Small Arms and Weapons

Magadha Naresh said:
@johny_baba sir can you shed some light on STG 940 series of rifles .
They look so beautiful tbh.
It's a pity india cancelled the order .
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East Germans wanted money from exporting their weaponry, and since they got license plus ToT to manufacture warsaw bloc pattern AKs there in 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm it wasn't possible for them to just open a production line of those pattern AKs in NATO or other calibres over contractual obligations; so to circumvent those kind of limitations they 'reengineered' their production line to make standalone 'local' AK in 5.56x45mm NATO, gave it a new series title under Wieger StG (SturmGewehr) from previous MPi (MaschinePistole)

prototypes were made in late 80s and in 1989 they started an entire series of Stgw with five different variants, from assault rifle to carbine to LMG to Marksman rifle and so;

It's generally said that except marksman version all StG-s were given semi-auto, and full auto capabilities; and even though the core design was forked from AK-74 there were 'minor differences' in design to circumvent licensing limitations whatever 🤷‍♂️

but before serial mass production could begin, Berlin Wall collapsed and two countries became one, that put a wedge in their plans to export as the factory itself was shut down; Indian and Peruvian contracts were deemed invalid and later Federal German government paid penalties to these respective countries over that.

most of the existing StG-s in unified Germany were destroyed by Federal German government and their agents even seized and destroyed technical papers and machinery involved in its production at that factory 🤷‍♂️ - still around 10 thousands of them had been exported to Peru and India - giving a speculation that perhaps INSAS took its base from StG-940 although INSAS program itself had been going on much before that order - so whether it was lack of trust in domestic rifle program or just an attempt at IMPOOORTgiri remains a question 😪

however it's also a thing that Federal German government itself exported lots of their inherited surplus AKs in both 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm to various countries including India itself I assume; but letting that factory to run and sell StG pattern AKs was somehow a bad thing 🤷‍♂️

btw, those current 'civilian' semi-auto only Weiger StG-pattern rifles in market are mostly fakes, as they are build upon romanian AK kits and just given StG-pattern handguards+buttstock+pistol grips for that unique aesthetics

this StG-942 was among last prototype with jugadu AR-like functioning charging handle on its dust cover plus new fire selector akin to current Galil ACE's on right side and translucent magazine
StG-942.jpg
 
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The Area Of Difference Between The AK 203 And AK 47:

1. Against AK-47’s empty magazine weight of 4.3kg, the AK-203 is lighter at 3.8kg

2. it has a sighting range of 800m compared with an effective range of 300-400m for the older variant.

3. The AK-203 magazine contains 30 rounds while the AK-47 magazine carries 20 or 30-rounds. The two rifles have an identical rate of fire of 600 rounds/min.

4. The AK-203 has a length of 705mm with the stock folded, while the AK-47 measures 645mm.

5. AK-203 also features an integrated compensator and flash suppressor which is missing in the older variant that is AK 47.

Read More: https://www.ssbcrack.com/2022/07/difference-between-ak-203-vs-ak-47.html#
 
Magadha Naresh said:
Continue about weapons development and procurement by the Indian army and central para military forcesView attachment 289View attachment 289
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It was recently aired on the Forgotten WeaponS as I was going through the comment came across German Wikipedia quote that neither the Indian nor the Peruvian got the rifles and had to pay a penalty for it. Hence, we don't have any picture of this rifle in the Indian armed force.
 
