Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[trombone]

Not a great idea since GoI, in their infinite wisdom has still kept a diplomatic presence in Pak.

Nothing to say about all the assorted Indians visiting Pak right now.

diplomatic presence in a hostile country is priceless. I leave the why-so to your imagination.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Okay, I have a few follow up questions. Why was the residence blown up? Does any Indian law permit it? Was it because the terrorist was using it recently? If he was, then surely the sister knew about it? Did she pass on that info to security forces?

She has a case of plausible deniability.
Homes get destroyed regularly in UP siteing illegal construction claims. Could be any of that.

If she decides to file a case in court it might as well be entertained by judges.
The emotions are high and terrorist allegations are enough to blow up a house. In peace days this won't fly.

Now than what shoukd he the correct treatment for her under Indian law?
That's right! Nothing. We are limited by democracy.
The constant demand of shooting Kashmiri and terrorist sympathizer is the same as hoping for the pigs to fly.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

I can't believe how some of us here can be so high to think that full blown war is in India's best interest. It is not. Not in any way. Its the last resort and it has to be escalated and imposed by pakistan on us.

Some of you guys here have ascribed our slow economic growth to terrorism. It is categorically wrong. From 2000-2016 we faced regular terror attacks even in our metro cities still our country continued to grow. It was our economic policies that had put a spanner in our economic growth. It is those policies which lead to the birth of naxalism in India. It is only after liberalization it became feasible and tenable to rid mumbai of its mafia raaj.

Yes, Terrorism takes a toll. Also, we can't let the foe spill the blood of our innocent civilians. Its the duty of the state to protect them and guarantee the security of our Hindu population. Invaders shall not enjoy that protection.

So, a detterent and exemplar action must take place. If need be let us go to full war. But try to do it without full scale war. We have more to loose in a full blown war. We can achieve the same objective differently. Our objective is to solve the problem of terrorism. Its biggest inspiration is pakistan and the idea of pakistan. So, its destruction of pakistan state that is our objective. Not annihilation of green pigs alone. We need to think strategically guys. We need to leverage our strengths and impose a cost on pakistan. To this effect we need to know who will inherit that geography. That new geography should not exist in the form of pakistan. It should exist in the form of Nation State of Sindh, Nation State of Baluchistan, Nation state of punjab, Nation state of Paktunwa. There should be no pakistan state but multitude of states.

How we do that? A full blown war just annihilates the pakistan govt and not state. Pakistan military brass is happy to throw expendable green meat in the grinder. They have enough Airforce and military to inflict heavy casuality on us. By destroying lahore or islamabad we don't hurt them much. Those are usurpers they will loot from their own civilians. Our govt can't. Even destruction of Delhi will cost us a trillion dollar atleast. I am sure they can inflict that cost on us in full scale war. How much cost can we inflict on them. Also we don't even achieve our objective.

So, our only reliable and sure pathway is slow cooking of the pakistan. Let us impose economic blocade on them make them land locked. Now, there supply chains will run from Iran and Afganistan. It helps insurgents baluchs and taliban more. They can entrench themselves more in their regions. Let us seize them and starve them. We should couple it with by locking their military personnel on Indian border. The more we lock them on International border the less they can interfere with insurgents. Our objective is to empower insurgents. We should not let the conflict zone extend more than 30KM from our borders. We should slowly creep forward montly in this war.

A full scale war is more harmful to us and redundant when we can achieve the same objective in much more economical way. We have the leverage and we should put it full use. The objective is to finish the idea of pakistan. If you don't have any idea how to do it. Then please don't do your rona dona here. Full Scale war response is not the correct response.

Its just like Americans fighting in Vietnam. You are not killing the idea of vietnam. You are just favoring a form of govt. Our objective is to kill the idea of pakistan. WE can do so only when the insurgents in pakistan are powerful, just like East pakistan of 1971. India succeeded at that time because East Pakistan had it enough with west pakistan. So, we need to have sindhi's, baluch's, pastun's to have it enough with punjabi dominated pakistan. We can do it when we starve them. Thats why IWT is important. Now we will gain ability to control their water. An informal naval blocade will make them landlocked and their supply chains will run from Iran or Afganistan. It empowers the baluchs and talibanis more. Locking their personnel in a low intensity limited conflict over an extended period of time allows the insurgents to bridge the power gap between pakistan army. This is what we need to do. We need to slow cook them and splinter into pieces. We can do all it while ourselves gaining economic weight and lubricating our industrial complex. Let us choose the best option.

 

[darkflame]

Realistically what is supposed to happen to her? What if she is related? What Indian laws say about it?

You have to understand that no Indian law has provision to punish relative of terrorists.

What the state can and can't do is limited by law, if laws say you cannot touch them than you cannot touch them.

It's not like that Security forces have been given a very long leash in Indian constitution they can literally jump every fundamental rights according to article 33. They don't need to follow stuff like heabus corpus they can surely detain her as long as they want and even milords can't ask them to bring her to a court if the security forces consider her a real threat.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/NewsArenaIndia/status/1915707708386267604

 

[Suryavanshi]

article 33

Subject to limitation and review by the court.

