Russian Ukrainian War

[DingDong]

So, the most invested parties from the beginning were UK and France, and not the usual suspect i.e. the USA.

Ukraine was used as the cat's paw to weaken/tie-down Russia militarily. Rumors suggest that MI6, and not the Ukrainian security forces are responsible for Zelensky's security. UK is the puppeteer, still not ready to abandon it's asset.

 

[WW2historian]

I know that no one cares. Especially considering that then all UN documents since 1992 will be illegal. I was talking about the historical part of the issue, but not the legal one.

Okay, then why did you mention it? Also I didn't know that. And also I don't give a shit about the historical part of the issue either, and I'm guessing nobody other then you does.

 

[Akim]

Okay, then why did you mention it? Also I didn't know that. And also I don't give a shit about the historical part of the issue either, and I'm guessing nobody other then you does.

You started talking about France, although 40 years later the level of logistics had increased and the British and French kicked the Russian Empire in the teeth.

 

[WW2historian]

I think the only thing about the United nations that's of interest to me is to make fun of it because it's a total joke. When the US invaded Grenada the The United Nations General Assembly condemned it as "a flagrant violation of international law by a vote of 108 to 9. It went on to deplore "the death of innocent civilians" and the "killing of the Prime Minister and other prominent Grenadians", and it called for an "immediate cessation of the armed intervention" and demanded, "that free elections be organized".

Now do you think the US gave a shit that 108 nations condemned it? Well this might answer that question:
President Ronald Reagan was asked if he was concerned by the lopsided 108–9 vote in the UN General Assembly. He said, "it didn't upset my breakfast at all".

 

[Spitfire IX]

The evidence you cited are nothing but smoke and mirrors. In face there are more than enough evidence in Africa and Afghanistan to indict Macron and Biden for war crimes.

And Boris Johnson torpedoed any chance of peace that Ukraine could have had with Russia without losing territory. Putin - all he wanted was to follow the Minsk accords and keep Ukraine out of NATO. But no you guys had to have a stupid brain fart and decided that the Minsk accords could be tossed out and the rights and expressions of Russian people who have lived in Ukraine for centuries be damned.

Classic case of if I do it I am right, if you do it, you are wrong.

Your sheer arrogance and stupidity is astonishing.

I dislike your gross, insulting manner. That would apply to gross, insulting behaviour directed towards others, too.

You are presumptuous as well. It happens to be the case that I have been opposed to Ukraine joining NATO since before this war started.

 

[WW2historian]

I dislike your gross, insulting manner. That would apply to gross, insulting behaviour directed towards others, too.

You are presumptuous as well. It happens to be the case that I have been opposed to Ukraine joining NATO since before this war started.

You said to me that I was mistaken to think the UK and France wanted a war with Russia. I responded respectfully but you didn't reply back, which is fine. So now I find out the you were opposed to Ukraine joining NATO. Why is that? Don't they have a right to do so? Doesn't NATO have an open door policy? Who are you to oppose Ukraine joining NATO? I'm very curious to see what your answer will be. Oh, btw I am setting you up, and I think you know that, but you still should have the courage to answer anyway, or are you a coward?

 

[shade2]

So, the most invested parties from the beginning were UK and France, and not the usual suspect i.e. the USA.

Ukraine was used as the cat's paw to weaken/tie-down Russia militarily. Rumors suggest that MI6, and not the Ukrainian security forces are responsible for Zelensky's security. UK is the puppeteer, still not ready to abandon it's asset.

No it was the US, the UK today is basically a US outpost off the coast of Europe, to keep the EUropoids in check, that was why Brexit happened.

France is only anti-Russia today, aside from claiming the leadership of the EUmmah like how Macron is doing right now, is because the Russkies stole their neo-colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa via Wagner, leading to French bases and companies being booted out of those countries.

Before that, France was busy playing le negotiator.

