Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

asl001 said:
If we don't handle jihadi horde today. Tomorrow our future generations have to deal with them. Let the hordes come here. I hope they will wake up Hindus from their slumber. And also the future generations will get Clarity about reality.
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Either hindus would perish or they would wake up
 
MasterChief said:
Don't spam.. How will any country donate anything to Pakistan during a war ? Through water ? Through China Pok border ? We have both covered.. Pakistan will never be able to outlast India in an attrition war..
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Clearly you are not even reading properly. Who says that they will outlast us? The point is they can do enough to deplete us from our strength to take on China.

A full blown war favors that objective. Ofcourse we will win. The point is the cost. We will win over fauji foundation but we will deplete a lot of our strength and be vulnerable to china. Don't say china will not be actively hostile. It will. Remember Doklam and Galwan. They were unilateral actions by China. Don't parade article 370 as the reason. These are lip services. The real reason is they wanted us to cuck. We didn't.

Now, coming to pakistan. It is fucked. I am not saying we should not punish it. I am saying is we need to bleat it out. We need to not fight fauji foundation. We need to kill the idea of pakistan itself. The idea of pakistan dies when it splits again. Only than we can move ahead.
There is no strategic gain we gain by pummeling the Pakistan Army. We split it once in past, we need to split it again. The fissures not strong enough at the moment.
So instead of full blown war we need to have a restrained engagement with pakistani military at our own strength and time period.


Is this hard to understand??? If we have the opportunity to finish the idea of pakistan shall not we do it? Even Kangludesh itself want to reinvent itself as Pakistan. Once the true pakistan dies and is replaced by the other smaller and weaker polities we truly kill the pakistan idea. Only than can we move on to next bigger battle. Currently every terrorist act is attributed to Pakistan Army. They are blamed for radicalism. Their is noone to blame the jihadi mindset. So, once the idea of pakistan is dead their will be no more shields behind which jihadis can hide. Only than we can truly fight against Jihad. Only than the veil of secularism will be penetrated.
 
asl001 said:
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At least they are taking some stance. A welcome step. I don't mind liberals if they are not hypocrites. I was once a libby too.
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This harks back to the very roots of this misunderstanding , Aman ka Tamasha BS which is the idea of Paxtan & India aka the 2 nation theory.

Our side of these cows consists of HINOs who're neither religious nor have any sense of solidarity with their own & given the latter there's no pressure to be religious from familial or larger societal groups or conform to larger societal norms , the tendency to be liberal or de racinated (depending on your PoV) automatically fills in the void which in turn runs in complete contrast to the cows on the other side who're the very opposite of our lot .

The "liberalism" of the cows on the other side of the border is also very limited given their background both social & religious constrained as it is by both as well as informed by both among other factors. Not so in the case of our lot of cows.

Ironically its not as if our lot of cows don't recognise this mutual incompatibility - a few of them do , not the likes of Jyoti Malhotra though , that female is a complete air head , but they choose to bury their misgivings in order to conform , from a sense of genuine hope for a change , for pecuniary benefits , out of loyalty to some ideology , a faulty sense of universalism , some or all of the above.
 
Ajayant Tripathi said:
Clearly you are not even reading properly. Who says that they will outlast us? The point is they can do enough to deplete us from our strength to take on China.

A full blown war favors that objective. Ofcourse we will win. The point is the cost. We will win over fauji foundation but we will deplete a lot of our strength and be vulnerable to china. Don't say china will not be actively hostile. It will. Remember Doklam and Galwan. They were unilateral actions by China. Don't parade article 370 as the reason. These are lip services. The real reason is they wanted us to cuck. We didn't.

Now, coming to pakistan. It is fucked. I am not saying we should not punish it. I am saying is we need to bleat it out. We need to not fight fauji foundation. We need to kill the idea of pakistan itself. The idea of pakistan dies when it splits again. Only than we can move ahead.
There is no strategic gain we gain by pummeling the Pakistan Army. We split it once in past, we need to split it again. The fissures not strong enough at the moment.
So instead of full blown war we need to have a restrained engagement with pakistani military at our own strength and time period.


