Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

Do you think a Military response going to happen?.

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GaudaNaresh said:
not even close. Indian military is an import military. With production issues for even licensed parts.
India is a 3rd tier power as of now and thats not a diss - there is only 1 first tier power and thats USA and 2 2nd tier powers-thats Russia and China.

And then there is the third tier, sole occupant: India. Fourth tier is UK-France-Germany-Japan-Israel, with Turkey-Pakis etc being the 5th tier amongst others.

Everyone else's war capacity is subject to external factors for logistics, supplies and munitions.
Remember, we dont make Rafale. We dont make meteor. So however many meteor we have, unless its literally 1 million of them for 36 birds, we are not in same position as China or Russia or USA.

We may be the best of the rest, but unless you are not a full system indegenous military, you are not in the same league as the indegenous producers.
We may become a 50Trillion economy and if we keep importing, we are still no different than the Gupta Empire buying tens of thousands of horses every year thinking thats sufficient- until the Hunnic horde showed up with 100K horse lead attack every single year.

This is the difference between an import military and an indegenous military.
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Yup, indigenous capacity means that the same defense budget can be used to make 4X what you purchase.
 
Azaad said:
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Pahalgam clue points skyward: After Huawei, China’s BeiDou GPS comes under scanner. Here's what we know - Pahalgam clue points skyward: After Huawei, China’s BeiDou GPS comes under scanner. Here's what we know BusinessToday

What sets BeiDou apart is its ability to function completely independent of host infrastructure. These systems enable real-time, high-accuracy navigation in remote terrains where mobile signals are weak or nonexistent.
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Goes without saying , if we crack this encryption , we'd be preventing a lot of such incidents & sending pigs to meet their 72 year old houri without much harm done.

The only issue is this isn't easy & the countries which've likely cracked this if at all won't be sharing such information with you.
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This is adjacent to my field ( digital security) so i will say this - Beidou uses two types of encryption method- EDCSA and AES256
We have a super-computer that can crack EDCSA especially if smart-tracking is used for live edcsa usage ( meaning you are live tracking the encrypted signal as in you can tell terrorist activated cell phone right now to type message but you dunno what it is).
But i am afraid until we have quantum computing, we cannot crack any 256 bit encryption by brute force. So there's that.

However, there is another approach - signal spoofing, which is devastatingly effective against any GPS type satellite. Beidou is a high orbit GPS satellite. Meaning its much, much harder than US GPS to satellite spoof ( which is directly send signal to satellite as interference to fuck with it).

But the compromise of a high orbit satellite, is a weaker signal to ground ( more atmospheric interference), as ALL satellites, still technically orbit within the atmosphere ( even the highest transmission satellites orbit in the exosphere, which is atmosphere technically- so everything between itself and earth is signal inteference zone atmosphere)- only scientifically specialized x-band satellites and shit orbit higher.
So when you have a weak signal, spoofing signal is far easier - you can intercept basic gps signal (which is his location data, not the encrypted message jihadi is sending high command) and spoof the gps signal itself to lose communication with satellite/produce incorrect gps data, etc etc.
But for this, you need to be tracking the jihadi and the signal itself, its not a 'we point this magic device at space and fuck with satcom that jihadi is using 100s of km away/we crack the edcsa or 256 bit encryption code itself of the satcom system and listen in like NSA on every communciation' scenario.
 
KumaoniReborn said:
Likely because they aren’t engaged in a. nuclear conflict.
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India and China aspire to match the United States militarily. Israel, being a small country and economy, does not share this ambition. However, it possesses strong political will and is determined to punish its enemies, both within and beyond its borders. India, despite having the world’s fourth-strongest military, lacks that same political resolve.
 
Ajatshatru said:
India and China aspire to match the United States militarily. Israel, being a small country and economy, does not share this ambition. However, it possesses strong political will and is determined to punish its enemies, both within and beyond its borders. India, despite having the world’s fourth-strongest military, lacks that same political resolve.
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Let’s conveniently ignore US and China were basically in bed with Pakistan till 2011 (China still is, however), whereas in the 90s, Indias biggest beneficiary collapsed
 
Any military retaliation is purely symbolic, Russia would retaliate, but we wouldn't escalate further, so it's better to take our time.
 
