Operation Sindoor

[deathmonger]

UNDP HDI reports came in on the 6th.

India's HDI is 0.685 now. Should be 0.7 in a couple of years which is HIGH HDI. 0.7 and 3rd largest economy should come at the same time. India gained 5 ranks.

Pak is 0.544, a loss of 5 ranks.

In 25 years, Pak won't even be where India is now while India will be a lower end fist world country.

Ofc this is on a per person basis. Overall India will be a superpower.

 

[gyan]

Notice no meteor parts were found in pakistan so we do not habe them in this time so may be the formation was su30 jaugar mk2000 in front line rafale mig29 or teju maharaj at back trjas isliye according to alpha defence

 

[gyan]

Our jo paf ke jet hoge vo humari air defence system ne maare hoge na ki fightet jets ne qki distance of engagement approx 120 km rahi hogi that ye mujhe lagta hai

 

[delta]

This is what my friend confirmed ..he said M2K was shot down , Rafale was hit but landed to base safely and the frame is in perfect condition so no write off

Again , take this with bucket load of salt

if that snecma engine pic is anything to go by, that rafale is anything but in a perfect condition! however, taking this with plenty of salt as you advise.

also, in light of this SEAD/DEAD issue, i don't think we possess any great SEAD capability. while our DEAD might be decent thanks to rudram and other inventory, i guess SEAD is currently left to AWACs and ground-based electronic warfare systems (and Rafale's SPECTRA?). that should be a priority for investment too IMO

 

[vampyrbladez]

The IAF Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000 and Rafale crews’ heavy blows against PAF Air Bases that destroyed several Pakistani aircraft

The IAF Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000 and Rafale crews’ heavy blows against PAF Air Bases that destroyed several Pakistani aircraft

theaviationgeekclub.com

Tom Cooper mentioned one interesting insight in this article and other interviews as well - the IAF likely faced AC losses at the start of Op Sindoor due to no SEAD/DEAD being done. that was either a blunder by the planners, or a deliberate risk taken in order to show the world that we are only striking terror targets.

Won't comment if it was the right or wrong move, but GOI having made it clear that any terror attack going fwd will be treated as an act of war makes the RoE so much easier for the IAF to perform SEAD/DEAD first and then pummel Pak targets. that must've been music to the ears of IAF top brass!

Stupid 'Buddh ka Desh, Yudh ka Nahi' mentality.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

India should offer axxenation plan like kashmir to them

Nah, wouldn't be too practical. They're far away, without proper geographic contiguity, and are pretty distinct + clearly want freedom. What India should do is put everything behind them to become independent, help the Pashtuns of the NW Pakistani "Frontier" region merge back with Afghanistan, try and foment separatism in Sindh & the Southern "Saraiki" part of Pakistani Punjab (and help them become independent countries as well).

The portion that Pakistan calls "AJK" should be left alone except for select, key infiltration routes (eg Haji Pir Pass) & dominating features + Sharda Peeth. That portion is now super radical and has had its demography changed massively by Pak Punjabis. Find a way to merge Gilgit-Baltistan; the connectivity to AFG/Central Asia and completely breaking Pak-Chinese link up are worth their weight in gold. Would also be smart to get a proper foothold in Indian J&K and recaptured G-B with proper demographic rebalancing through West Bank style settler model.

From West Punjab take key features like Akhnoor Dagger, Shakargarh Bulge and key religious sites close to the border like Kartarpur Sahib. From Sindh take the high Hindu population % districts in the East.

Let the remainder of West Punjab + "AJK" be a rump "Pakistan" which is disarmed, denuclearized and essentially defanged + landlocked and at India's mercy permanently.

Turn all the successor states into treaty bound protectorates and keep them firmly in the Indian grip/influence. Find a way to at least de facto (if not completely) merge Nepal, Bhutan and Sri Lanka (there's not much of a reason for any of them to be separate nations, all it does is divide Dharmic peoples and give China various footholds around India).

And finally, some day sort out Bangladesh and take the Rangpur, Rajshahi and (most of) Chittagong Divisions - which have significant Hindu and Buddhist Chakma populations respectively. This would strengthen the Siliguri Corridor and also grant sea access to the Far Northeast.

This would be a "complete" India - and should've been achieved in '47 and immediate post-Independence period under competent leadership.

 

[Interested]

M2K was probably crashed rather than shot down, nothing surprising there .
IAF not denying aircraft loss so rafale might have been shot, concerning thing here is why it wasn't able to use countermeasures.
Su30mki in 2019 had blocked several a2a missiles

There was no PL15 fired in 2019. Looks like Pakistan got the full range version and not the export version which surprised the IAF

 

[pythonlover]

It is actually a really curious case. Not a single A2A Indian missile debris was posted, except a single Python-5 seeker. This could anyway be from SPYDER. Other than that neither BVR, nor WVR debris were found. OTOH there are few PL-15 debris. What explains this? Really curious. Were the debris not posted online or not used by IAF for some reason?

