Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Please don't use adjectives like 'stupid'. Using any form of abuse even if very mild in nature means that you don't have convincing logical arguments.

First the Chinese have the MBRL systems like the PHL- 16 and the PCL- 191 which have ranges from 350 to 500 kms.
If the PLA has seen sense in developing these very long range MBRL systems, you cannot call the professionals in the PLA stupid for their efforts.

You personally may not agree with the idea. Fine, but don't use words like stupid to artificially inflate your IQ level.

If you want an American type response 'I care a damn about your arguments'.

The idea per se is technically feasible.

The flowery statement that 'you can't just bomb the headquarters of a nuclear state' shows that you are chicken hearted. Okay, I respect your opinion but please don't deride the opinion of others.

For God's sake - You cannot win the war by by bombing the Rawalpindi GHQ of the Pakistan Army. Its more about delivering psychological blows to the enemy and degrade his morale.

If we want to end this diplomatically we can say
'we agree to disagree'
Or if you prefer an exchange of abuses, so be it.

Its not a far fetched idea to bomb their headquarter actually. Every time they do some misadeventure we should respond by some heavy artillery and gradually ramp up the radius of our hammering. If we had responded in this manner to other attacks on our forces by openning up our long range artillery i am sure they would have caught the pattern and in a phalgam like attack we could have easily fired at their hq and reminded them they are in our reach.

But unfortunately our focus is mainly in doing only some encounters. There should be a clear response to the porkis that day by day we are increasing the baseline retaliation. Now, we are stuck with thinking what should be the appropirate response. Had we made it clear that anything in 200KM from Border will be in our reach and we will pummel them should have taught them a few things.

 

[Nutcracker]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1916398811544437065

most military "analysts" estimate pakistan does not have enough gas to fight beyond 2-3 weeks.

That's why porky army has its tentacles deep down in fuel smuggling business at Iran-Pork border. How will we stop that. 5-6M L black market fuel is nealy 30% to their white import of crude.

Official: Iran smuggles ‘5 to 6 million liters’ of oil into Pakistan daily

Pakistan's military rejects long-standing allegations that it is also playing a role in illegal trade

www.voanews.com

 

[fire starter]

From last four days, over a dozen


View: https://x.com/AmarDee38360796/status/1917129292087235020?s=19.

 

[jaishrikrishna]

Agreed. But I feels like GoI wants to make that distinction so attack can be against terrorists, not PA

Makes no sense to target just terrorists in cross-border. You cannot kill every terrorist if Pak army is bent on training and pushing them.

Modi's statement was clear: "India will identify, track and punish every terrorist, their handlers and their backers."

It will not be strikes on terror camps. And you don't need to mobilize to strike the camps. Handlers and backers are none other than Pak military.

 

[Captscooby]

I just see these regular new from different journalist as portrayal of Porki pigs as aggressor .. we are slowly building up our case i feel before we tell the world we had enough now we are going ahead with trashing the bully ...

Can we provoke for a change?!?! Maybe "violate" the "sanctity" of the LOC or IB for some fun.

 

[Patriots]

Pakistani sm users are claiming of air activities of iaf over j&k

 

[JConline]

I usually don't like to use invectives. But I guess you cannot survive without swearing.
So,
Bloody hell, you jackass.
Have you even verified if the Pralay launcher has 6 launch tubes.
Give an official source for your assertion.
You stupid man, it has only a twin launcher configuration.

Are you an international authority on MBRL systems and should everyone follow your super wise diktats on strategies for MBRL use.
Don't try to impose your line of thinking on others.

You don't want the Pakistan GHQ to be bombed. Fine.
Be happy in your beliefs.

Do the Pakistanis play by the rules.
They killed an 83 year old grandmother in Pahalgam I believe.
If you want to dispute provide a good source.

I have no desire to debate further with a ego maniac.
If you desire to prolong the exchange with more abuses, I will respond in kind.

If you care to listen, don't reply to this message.

Okay, my bad, it's not the Pralay that has 6 launch tubes, the Prahaar launcher has 6 launch tubes, which is also a tactical ballistic missile like the Pralay. I concede that.
However, doesn't change the fact that MBRLs and MLRSs are two separate things. I don't need to be an international authority on MBRL to know that. I, like anyone else, can Google the difference between the two and why the PHL 16 is not an MBRL but an MLRS. You resorted to name-calling but still couldn't correct your factual error in your blinding stupidity. Facts are facts, buddy. I don't need to impose them on you.
And these "Do the Pakistanis play by the rules?" arguments further reinforce my point that your idea for the method of retaliation comes from a jingoistic revenge charge rather than analysis. You call me an egomaniac, but your rant seems to turn the mirror on you here. And what's with your ifs and buts? I called your idea stupid and gave ample explanation for the same. I assumed my counterpart in this conversation would be an adult who can handle criticism, but I stand corrected. Respond to it in whatever "kind" you wish, Sir. I care to listen, therefore I reply. Because honestly, such misinformed jingoism shouldn't be dignified with a response.

 

[Patriots]

Pakistani sm users are claiming of air activities of iaf over j&k

View: https://x.com/intelFromBrian/status/1916963405119820166

 

[shade2]

Agreed. But I feels like GoI wants to make that distinction so attack can be against terrorists, not PA

Which will be only a theatrical retaliation.
Ofc Swift Retreats will follow but there won't be more escalation into war which will impact preshus ekanami

 

[Samaritan]

You are so right that each passing day shows imminent invasion of POK.

