strategics mistake?
 
Drwho said:
India is looking to buy more s400, shouldn’t we invest in s500 for long range and fifth gen fighter detections.

There is big diffrence in technology and also we need to work fast on Akash next gen.

A good defence is as or more important than attack. Specially against china.
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S500 is more of anti ballistic system than counter air asset battery. Even it's anti hypersonic claim if probably more for Hypersonic ballistic target than Hypersonic Cruise Missiles. We have AAD-1 and AAD-2 in similar category in works.

We are working on Project Kusha and it's testing should start around this time according to DDR so more S400 doesn't makes sense. Russia hasn't been able to deliver whatever we have ordered till now.

As for stealth detection, Air Force has already placed orders for indigenous VHF radars for stealth target detection some time back. Also, Project Kusha is being developed keeping future in mind so stealth detection might be part of it also.

Overall, procurement of S500 doesn't makes sense from any angle when you have indigenous programs underway fulfilling similar roles. It's just twitter analyst who is making as if India is buying S500.
 
Tumba said:
Yes we could have and we started doing that but
remember if we continued what could have we achieved may b few more rounds and then cease fire
and even if we destroyed more jets and military systems(we destroyed many) again what was permanently we would have gotten out of that?

Only permanency we have gotten in that scenario was still
Indus Water Treaty trashed


For now a message is delivered to pakistani inbred awaam and its inbred military no matter what propaganda they run.
If they dont learn well no matter how many borrowed systems they get from china US or turkey they will get more beating and next time may

IAF will be targeting directly military infra unlike on Bahawalpur sunrise yojna..
Where IAF avoided doing SEAD operations before striking
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The point is if you know a ceasefire is coming, then do the maximum damage in the time you have which the enemy can't easily replace such as US jets, AWACS.

For the most part, we play proportional.

You can't know for sure the next time the conflict happens, we will have such an overwhelming advantage in AD.

The Americans have seen that Porkies are no match for us, so to provide them some balance, they might gift decent AD as the Chini ones are trash.

We had a golden opportunity and many feel we didn't press our advantage.
 
Samaritan said:
Even though complete surrender of PAK was not initial AIM , but we came very close to it and left it again for future. What has transpired in between PAK-US-INDIA is not clear yet. Its ample clear so far the something related to NUK is there. my point is , nothing will change with this operation and things will happen in very short time. When we know it may repeat in six months short time , why did we have taken chance this time when we were quiet sure to decimate PAK.

Wounded PAK will come with double force to hound us in near future and will be more prepared this time around to beat . Has we made strategics mistake?
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I am not an expert but seems so we lost oppurtunity, like when we grasp mountain kailash ranges during LAC issue with china.

OR

May be our aim was to destroy nucleur facitlity & infra of pakistan.

In these it seems we need to develop guts to repulse pressure as we approaching final task when we are in advantage
 
Why didn't Pakistan use Babur which is basically an American Tomahawk during this conflict . Most open sources say that were firing only MLRS along with drones into India. When India started using the Brahmos that seemed like the next step for them ..
 
Interested said:
Why didn't Pakistan use Babur which is basically an American Tomahawk during this conflict . Most open sources say that were firing only MLRS along with drones into India. When India started using the Brahmos that seemed like the next step for them ..
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Limited inventory with doubts over how many are actually functional. They also need to save it for a broader conflict. Plus, if we were already using Brahmos they couldn't afford further escalation.

Clearly there is a significantly greater disparity between India and Porkies than anyone expected. We need to make sure we do everything that it only grows by the time next conflict come around.

Our goal should always be parity with Chini and we will be good standing.
 
Azaad said:
Those earthquakes preceded our strikes on Paxtan. Someone posted an infograph here wherein the first 4.0 Richter scale earthquake in those parts of Paxtan was recorded immediately before or after the Pahalgam terror incident unless you're making the case they were testing their nukes in anticipation of events which've just unfolded.
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Check the date on the image it is 10 may 2025 morning 2:00 am approx clearly post Pahalgam. Now most likely these are all natural. I was giving explaination to theories being discussed by some ex servicemen.

There can also be the case which I believe more likely earthquakes are natural but the nuclear storage sites were indeed hit. Possibly creating a tunnel collapse and radiation. I am categorising RUMINT

If I have to go from certainty to uncertainty

-> Kirana hills nuke storage facility was hit
-> nur khan base was an important part of nuke command and was hit
-> chagai hills site was hit
-> these hits triggered tunnel collapses
-> possible radiation leak
-> caused earthquakes

Now just because bottom ones are highly speculative top ones don’t become unverifiable.

Govt doesn’t even acknowledge the kirana strike that has video evidence of clearly happening.
 
Lord Voldemort said:
It does seem like Trump has Modi by the balls and the Pakis know it.

Modi spoke of nuclear blackmailing and Trump mentioned nuclear war, so my best guess is Pakistan gave some kind of nuclear hint to US and Trump told Modi to calm down.
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My guess , PAK gave NUK threat to Trump and Trump told Modi to Back Off , but Modi took bulls by horn and stuck the NUK Storage to show what I can do? May be and we agreed to Stop!
 
Nicky said:
Limited inventory with doubts over how many are actually functional. They also need to save it for a broader conflict. Plus, if we were already using Brahmos they couldn't afford further escalation.

Clearly there is a significantly greater disparity between India and Porkies than anyone expected. We need to make sure we do everything that it only grows by the time next conflict come around.

Our goal should always be parity with Chini and we will be good standing.
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They have been making the Babur since 2005.... can't imagine that they have such low numbers . The Pakistanis must be more scared than I imagined , lol
 
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Ajatshatru said:
As a result of Indian missile strikes on Pakistan’s nuclear base, the conventional (non-nuclear) high explosives inside the warheads have been triggered and are exploding one by one, causing these earthquakes.
Its a localized explosion and radiation leak, but not a nuclear detonation or chain reaction.
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Anybody in forum knows about following ,may explain to understand ;

1.How may warheads and likely of how much capacity were in storage in Kairana
2.What kind is possible and if they are damaged , what is possibility of full scale explosion.
3.If this is only leakage , will all of them subject to leak one by one or they may all at a time.
4.How much radioactivity is expected in air and how for how much time.
5.It is possible to control this reaction or leak by any means .
6.if this leak continuous , what could be the radius of effects
 

India and Pakistan both claim victory. But this latest conflict has no winners​


As CNN earlier reported, two planes crashed in Indian states that border Pakistan around the time Pakistan claimed to have shot down the jets, and a French intelligence source told CNN that Pakistan had downed at least one Indian Rafale.

But Indian officials are still refusing to acknowledge even a single aircraft loss.

Meanwhile, India has released new satellite images showing serious damage to air strips and radar stations at what Indian defense officials say are multiple Pakistani military bases crippled by massive Indian airstrikes.
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Pakistani officials expressed gratitude for the intervention. But Indian leaders are playing down any US role, saying the truce was worked out between India and Pakistan directly.

The reason is likely to be driven by national pride, with Indian officials loathe to admit a truce was imposed on them, or even brokered, by the United States.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/12/asia/india-pakistan-us-ceasefire-no-winners-intl-hnk
 
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