 

[Interested]

When the Pakis named their operation Chaddi Baniyan , there was going to be not much result from it ...

 

[Interested]

It is actually a really curious case. Not a single A2A Indian missile debris was posted, except a single Python-5 seeker. This could anyway be from SPYDER. Other than that neither BVR, nor WVR debris were found. OTOH there are few PL-15 debris. What explains this? Really curious. Were the debris not posted online or not used by IAF for some reason?

It's highly unlikely that Indians used A2A ammunition because the Pakistanis stayed far behind the reach of the S400 batteries at the border . The only time they came close to the border was on the first night because the IAF were told not to hit their jets . And they look like they unleashed a swarm of PL15 missiles , most of which missed and are all over the ground on the Indian border.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

I swear Jaipur Dialogues lost a lot of credibility in this conflict.

THE LETTER IS FAKE. Look at the source of radiation named on it.

Yall need to stop.

Dude so you think pakis will release a letter stating the truth or what. That they admit there is radiation leakage is sufficient proof.

 

[assassin162]

if that snecma engine pic is anything to go by, that rafale is anything but in a perfect condition! however, taking this with plenty of salt as you advise.

also, in light of this SEAD/DEAD issue, i don't think we possess any great SEAD capability. while our DEAD might be decent thanks to rudram and other inventory, i guess SEAD is currently left to AWACs and ground-based electronic warfare systems (and Rafale's SPECTRA?). that should be a priority for investment too IMO

What all India can do to increase its SEAD capability, what other platforms various other nations have for this?

 

[Muzh]

View: https://x.com/Tar21Operator/status/1918917009561002114

No mention of IGLA's being used in this conflict???

Igla-S is used by infantry. It is infantry's self defense weapon, in case, IACCS fails to intercept the ingress. This is the last line of defense. We did not want to take any chances, this time around. This is a very good thinking. You never want to leave anything to chance in war.

 

[silentassassin265]

UNDP HDI reports came in on the 6th.

India's HDI is 0.685 now. Should be 0.7 in a couple of years which is HIGH HDI. 0.7 and 3rd largest economy should come at the same time. India gained 5 ranks.

Pak is 0.544, a loss of 5 ranks.

In 25 years, Pak won't even be where India is now while India will be a lower end fist world country.

Ofc this is on a per person basis. Overall India will be a superpower.

Does that matter?
North Korea hdi is much lower but that doesn't mean they will have weak army, first priority of both the countries is millitary and nothing else.
Porkistan is just north korea with extra step.

 

[silentassassin265]

Igla-S is used by infantry. It is infantry's self defense weapon, in case, IACCS fails to intercept the ingress. This is the last line of defense. We did not want to take any chances, this time around. This is a very good thinking. You never want to leave anything to chance in war.

It will definitely be needed if we capture any high altitude point near skardu as there could be an air strike

 

[Muzh]

Taking out paki assets means only the loss of those assets while other surviving assets can still take off. Taking out the runway means that the entire base is rendered useless, a total softkill. Runway hits are game changers because they deny the planes the ability to take off. They essentially become paperweights or hangar queens.

Yep. We were going for decapitation of Pakistan's nuclear attack capabilities. This was the beginning of that onslaught.

 

[silentassassin265]

There was no PL15 fired in 2019. Looks like Pakistan got the full range version and not the export version which surprised the IAF

The range hardly matters, engaging target from 300km is not remotely possible no radar is that powerful.
The engagement probably happened around 50km, either the pl15 had better electronics or rafale was just unable to deploy countermeasures in time, might be due to less experience on the platform

 

[GaudaNaresh]

If one engine of a 2 engine jet falls off after getting hit , the jet has also crashed . It won't fly .

engines never fall off a jet after being hit. its the ONE part that will never fall off, unless you break the plane in half. and never has one engine fallen off a twin engine jet.

This is basic jet design 101 : why did India choose the F404 for Tejas and production got fucked due to F404 engine delay ?
Because the FIRST thing you do in jet design is pick an engine. then you design the airframe around it. and the way engine is mated to an airframe - its the ONE part that can never ever fall off. period.

 

[Muzh]

Then you hit them again while they are repairing the runway.

As easy as that.

Absolutely. When you are in the middle of a nuclear war, 4 hours is like eternity. It is very important to deny the enemy an opportunity to launch an attack so that decapitation can be finished.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

When the Pakis named their operation Chaddi Baniyan , there was going to be not much result from it ...

i thought it was operation manhoos banyan....

And at least chaddi isnt by default manhoos.