Stealth anti ship missile (39 Viewers)

[liberalredditor]

Even one indian brahmos got intercepted by pakistan

lol, lmao, xd, πjaan proof dikhao, hawa hawai mat bano, nahi to udta gend me hoga, aur fir bhi nahi sudhre to fir

 

[randombully]

First.
Modern stealth missiles are more of low observable/quasi stealth missiles than actual "stealth" missiles, as in as stealthy or more stealthy than stealth fighter jets.
They mainly rely on their stealth shaping, and while they do have composite and ram, but its more similar to ram and composite applied on fighters like tejas, gripen, su35, rafale etc, they don't have stealth fighter level RAM/RAS.

For example Tomahawk missiles is considered to have rcs of 0.3-0.5m2,
while Storm shadow/scalp is considered to have rcs Of 0.01-0.03m2.
That is 15 to 30 times smaller rcs than Tomahawk, that will decrease the detection and tracking range of storm shadow/scalp by 1.5 to 3 times compared to tomahawk.

A major difference but not as game changing of a difference as found between 4th and 5th gen fighter jet airframes.

Modern large ground based aesa radars can still detect rcs as low as 0.01-0.03m2 at BVR ranges, I.e. 60-90km range. and track it at 40-70km range, though limited by line of sight so depends on altitude of the targer too.
Obviously it can detect and track large 0.3-0.5m2 target at even longer ranges given it has line of sight for that.

And L and VHF can detect at lot longer ranges, but again dependent on target's altitude due to limited by earth's curvature.




now, most cruise missiles follow horizon mapping and in later parts of their flight as they get close to the tathet,follow follow terrain mapping to stay below radars field of view by taking advantage of earth's curvature.
In some missions they fly entirely in terrain mapping modern sacrificing range.

A ground based radar due to earth's horizon is limited In its field of view.
So for a missile doing terrain mapping/sea skimming radar will only get a line of sight at 30-60km, depending on how high the ground radar is and how close to water/surface missile is flying.
So as the radar gets line of sight it will be able to detect both tomahawk and storm shadow, and storm shadow in this particular case doesn't provide significant/large enough delay in detection, as terrain mapping becomes a bigger limit in detection than rcs, in this specific case.

But again, even in this case the low rcs shaping of stormshadow will provide some benifits, but its nowhere near game changing level benifit that makes cylindrical shape tomahawk obsolete compared to stealthy stormshadow.

Stealth shaping of cruise missiles provides lot more benefit when aerial detection elements like awacs and even fighter jets are present in air, in this scenerio they provide quite significant benifit, though it is case by case dependent.

So stealth shaping provides significant benifits, but it doesn't make cylindrical shaped cruise missiles obsolete or out of their league.
Like the latest block V tomahawk missile entered service with US military in 2021 and retained its cylindrical shape, even though America's first low rcs shaping cruise missile The AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM) entered service with the US Air Force in mid-1990s




I would also like to add, while stealth shaping is worth it, but it does not make subsonic low rcs shaping missiles like stormshadow better than brahmos.
Both are different missile with each having their own place.
At close ranges, more EO and IR sights have improved a lot, so even if these missiles were as stealthy as stealthy fighters, they will still be tracked and targeted at 30-50km by EO and IR methods, and engaging a subsonic missile at close distances and even point distances is a lot easier compared to engaging something like a brahmos coming at you at mach 2.8 or 2.8+ at close or point distances.

If a ~500km range storm shadow costed as much as a ~500km range brahmos, then I would prefer to have brahmos than stormshadow, even if multiple stormshadows can be carried by a fighter jet compared to single brahmos.
But it doesn't, a storm shadow cost 3-4 times less than a single brahmos, and you can carry multiple of it, that's why it has its own place.


And we do already use storm shadow/scalp on our rafales.
And are developing our own next gen autonomous subsonic cruise missile/drone that will also feature stealth shaping called cats hunter.

 

[PhotonVish]

In the ukraine war storm shadows got intercepted by s400s and pantsir ads but p800 oniks was never intercepted by patriot ads or any other western ads even once.

Stealth and speed are 2 different approaches with their own benefit and downsides.