tomthounaojam87 said:
It was recently aired on the Forgotten WeaponS as I was going through the comment came across German Wikipedia quote that neither the Indian nor the Peruvian got the rifles and had to pay a penalty for it. Hence, we don't have any picture of this rifle in the Indian armed force.
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on chinese wikipedia page of StG-940 it was mentioned that they exported ~7500 StG-940 to India, besides there is a potential link between INSAS and StG-940, that is...
Wieger StG-942 magazine bottom plate lock.jpg
notice the two locking tabs or buttons here on bottom plate of this magazine for Wieger StG-942;
now compare it with INSAS Magazine's bottom hhmm
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quite similar in design
now it might seem like a coincidence BUT even polymer magazine for Weiger series AKs had similar two-button locks for its bottom plate, not properly visible here but features are there
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now coming to INSAS again, early INSAS prototypes features similar pattern steel magazine on them
INSAS Prototype - Translated.png

so there are some links between Weiger series AK and INSAS, and i kinda believe we did get some of those StG-940 but as the contract got cancelled most of them ended with ARDE or OFB instead of in service
 
To those new to firearms, there are some counter intuitive realities you must learn, which are different from pop culture myths about famous rifles. After knowing the basic, you will realize why exactly the IA chose the direct impingement version of the Sig and how good the decision was.

The first thing to unlearn is that the M4 i.e AR 15 platform is "not reliable", or that AK 47 is "the most reliable rifle in the world".


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU&ab_channel=InRangeTV


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU&ab_channel=InRangeTV


As you can see here, the AR 15 platform is quite reliable and shows better results in mud tests than the AK. This is contrary to the stereotypes that "you can do anything to an AK it will keep firing" which our internet experts and even some IA officers throw about. On the other end "M4's are delicate, they're not reliable, only for special ops etc" must also be unlearnt.

To witness an even more counter intuitive example, here's the German G 36 performing better than the AK in the mud test. The G36 like the AR 15 has a closed system which normally doesn't allow mud to get in. It also uses gas piston like the AK and most other rifles. Most of the controversy about the G36 has also been proven false recently. But that's another topic.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2dU-AH0aQA&ab_channel=InRangeTV


The reality is that the AR 15 platform, which M4 is part of, is one of the most reliable systems in the world due to its internal design. The primary contributing factors is its dust cover and closed system, which prevents mud and other debris coming into its system in the first place. And when they do get into the internal system, that's when its direct impingement system plays a role by sending gas back into the chamber and blowing out any mud and dust. The direct impingement system on the AR platform also has the advantage of giving less recoil and lower weight, especially relevant for the Sig 716i, since it uses a large calibre.

To understand why the M16 and M4 falsely got their reputations as unreliable, watch the video below. Basically American public ordinance babus in the 60s intentionally gave faulty ammunition and didn't give cleaning kits to make the M16 look bad because they wanted to produce their old M14s.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYar4Zf8jH8&ab_channel=SmallArmsSolutions


The AK series are also very reliable in its own right, but does not deserve the endless praise it gets in pop culture and casual analysis on the internet. They're rifles like any other and get jammed like any other, in some cases more than western rifles. They use the same gas piston mechanism that most other rifles do, so they're not doing anything unique.

To understand the difference between direct impingement and gas piston, watch the videos below of the different mechanisms of the AR vs AK platforms. Gas piston was thought of as more reliable, but there is serious doubt on that claim now considering how reliable direct impingement is. Gas piston also increases recoil, due to a solid metal bar violently pushing the bolt back, compared to gas piston which only has gas coming back.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omv85cLfmxU&ab_channel=MattRittman



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eQLFVpOYm4&ab_channel=MattRittman


Finally, people don't realize that the quality of the magazine plays as much of a role in the reliability of a rifle as the rifle itself. The magazine is the component that feeds rounds into the rifle, and hence must function flawlessly in its spring system.

The IA made a very smart choice by going for the direct impingement option for its Sig rifles and choosing an AR platform to begin with. Now, why the INSAS has been such an unreliable rifle is another discussion, and mostly to do with quality control in sarkari babu OFB. But with this post I want to give people the basics of modern service rifles and break common myths.
 
nongaddarliberal said:
@johny baba, if you could make a post on the INSAS and what went wrong with it, that would be much appreciated.
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:yawn: i've written about it so many times in teligram groups but i got kicked out of those places and nowadays i don't have much energy, willingness to rewrite all that, you know...

let's just say,
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