Is this hard to understand??? If we have the opportunity to finish the idea of pakistan shall not we do it? Even Kangludesh itself want to reinvent itself as Pakistan. Once the true pakistan dies and is replaced by the other smaller and weaker polities we truly kill the pakistan idea. Only than can we move on to next bigger battle. Currently every terrorist act is attributed to Pakistan Army. They are blamed for radicalism. Their is noone to blame the jihadi mindset. So, once the idea of pakistan is dead their will be no more shields behind which jihadis can hide. Only than we can truly fight against Jihad. Only than the veil of secularism will be penetrated.
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I completely with your point about idea of Pakistan
We need to liberate balochistan and it would be even better if some other parties help us.
That way we would have a new nation that's under our influence and favor right in Pakistan's backyard
 
Adibot said:
I completely with your point about idea of Pakistan
We need to liberate balochistan and it would be even better if some other parties help us.
That way we would have a new nation that's under our influence and favor right in Pakistan's backyard
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You are very correct, new nations may certainly be more friendlier to us even if grudingly. They will not have that strength to challenge. It is the only real solution, Periodic wars are not.

Thats what i have been arguing all along. this should be our target and objective not some week long or month long high octane hollywood megablockbuster spectacle. We need a classic periodical.

Now pakistan itself has given us the opportunity. We have the luxury to choose. They started it so we can choose how to respond. They are weaker than us so we can choose how much force to apply, We will always top out them in force. So, let us start with an appropriate response and see how much they want to escalate.
 
shade2 said:
"desi product fetishers" don't take the decision of sitting on files, just because gold-plated imported maal is too """"expensive""""
It is the dhotis and baboons.

It's not like they love domestic production or anything, it's just that it's cheaper, for a """""poor nation"""""" that only spends 2% of GDP on defense and tries to cut down further by bringing in schemes like Agniveer.

Defence procurement, planning, budgeting as a long-term strategy is an after thought in this country, dhotis and baboons do only the bare minimum in terms of import of gold-plated wunder-waffe, and Import Marshall & Generol do the bare minimum in terms of inducting domestic gear.

If Piglets had our economy, and we had theirs, you could imagine what they would be doing to us today
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Like they say, a hoe in hand is better than 10 AI enhanced hoes stuck in procurement red tape and built in restrictive numbers.
 
If Indian retaliation does not come soon enough; then Indian rage will become despair. The environment like Mumbai attack will prevail and Pakistan will enjoy it as victory with no retaliation.

Don’t let that happen. If that happens under pressure of IAF or the Army that they are not prepared then fire these medal carrying chiefs only good for show off. They are supposed to be prepared. Yes, I know they will blame Defence Ministry bureaucrats or DRDO for not delivering on time. All blame’s are secondary to lack of preparation. Pakistan laughed at us after Mumbai attack as no retaliation came. They are laughing at us of talking only not retaliating after Pahalgam attack.

If retaliation is on hold because powers like UK and U.S. are advising against it, then ignore them. It is India’s lives lost not theirs. If it was them the victim then B-52 would be in the air by now to decimate Pakistan.
 
Hari Sud said:
If Indian retaliation does not come soon enough; then Indian rage will become despair. The environment like Mumbai attack will prevail and Pakistan will enjoy it as victory with no retaliation.

Don’t let that happen. If that happens under pressure of IAF or the Army that they are not prepared then fire these medal carrying chiefs only good for show off. They are supposed to be prepared. Yes, I know they will blame Defence Ministry bureaucrats or DRDO for not delivering on time. All blame’s are secondary to lack of preparation. Pakistan laughed at us after Mumbai attack as no retaliation came. They are laughing at us of talking only not retaliating after Pahalgam attack.

If retaliation is on hold because powers like UK and U.S. are advising against it, then ignore them. It is India’s lives lost not theirs. If it was them the victim then B-52 would be in the air by now to decimate Pakistan.
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One of the sensible voices here in this forum. There has to be a retaliation, before the start of May
 
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