Russian Ukrainian War

[Blademaster]

This is normal. When a war is fought under a stop watch. Grabbing territory for the sake of bargaining is the norm.

And Putin will even deny that option. Russia is on the verge of retaking the Kursk area back.

 

[Akim]

Everyone here is so naive.

 

[WW2historian]

This is normal. When a war is fought under a stop watch. Grabbing territory for the sake of bargaining is the norm.

Putin does not have a stop watch. If you can show me a similar example of this from history I would appreciate it, because I can't find any such example where one side is on a path to total victory and the other side grabs a little land that is a death trap cauldron surrounded on three sides. Putin loves that fact that he has a death pit where Zelensky keeps sending his top troops to die in.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Volodymyr Zelensky erupted furiously at a senior member of Donald Trump's administration and left him trembling with fear, it was claimed today, as the US and Ukraine inch closer to a deal to end the Ukraine war.

Earlier this month, Trump dispatched his newly minted Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to Kyiv to present the Ukrainian leader with a deal exchanging some of Ukraine's vast mineral wealth for security guarantees against future Russian attacks.

But upon reviewing the contract in detail, Zelensky and his aides discovered that there were no real security guarantees to be found.

Instead, the contract was reportedly more exploitative than the conditions imposed on Germany after World War I, expecting Ukraine to relinquish huge quantities of oil, gas and mineral resources as a payment for US aid already provided.

Recalling the president's fury, Ukrainian lawmakers claimed Zelensky's bellows reverberated through the halls of Kyiv's presidential palace as he laid into Bessent for expecting him to 'sell his country' to Washington.

'He was very angry,' a person present told the Financial Times, explaining how the gilded doors of Zelensky's presidential office did nothing to stop those outside from hearing every word of the verbal beatdown.

Bessent was visibly shaken, his voice trembling as he delivered a stumbling statement to reporters moments after enduring the wrath of the Ukrainian President.

It comes as Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov today declared Moscow would 'stop hostilities only when negotiations produce a firm and sustainable result that suits the Russian Federation'.

Meanwhile, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov accused Europe and the UK of prolonging the fighting in response to a fresh package of sanctions levelled by Brussels.

A dozen leaders from Europe and Canada are in Ukraine's capital to mark the third anniversary of Russia's invasion today, including European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Donald Trump, today meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron in Washington, is notably absent.

Daily Mail

 

[craigs]

War coming to end and military lessons from it.

This war is coming to an end in Ukraine……there are two big lessons emerge:

1. UAV emerged as a big factor in the battlefield

2. Naval armed devices managed to bottle up Russian fleet in the Black Sea.

For the first, a lot has already been said in the media that how successful UAV, flying bombs etc. were.

For the second point, where the Russian major ships were sent to the bottom of the sea with unsophisticated radio controlled boats or under surface devices and not torpedos or missiles were used by Ukraine to sink large naval vessels of 10,000 ton dead weight. After three or four losses, the Russian fleet retreated to safety of their naval base. It was a great Ukrainian achievement.

I would like knowledgeable people to comment of successful Ukrainian naval successes.

One more point which you forgot or ignored completely - though tangential to the conflict in Ukraine the conflict also showed that a rag-tag group of people with spunk can easily bottle up the combined naval force of the US, UK and France in the Arabian Sea.

 

[karn]

And Putin will even deny that option. Russia is on the verge of retaking the Kursk area back.

You are correct . There is no way that russia would leave that piece of kursk as a bargaining chip before negotiations. It is what the ukrainians believe .. if they hold onto kursk they can say sem to sem.

 

[Blademaster]

You are correct . There is no way that russia would leave that piece of kursk as a bargaining chip before negotiations. It is what the ukrainians believe .. if they hold onto kursk they can say sem to sem.

Ukraine only held an area that is about 30 miles long by 20 miles wide. That is like a large city area or a county size area. Now it is half of that about 305 square miles by last admission which was back in November 2024.

Ukraine loses more than 40% of territory it seized in Russia's Kursk region

Ukraine lost more than 40% of the territory in Russia's Kursk region that it captured in a surprise offensive in August with the Russians launching multiple counter-attacks, a senior source in Kyiv's…

www.france24.com

So it holds much less now whereas Russia still has over 35k square miles of Ukrainian territory which does not include Crimea. So Russia will never accept Ukraine's ridiculous demand of giving up Ukrainian territory for Russian territory which Russia will get back anyway.

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Everyone here is so naive.

A picture is better than 1000s of words....

you know something? world, specially the western European nations going economic slow down.. as its no more 18/.. century that you go conquest and plunder some resource rich country/s bone dry, so, the eu nations themselves going toward the bone dry phase.... now every one is eyeing the frozen russian assets which are legally still russian... EU/NATO having not much mass scale military hardware output willface the blunt edge of sword once US pulls the plug out.