Even before that, the French were going to sell 2x Mistral LHDs to Russia, these were built, but then 2014 Crimea grab happened, and bowing to US pressure they sanctioned Russia and didn't deliver these ships.

TLDR is basically France has it's own independent foreign policy, unless you ungli them directly for some reason like the Ruskals did.

btw when I say "US" i mean their Deep State that has been running things since WW2, not the Orange Baboon on the hotseat in the Oval Office, max his chimpouts will be for 4 years onlee, it is in this hope that EUwalas are giving #PhullSapport to Ukraine.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I dont believe any of them except Mediazona.. which is cited by even pro Russia twitter accounts like Armchair warlord..

Mediazona has counted 95,323 confirmed Russian DOD casualties, using BBC Russian service and team of volunteers.. You can access the full list of the Russian DOD dead as well.. All Russian deaths including contractors estimated at around 165000..

So, Russian irretrievable losses [with wounded who cant serve again would probably be about 500k ]
Ukraine too would have lost the same number as dead at around 2 lakh..

But, Ukraine has done a damn good job of killing a lot of Russian men..

Now, that BBC Russia and mediazona can go around Russia collecting info about war dead, but are not allowed to do anything in Ukraine which is under Martial law is a different story..

The game changer Russian UMPK satellite glide bombs are not as effective as before, increasingly subject to Ukranian jamming.. Russian attacks have been infantry led.. So, there will be a lot of Russian dead..

What we know about Russian losses after three years of the war in Ukraine. 165,000 military deaths and a full list of all known names

Today marks the third anniversary of the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine—and three years of our ongoing quest to reveal the true cost of this war. We are counting Russian ca...

en.zona.media

Media zona method:

Our standard for confirmed deaths is stringent: it requires an official publication or social media post from a relative with corresponding details, accompanying photos or dates of burials from local messaging groups, or photos from cemeteries.

We do not count military losses of the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR republics. However, if a Russian citizen voluntarily went to war and joined the armies of these republics (or was sent there after mobilisation), we will count them.

Number of confirmed casualties with verified names, as of February 2025 :

Russian (Mediazona OSINT) : 95323+
Ukrainian (Ukraine Losses OSINT) : 70,400+

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...ia-war-us-trump-battlefield-reports-pokrovsk/

 

[MasterChief]

Number of confirmed casualties with verified names, as of February 2025 :

Russian (Mediazona OSINT) : 95323+
Ukrainian (Ukraine Losses OSINT) : 70,400+

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...ia-war-us-trump-battlefield-reports-pokrovsk/

There is problem with the way Ukraine classifies its dead.. Many of the dead, whose bodies havent been recovered still classified as missing.. whereas many militaries would classify them as presumed KIA.
Also, this does not include private contractors killed on either side..

 

[Spitfire IX]

You said to me that I was mistaken to think the UK and France wanted a war with Russia. I responded respectfully but you didn't reply back, which is fine. So now I find out the you were opposed to Ukraine joining NATO. Why is that? Don't they have a right to do so? Doesn't NATO have an open door policy? Who are you to oppose Ukraine joining NATO? I'm very curious to see what your answer will be. Oh, btw I am setting you up, and I think you know that, but you still should have the courage to answer anyway, or are you a coward?

Sorry not to answer. I have not read this thread for some time and have not yet seen the response to which you refer.

Why was I opposed to Ukraine joining NATO? For several reasons, one being that I was made aware by people I knew who had lived in Russia for years of the profound fear Russians had of attack by the West. IMO Ukraine joining NATO would have heightened the fears (valid or invalid) of Russians of being attacked.

I see NATO policy as being largely decided by dominant member the US of A, rather than by all its members. For that reason I dislike NATO. Ironically Putin's invasion showed Sweden and Finland that if you were not protected from Russian aggression by being part of a military alliance, you were at risk of attack. Those countries were effectively pushed into joining NATO by Russia's attack on Ukraine. I approved of them joining NATO. What other option was available to them to improve their security?