deathmonger said:
Yup, indigenous capacity means that the same defense budget can be used to make 4X what you purchase.
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Indians have a very german mentality towards weaponry - something that sped up the demise of the Nazis - we are forever searching for a wunderwaffen that is gonna get like 30:1 kpd against the enemy and we can spend the least manpower for biggest wins ever.
This plan worked for germany to negate allied production superiority in early stages of ww2 but once Germany lost its airforce in Stalingrad and started its production being bombed the allies, the high end shit shouldve gone outta the window and they should've adopted the Russian principle of 'quantity is a quality of its own'

Its high time we learnt that lesson and so what if our MRCA is gonna be a dehati underpowered stealth jet with the worst stealthing of all 5th gen - build it, build a shit ton of it, like 500+ of it, induct it cheap cheap and work like China to get your numbers up, RIGHT NOW.
And then get to quality angle later.

Whats the worst thing is, our babus dont realize a SIMPLE axiom of industrial engineering : you CANNOT beat experience with degrees and genius and knowhow. Not possible in engineering : You cannot assemble the 300 best and brightest mechanical engineers in the world and ask them to build a more efficient engine than Honda.
Why ? Coz real life isnt books, you make shit, it doesnt work for some reason you never knew existed, you find it, you fix it, you repeat process for decades and you get newer generations.
Sure, with modern tech you can shorten the process somewhat- India doesnt need to wait 70 years for Caveri to work coz Rolls Royce had to wait 70 years for their 90Kn engine, but you cant expect version x of anything you dont have a history in making, to match the same version x of a company that's been making this stuff for decades.

Our babus want LCA to be F16 else we must buy F16. Which is impossible.
 
Ajatshatru said:
India and China aspire to match the United States militarily. Israel, being a small country and economy, does not share this ambition. However, it possesses strong political will and is determined to punish its enemies, both within and beyond its borders. India, despite having the world’s fourth-strongest military, lacks that same political resolve.
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Israel sees itself as a nation under seige, fighting off concentration camps of jihadis.
We dont see ourselves in such a 'next war we lose is the last war we fight' mentality.
remember, we have lost a war ( to China) and nothing big happened in our own lives.

Large mega-states have this flaw- they never see their existential threat coming before them, true for Roman Empire, true for Magadh, true for Gupta, true for Han,Tang,abbasid, also true for soviet and will be true for americans - because they ALL suffer from the 'too big to fail' mentality.

Small countries are FAR more responsive to existential threats, even the ones that havent fully taken shape yet, because they dont suffer the delusion of 'too big to fail'.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
Indians have a very german mentality towards weaponry - something that sped up the demise of the Nazis - we are forever searching for a wunderwaffen that is gonna get like 30:1 kpd against the enemy and we can spend the least manpower for biggest wins ever.
This plan worked for germany to negate allied production superiority in early stages of ww2 but once Germany lost its airforce in Stalingrad and started its production being bombed the allies, the high end shit shouldve gone outta the window and they should've adopted the Russian principle of 'quantity is a quality of its own'

Its high time we learnt that lesson and so what if our MRCA is gonna be a dehati underpowered stealth jet with the worst stealthing of all 5th gen - build it, build a shit ton of it, like 500+ of it, induct it cheap cheap and work like China to get your numbers up, RIGHT NOW.
And then get to quality angle later.

Whats the worst thing is, our babus dont realize a SIMPLE axiom of industrial engineering : you CANNOT beat experience with degrees and genius and knowhow. Not possible in engineering : You cannot assemble the 300 best and brightest mechanical engineers in the world and ask them to build a more efficient engine than Honda.
Why ? Coz real life isnt books, you make shit, it doesnt work for some reason you never knew existed, you find it, you fix it, you repeat process for decades and you get newer generations.
Sure, with modern tech you can shorten the process somewhat- India doesnt need to wait 70 years for Caveri to work coz Rolls Royce had to wait 70 years for their 90Kn engine, but you cant expect version x of anything you dont have a history in making, to match the same version x of a company that's been making this stuff for decades.

Our babus want LCA to be F16 else we must buy F16. Which is impossible.
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Exactly. Even Chinese jets were not as good as Western ones (and maybe they aren't now but they will be in the future).

Even if AMCA is no J-20/F-35, 200 of them will kill the Pakistani's 10 or 20.

Same with Tejas Mk2. 200 Tejas will kill their 20 J-10s.
 
deathmonger said:
Exactly. Even Chinese jets were not as good as Western ones (and maybe they aren't now but they will be in the future).

Even if AMCA is no J-20/F-35, 200 of them will kill the Pakistani's 10 or 20.