 

[craigs]

Everyone here is so naive.

Not as much as the Ukrainian mobiks getting fried in the SMO zone.

 

[Ultraman]

fuck time passes so quickly , another 1 year of 3 day special military operation



frontline difference 1 year

2024




2025






defnitely complete Russian victory by 3024 AD

 

[WW2historian]

Everyone here is so naive.

I bet you were looking at yourself in the mirror when you typed that. Admitting this to yourself is a great start in your road of recovery from denial.

 

[WW2historian]

fuck time passes so quickly , another 1 year of 3 day special military operation

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I know I sound like a broken record, but that 3 day crap was said 2 weeks before the start of the SMO by the American think tank the ISW, as well as many other US media co. When their prediction did not come true they lied and said it was Putin.

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources​

Milley told lawmakers that Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine occurs​

By Jacqui Heinrich , Adam Sabes Fox News
Published February 5, 2022 7:49pm EST | Updated February 5, 2022 8:37pm EST

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/politics/kyiv-russia-ukraine-us-intelligence/index.html

Exclusive: U.S. Expects Kyiv's Fall in Days, Ukraine Source Warns of Siege

"After the air and artillery end and the ground war really starts, I think Kyiv falls in just a few days," one former senior U.S. intelligence officer told Newsweek.

www.newsweek.com

Putin 'is deluded and thought he would conquer Ukraine in three days'

Leaked documents reveal Putin's spies fed him false information and had no backup plan in the build-up to the invasion of Ukraine.

metro.co.uk

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

fuck time passes so quickly , another 1 year of 3 day special military operation

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defnitely complete Russian victory by 3024 AD

a notable difference in these 3 years is..... one nation lost 1~3% of its military age male population while another 1 lost a full generation of boomers or... +10% more or less of it's total population.

 

[Soldier35]

Footage of Russian Kh-101 cruise missile strikes on the Ukrainian gas production station "Shebelinkagazdobycha", located near the settlement of Mirnoye in the Kharkiv region. The video was filmed on February 20 by a local resident. The range of the Russian Kh-101 missile is up to 5,500 km, the warhead is 400 kg. Some versions of the Kh-101 missiles have a warhead of 800 kg


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJunNey0MPc

 

[Akim]

A picture is better than 1000s of words....
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you know something? world, specially the western European nations going economic slow down.. as its no more 18/.. century that you go conquest and plunder some resource rich country/s bone dry, so, the eu nations themselves going toward the bone dry phase.... now every one is eyeing the frozen russian assets which are legally still russian... EU/NATO having not much mass scale military hardware output willface the blunt edge of sword once US pulls the plug out.

I liked the fact that the US joined Sudan and Nicaragua in this resolution.
I already talked about phantom pains. Almost a hundred years have passed since India became independent, but you still count the holes in your pockets.
Today the EU has money, so it is too early to bury it. I will not discuss the opinions of economics professors, but 300 billion euros can simply be printed under the guarantees of frozen Russian assets. They additionally allocate 700 billion euros for their defense.
You are probably being sarcastic about the European military-industrial complex, while simultaneously buying Rafale. We will be able to replace American weapons. Of course, there will be a difficult period, but it can be overcome. Trump is only for 4 years. No country will die from his rule.

 

[hurrians]

You know what is coming.. If Trump abandons Ukriane.EU will cling to Ukraine even more forcefully.. The only scenario where EU would have abandoned Ukriane, would be when US military would be fully behind EU militaririly.. With Trump now talking lightly of Article 5, and now abandoning Ukraine.. EU will now fully back Ukraine financially and with military supplies.. Because Ukraine Army is a million man mammoth Army that is still standing, and still fighting Russia after 3 years.. UK, Germany and France can hardly deploy 10 brigades together.. Only Ukraine and Turkey have the conventional forces to fight Russia..
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AFTER kicking Russia out of Syria, I now see Turkey gaining a lot of economic concessions as well from a scared EU [ Fast track EU accession ? ]

@Akim Interesting times ahead, and Russia will not have a cake walk, even if Trump wants it..

Between, Erdogan..



View: https://x.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1891929741608862140?t=tIAVmrJQq_MPcc4qb6l_YA&s=19

"Similarly - albeit in a different approach to the US - the European Union has also proposed a partnership with Ukraine that would give it access to minerals in what the the European Commissioner for industrial strategy, Stéphane Séjourné, called a "win-win"."

Putin offers Russian and Ukrainian rare minerals to US

The proposal to give the US access to minerals would also include those from territories taken from Ukraine.

www.bbc.com