Who am I to oppose Ukraine joining NATO? I live in a country where access to information is not suppressed. Information is not invented, manipulated or controlled by the government before I can access it. I am free to inform myself, think, form judgements and argue my view.

 

[WW2historian]

Sorry not to answer. I have not read this thread for some time and have not yet seen the response to which you refer.

Why was I opposed to Ukraine joining NATO? For several reasons, one being that I was made aware by people I knew who had lived in Russia for years of the profound fear Russians had of attack by the West. IMO Ukraine joining NATO would have heightened the fears (valid or invalid) of Russians of being attacked.

I see NATO policy as being largely decided by dominant member the US of A, rather than by all its members. For that reason I dislike NATO. Ironically Putin's invasion showed Sweden and Finland that if you were not protected from Russian aggression by being part of a military alliance, you were at risk of attack. Those countries were effectively pushed into joining NATO by Russia's attack on Ukraine. I approved of them joining NATO. What other option was available to them to improve their security?

Who am I to oppose Ukraine joining NATO? I live in a country where access to information is not suppressed. Information is not invented, manipulated or controlled by the government before I can access it. I am free to inform myself, think, form judgements and argue my view.

Your answer surprised me a bit, because I didn't think you would talk about the Russian people's feelings of being scared being heightened. I was expecting you to at least mention the red line that had been talked about since 1991. It's nice you care about the feelings of Russian's, you sound very young. I would guess your still in high school, seriously because you sound naïve. Let me get to the point, everyone knew that a war would break out and Russia would invade if Ukraine attempted to join NATO, including the UK. I presumed you knew that, but I apparently was wrong. So that's why I thought your comment made no sense. Now it makes sense because you were ignorant of the severe consequences of Ukraine attempt to join NATO, which was war with Russia. That's why the UK wanted war, because they said fuck you to Russia, and told them Ukraine can join, what the fuck are you going to do about it Putin? Now we know. I hope you can see that now.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Your answer surprised me a bit, because I didn't think you would talk about the Russian people's feelings of being scared being heightened. I was expecting you to at least mention the red line that had been talked about since 1991. It's nice you care about the feelings of Russian's, you sound very young. I would guess your still in high school, seriously because you sound naïve. Let me get to the point, everyone knew that a war would break out and Russia would invade if Ukraine attempted to join NATO, including the UK. I presumed you knew that, but I apparently was wrong. So that's why I thought your comment made no sense. Now it makes sense because you were ignorant of the severe consequences of Ukraine attempt to join NATO, which was war with Russia. That's why the UK wanted war, because they said fuck you to Russia, and told them Ukraine can join, what the fuck are you going to do about it Putin? Now we know. I hope you can see that now.

Nope. I don't see wanting to exercise your sovereignty as justifying being attacked by another country. Neither does international law.

The 'bottom line' is that the majority of the people in Ukraine want to live in an independent Ukraine. They do not want to live under an oppressive foreign regime, particularly one intent on suppressing or destroying their culture. Would Indians in north-west India be prepared to trade their current status for occupation by an oppressive China intent on wiping out their Indian culture? That is what is proposed by some for Ukraine - trading its independence for occupation by an oppressive Russia.

I think that the western Europeans were foolish not lend/give Ukraine the funds massively to increase its defences after the Budapest agreement - which contained no security guarantee by the signatories. IMO Ukraine needed to have extremely strong defences in order to deter any future attack by Russia without being a NATO member. A future attack by Russia might have been averted by the EU spending a few hundred billion euros on Ukraine defence capability, thereby saving the world trillions of dollars/euros in the long run.

 

[Blademaster]

I dislike your gross, insulting manner. That would apply to gross, insulting behaviour directed towards others, too.

You are presumptuous as well. It happens to be the case that I have been opposed to Ukraine joining NATO since before this war started.

And I dislike your country’s leaders fucking up other countries for their own selfish gains and your country have been responsible for more wars than any other nation so I don’t give a rats ass about what you think.