Same with Tejas Mk2. 200 Tejas will kill their 20 J-10s.
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This. A 1000 times.

The problem is that generations of OROP general and rayban air chiefs have grown up on import bahadur mentality so much so that they jizz their pants when they see a shiny brochure from the OEM TM promising shiny toys and a wink-wink visa for their sons or daughters to work as an analyst in Morgan Stanley's risk team in Manhattan or Canary Wharf.

Quantity has it own quality and you'll never be able to compete with the Hans north our our mountains hoping for a silver bullet approach. We need those 83+97 Mk 1a and the 200 Mk 2 as of yesterday each armed with Astra Mk2 and at least a dozen AWACS + A2A refeullers.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
Israel sees itself as a nation under seige, fighting off concentration camps of jihadis.
We dont see ourselves in such a 'next war we lose is the last war we fight' mentality.
remember, we have lost a war ( to China) and nothing big happened in our own lives.

Large mega-states have this flaw- they never see their existential threat coming before them, true for Roman Empire, true for Magadh, true for Gupta, true for Han,Tang,abbasid, also true for soviet and will be true for americans - because they ALL suffer from the 'too big to fail' mentality.

Small countries are FAR more responsive to existential threats, even the ones that havent fully taken shape yet, because they dont suffer the delusion of 'too big to fail'.
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True, Neither India, China, nor the United States possesses the kind of political resolve that Israel demonstrates. Despite having a much smaller military, economy, and defense budget, Israel remains highly determined.

India’s military focus is on matching the capabilities of the U.S. and China by acquiring aircraft carriers, destroyers, fighter jets, nuclear submarines, long-range ballistic missiles, and other strategic weapons.

India lacks a dedicated tactical intelligence agency capable of eliminating its enemies in Pakistan. Indian military has primarily been structured for full-scale conventional warfare aimed at invading Pakistan.
 
Indian Army is the world’s largest standing army, with around 50% of the defense budget allocated to equipping it.

the second-largest operator of military vehicles globally, with approximately 150,000 vehicles currently in service and more being procured.

Even the acquisition of rifles for such a vast force costs billions of dollars.
 

View: https://twitter.com/Mariamistan/status/1917682550715343351?s=19

A man raised by a sanctioned terrorist runs Pakistan.


The current DG ISPR (Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry) is the son of Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood- an extremist nuclear scientist who would meet with Osama bin Laden, supported the Taliban, and was sanctioned by the UN, UK, Australia- countless other countries and even Pakistan itself for ties to Al-Qaeda. He once proposed using djinns to power Pakistan’s nuclear program.


Now his son oversees Pakistan’s military propaganda.


This isn’t just nepotism- it’s dangerous. A regime run by men raised on jihadist ideology is a threat to the world, not a defense of it. This is why we stand with India! @narendramodi 🇮🇳 #SanctionPakistan
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KiloLimaZulu said:
An all-out war is impossible to win now (not that I support it). If it were ever going to happen, it should have happened the very next day
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Very true. Atleast the guns should have started blazing on day 1. There is zero element of surprise now.
 
Ajatshatru said:
Indian Army is the world’s largest standing army, with around 50% of the defense budget allocated to equipping it.

the second-largest operator of military vehicles globally, with approximately 150,000 vehicles currently in service and more being procured.

Even the acquisition of rifles for such a vast force costs billions of dollars.
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And look how Vishwa Guru is operating it like a showpiece to be hanged on wall and never used.
I reiterate, people coming from humble backgrounds do not have what it takes to declare wars. It's a psychological complex.
 
Ajatshatru said:
Indian military has primarily been structured for full-scale conventional warfare aimed at invading Pakistan.
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And now that the opportunity has come, coward PM (just like his predecessor) has failed to even start firing.
Complete 180 degree from rhetoric. Anyone with an iota of self respect would teach Pakistan a kinetic lesson.
 
Ajatshatru said:
India’s military focus is on matching the capabilities of the U.S. and China by acquiring aircraft carriers, destroyers, fighter jets, nuclear submarines, long-range ballistic missiles, and other strategic weapons.
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Indian military primary focus for the last 30 years has been counter insurgency.. Most top generals come from counter insurgency background.. Pakistan has successfully diverted Indian attention from conventional warfare..
 
No election and no reply to paxitan.

Now we have new narrative We are damaging without war.
May be bjp can remain to be politics without being in power. We can question them ..
Now who is Pappu ?
 
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