 

[srev2004]

0.5 Front, we need to keep this front at bay as well.

 

[Mikel]

She has a case of plausible deniability.
Homes get destroyed regularly in UP siteing illegal construction claims. Could be any of that.

If she decides to file a case in court it might as well be entertained by judges.
The emotions are high and terrorist allegations are enough to blow up a house. In peace days this won't fly.

Now than what shoukd he the correct treatment for her under Indian law?
That's right! Nothing. We are limited by democracy.
The constant demand of shooting Kashmiri and terrorist sympathizer is the same as hoping for the pigs to fly.

You don't have to shoot them, just have to make their lives miserable, and I'm sure the administration know many ways to do that. But this is the same establishment that adopted a village despite sheltering OGWs.

 

[Ultraman]

been tracking this , i think we shut gates on baglihar dam - dont think canal diversion would have this much impact , cant be due to rainfall or other factor either . maybe it will stay this way for few days ,


View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1915727107646263616

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1915727189992952004

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Would it be feasible to make a Law that dismisses citizenship of Indians who get married to Pakistanis?

Any lawyer here who could give his input?

This arrangement seems like a really fine way to insert agents into india.

Sure, We can make that law. Only thing we need to do is designate Pakistan as our enemy. We can do it in babu way. Set some criterion which only the pakistan fails or some redlines which only pakistan crosses and voila its an enemy country and no people to people aman ki aasha rr. We can do it. It is not illegal. State can enact laws to protect itself.

 

[trombone]

Would it be feasible to make a Law that dismisses citizenship of Indians who get married to Pakistanis?

Any lawyer here who could give his input?

This arrangement seems like a really fine way to insert agents into india.

Maybe possible if GOI attains puberty and declares paxtan a ‘Terrorist State’.

 

[apoorv465]

View: https://x.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1915728738236432519

 

[truthsoldier]

been tracking this , i think we shut gates on baglihar dam - dont think canal diversion would have this much impact , cant be due to rainfall or other factor either . maybe it will stay this way for few days ,


View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1915727107646263616

What is average rate of flow for this month in Pakistan? Can just be natural variation only due to recent rainfall in northern India. Also I don't think India has the infrastructure to stop/divert the river flow as all the rivers above have run of the river dams which do not impede the water flow

Jammu and Kashmir floods: All schools to remain shut on April 21 amid heavy rains

Jammu and Kashmir government closes schools in the valley due to heavy rain, ensuring student safety as a precautionary measure.

www.thehindu.com

 

[shitsandgiggles]

This arrangement seems like a really fine way to insert agents into india.

it can also be used conversely so no one would like to do this. Im acquainted with people who have families on other side, these relations are old so no one wants to meddle with it.

 

[Vinash]

Realistically what is supposed to happen to her? What if she is related? What Indian laws say about it?

You have to understand that no Indian law has provision to punish relative of terrorists.

What the state can and can't do is limited by law, if laws say you cannot touch them than you cannot touch them.

If our Army follows Indian law, we will 100% become an Islamic nation by 2150.

 

[MasterChief]

A nuclear attack will kill you in an instant, without pain—but over 100,000 Kashmiri Hindus were brutally slaughtered in 1990. Yet, some people in India still believe we are not at war with Pakistan and that war isn’t an option simply because both nations have nuclear weapons. But I can’t recall the last time a Pakistani missile killed 30 people in India—unlike terrorists who have, time and again: in Kashmir, in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks that took over 300 lives, in train bombings, temple blasts, and many more such tragedies.

Not 100,000.. but a 1000 kashmiri pandits were slaughtered since 1989... It was ethnic cleansing not genocide.. as Hindus left the valley to save their lives

 

[Cheepek]

View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1915685209522979284

Give me one good reason why these rodents are not picked up and put it in a black cell?

Iske sasural ko bhi udao

 

[trombone]

Realistically what is supposed to happen to her? What if she is related? What Indian laws say about it?

You have to understand that no Indian law has provision to punish relative of terrorists.

What the state can and can't do is limited by law, if laws say you cannot touch them than you cannot touch them.

Not everything is done by the book in highly militarized zones. Else we wouldn’t see those pics of our warriors playing with heads for football.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Yes please. A lot of dumb takes here passed as expert opinion. Its very clear they have no understanding of how things work on the ground. I again request this thread to moderated strictly, no dumb posts should be allowed, any repeat offender should be banned for atleast a week. If there are no enough mods to moderate, add more. These dumb and naive posts are keeping a lot of quality posters/members away from this forum.

I think Bharat Rakshak Forum would be a better fit for your needs.

If you're willing to reach out to people already in the know, then there's no need for a public facing forum such as this. In India, with the kind of demographic we have now + the fact when exactly internet came into play, the audience will only get younger and more diverse. If that's something you can't stomach, I'm afraid things are about to become worse.

Maybe, one thing can be done is to have a locked, unaccessible, invisible invite only thread for wizened fellows such as yourself to congregate and swap intelligent debate. Maybe that would be more to speed.