 

[WW2historian]

Nope. I don't see wanting to exercise your sovereignty as justifying being attacked by another country. Neither does international law.

The 'bottom line' is that the majority of the people in Ukraine want to live in an independent Ukraine. They do not want to live under an oppressive foreign regime, particularly one intent on suppressing or destroying their culture. Would Indians in north-west India be prepared to trade their current status for occupation by an oppressive China intent on wiping out their Indian culture? That is what is proposed by some for Ukraine - trading its independence for occupation by an oppressive Russia.

I think that the western Europeans were foolish not lend/give Ukraine the funds massively to increase its defences after the Budapest agreement - which contained no security guarantee by the signatories. IMO Ukraine needed to have extremely strong defences in order to deter any future attack by Russia without being a NATO member. A future attack by Russia might have been averted by the EU spending a few hundred billion euros on Ukraine defence capability, thereby saving the world trillions of dollars/euros in the long run.

I bet you thought Russia would not attack Ukraine because you thought Putin said to himself "Gosh, Ukraine can do what they want because they are a sovereign country, and what right do I really have? Yeah they are killing ethnic Russians in a civil war, and I did give them a red line, but I was just joking around. So what if they had an illegal coup and went against the will of the people. That doesn't mean they are not a sovereign nation anymore."

You need to get out of you ideological dream world and wake up. I made a mistake. Your not in high school, you're in 5th grade. Go up to a hungry tiger or bear and believe he won't kill and eat you because he has no right or moral justification to do so. If you do you will end up like this idiot.

Why did the bear kill Timothy Treadwell? — Science on Screen

scienceonscreen.org

 

[Akim]

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

What about this!!! man, serious days are coming, if the video is not AI generated and gets real....

View: https://x.com/i/status/1896377651335737588

 

[Akim]

What about this!!! man, serious days are coming, if the video is not AI generated and gets real....

View: https://x.com/i/status/1896377651335737588

I haven't read anything like that. He said "Bitch" (in Russian/Ukrainian) to "Putin's puppy" (JD Vance) when he came to Ukraine via Google Maps.

 

[Soldier35]

The use of the Russian FPV drone "Prince Vandal Novgorodsky", controlled via fiber optic cable. The video shows the strike of the FPV drone "Vandal" on the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier International MaxxPro, equipped with additional protection. The video was filmed in the village of Kazachya Loknya, Kursk region of Russia. The armored personnel carrier International MaxxPro is produced by the American company Navistar International and was accepted into service in 2007. As a result of the strike of the FPV drone "Vandal", the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier International MaxxPro was destroyed by fire. The fate of the crew is unknown.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CcM7dM7NI

 

[WW2historian]

You started talking about France, although 40 years later the level of logistics had increased and the British and French kicked the Russian Empire in the teeth.

And at one time the dinosaurs ruled the planet. That was then and this is now, I don't see the British and French ruling Crimea today? Why is that?

 

[Prasad]

Current situation is that Russia has occupied parts of Ukraine that it liked.

Zelenskyy expectation -> Russia should leave all occupied lands, say sorry and go back.
Putin's response -> I am not moving back,. what are you going to do.
Europe response -> we will give more money and munitions to Ukraine so that they can fight for more years
Putin's response -> sure, go for it.

At this point there is nothing Ukraine or Europe can do to make Putin go back.
Putin basically called their bluff and said 'Or what?'
and they have no answer.

What is Ukraine and Europe gonna do if Putin stays put?
Even if Europe puts boots on ground, it's not winning this war against Putin.

Realistically there is no way for anyone in the world to make Putin go back and that includes US.
People forget that parts of these occupied lands are ethnic Russians with loyalty to Russia. This is not a scenario where the locals are resisting Russian occupation.

When you accept the fact that there is no way you can forcibly remove Russians from Ukraine, everything else falls into picture.

Zelenskyy can either negotiate now or lose millions more and more land and then come to negotiations.