It will be permanently reclaimed from Pakistan. They should not have started it and now it is outside their power to stop India from taking over.

They will try and repeat 1965 Chaamb- Jaurian sector to cut off Kashmir road. Unfortunately for them they will loose Sialkote and Lahore.
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In my opinion it will take time for full scale war. It's not joke to invade the country just like that.Remember the 1971 war , it was commies almost 8 months after receiving go ahead from ministry. War needs proper planning of resources and escalation matrix. Permutations and combinations of strategy ect.

The current situation is not for full scale war, enemy is prepared and alert mode. unless we were preparing on above since Pulwama and now ready for this , it won't happen so soon.

PAK also knows , we intent to take the POK and GB , so they might have fortified it by now.

your thoughts!

 

[Captscooby]

When facing assault rifles though, even 2 serving men couldn't do anything probably also because they were with family .

There were three one from IAF one from IN and one from IB , If you seen the videos the IN officer got killed when he was sitting on a chair and having some food and someone came from behind and just popped a bullet in his head saying yeh toh ...... nahi hoga .. so there was no chance for him to fight .. IB guy told his wife and children and run on opposite direction and he went other side were Jihadis were may be trying to buy some time for his family members . When family is around you are more like one hand tied story your mind would like to no provoke a situation where it threatens your family members life . but then yes 100s of tourist if some gathered as group and shown some resistance might have caught one tango alive .

 

[username unkown]

That's why porky army has its tentacles deep down in fuel smuggling business at Iran-Pork border. How will we stop that. 5-6M L black market fuel is nealy 30% to their white import of crude.

Official: Iran smuggles ‘5 to 6 million liters’ of oil into Pakistan daily

Pakistan's military rejects long-standing allegations that it is also playing a role in illegal trade

www.voanews.com

This smuggled fuel might be useful for them for thier armour platform and logistics but what about fuel for aircraft , drone and helicopter in them completely different fuel is used of different grade pakistani doesn't have that industrial complex to make jet fuel if I am right

And even if they rely on smuggled fuel in war time won't we strike on thier fuel depot
Or even if thease porks have stored 2-3 years of oil in case of naval blockade we can just bomb thier fuel storage

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/major_pawan/status/1917111804519714983

 

[helin]

This smuggled fuel might be useful for them for thier armour platform and logistics but what about fuel for aircraft , drone and helicopter in them completely different fuel is used of different grade pakistani doesn't have that industrial complex to make jet fuel if I am right

And even if they rely on smuggled fuel in war time won't we strike on thier fuel depot
Or even if thease porks have stored 2-3 years of oil in case of naval blockade we can just bomb thier fuel storage

About Us - Pakistan Refinery Limited

Pakistan Refinery Limited (PRL) was incorporated in Pakistan as a Public Limited Company in May 1960 and is quoted on the Pakistan Stock Exchange. The Refinery is situated on the coastal belt of Karachi, Pakistan

www.prl.com.pk

Pakistan has the capacity to produce aviation fuel

 

[Nutcracker]

i do not see anything thar would stop this being done??

A notorious Thar at 80kpmh would atually stop this being done .

 

[username unkown]

About Us - Pakistan Refinery Limited

Pakistan Refinery Limited (PRL) was incorporated in Pakistan as a Public Limited Company in May 1960 and is quoted on the Pakistan Stock Exchange. The Refinery is situated on the coastal belt of Karachi, Pakistan

www.prl.com.pk

Pakistan has the capacity to produce aviation fuel

Which is in karachi wouldn't karachi and gwadar be first target in naval blockade

 

[shade2]

There is a lot of news coming from Pakistan about the mobilisation of troops, but on the Indian side, there is complete silence.

Bohot interest hy aapko paijaan Endia de troop movemants vich?

 

[mcpo117]

View: https://x.com/intelFromBrian/status/1916963405119820166

Indian civilian planes are still up in the air there.

 

[Tridev123]

Its not a far fetched idea to bomb their headquarter actually. Every time they do some misadeventure we should respond by some heavy artillery and gradually ramp up the radius of our hammering. If we had responded in this manner to other attacks on our forces by openning up our long range artillery i am sure they would have caught the pattern and in a phalgam like attack we could have easily fired at their hq and reminded them they are in our reach.

But unfortunately our focus is mainly in doing only some encounters. There should be a clear response to the porkis that day by day we are increasing the baseline retaliation. Now, we are stuck with thinking what should be the appropirate response. Had we made it clear that anything in 200KM from Border will be in our reach and we will pummel them should have taught them a few things.

I believe salami slicing of POK as response to major terrorist attacks will work.
Say, Pakistan loses a few square kilometers or a few hundred square kilometers after every major terrorist attack in India.
May just work as a very credible deterrent.

As regards bombing the Pakistan GHQ, yes, the option cannot be ruled out.
Geography has made Pakistan very vulnerable. They don't have real strategic depth.

Even in this present phase of hostility if Pakistan strikes an important Indian military target then we need to remind the Pakistan Army of their vulnerability.
Even their GHQ is not safe. We don't need to even risk our fighter aircraft. An MBRL strike on Rawalpindi from bases inside Indian territory can flatten their Command Centre.

I was only listing out the options available to us in responding to Pak provocation.

Yes, counter insurgency/terrorism operations inside Indian territory cannot be the only answer to terrorist attacks. The across the border planners & brains behind the terrorists need to be punished.

 

[srev2004]

Can Indian fighter jets use the radar blind spots of commercial airliners to enter Pak airspace?