Also brahmos has sea skimming/ terrain hugging capabiltiy of only 3 meters above the surface.

lol what? Give me once instance of solid proof that p800 oniks got intercepted and the proof of brahmos being intercepted by pakistan of all nations.

won't be intercepted before 2030.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/s/Il2t3RWusR

 

[PhotonVish]

lol, lmao, xd, πjaan proof dikhao, hawa hawai mat bano, nahi to udta gend me hoga, aur fir bhi nahi sudhre to fir

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[PhotonVish]

Not just one Paijaan but 7 were intercepted , 8 Rafales were also shot down and 6 S400s radars were destroyed



Janab Pakistan is so advanced as compared to this kuffar mulq, they have stealth mijjiles and we have Soviat era P-800 Oniks

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[liberalredditor]

lagta hai brahmos ke chudayi se man bhara nahi, agle baar aur rawwdogg hoge tum beta

 

[PhotonVish]

lagta hai brahmos ke chudayi se man bhara nahi, agle baar aur rawwdogg hoge tum beta

Lavde mai bhi indian nationalist hun , par russian tech par ucchalta nahi , brahmos ng ka kab se sun rahe hai par abhi tak nahi bana kyuki brahmos hamari tech nahi tha , brahmos ng me hamari tech hogi aur russia ke pass kutch vaisa hai nahi isilie time lag raha hai

Aur pata hai ? Gun poweder china me invent hua tha , india me west aur muslims se pahle aagya tha still we nor china were not able to make any gun powder weapon.
Europeans mastered gunpoweder and ruled the world

Isilie ek single tech par chipaka jaane ko intelligence nahi kahte.

 

[liberalredditor]

Lavde mai bhi indian nationalist hun

aur main intelligence bureau ka ek senior agent hun, is forum par talented logon ko hire kar raha hun drdo aur barc ke liye.

 

[Interested]

In the ukraine war storm shadows got intercepted by s400s and pantsir ads but p800 oniks was never intercepted by patriot ads or any other western ads even once.

Stealth and speed are 2 different approaches with their own benefit and downsides.

Also brahmos has sea skimming/ terrain hugging capabiltiy of only 3 meters above the surface.

lol what? Give me once instance of solid proof that p800 oniks got intercepted and the proof of brahmos being intercepted by pakistan of all nations.

won't be intercepted before 2030.

Atleast one Kinzhal was intercepted ...during the terminal flight phase as it slowed down to maneuver to hit a target .

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

I

Ts because it now in integrating phase. Its very new missile , ready in 2018. Uts alredy a primary air launched anti ship missile. They are integrating it with their surface vessels too.
And tomhawk main purpose is land attack role as a cheap option and usa attack mostky where air defense is very weak like iran houties so tomhawk will remain in service.
They are currently ohasing out harpoon.
And obv 158c is very costly so u can not use it in same number as hapoon

this year in September, USA will start fielding anti ship version of tomahawk missile nd they r calling it game changer. not to ur stealthy 158 C. atleast u should believe in their fleet force command admiral, that "this anti ship version of the US's best known non nuclear missile....i guess u hv more confidence in stealthy 158c than US admiral

US Navy To Field ‘Game-Changer’ Anti-Ship Tomahawk By September

By Tony Capaccio May 30, 2025 (Bloomberg) –The US Navy will start fielding an anti-ship version of its Tomahawk cruise missile on destroyers by late September in what the service’s readiness...

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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

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how u know these r brahmos part?? any thing, which proof these r brahmos part. we use rampage, brahmos, some other israeli missile nd storm shadow.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Re range reduction in lo-lo-lo profile

Enhancing Firepower – BrahMos

Extending the range of the Brahmos-A would be technically far more challenging than extending the range of the surface launched variants of the missile, since

indiandefencereview.com

Targeting Challenges

The range of the BrahMos missile varies sharply with its flight profile and can drop to as low as 120 km if the missile is flying a lo-lo-lo flight profile. The maximum range of 300 km is achieved with a hi-hi-hi flight profile. Typically, the missile is programmed to fly a “hi-lo” or “hi-lo-hi” profile, in which case the range would be between 120 km to 300 km, depending on the duration of the individual legs. During hostilities, the Indian Navy (IN) would use the ASCM variant of the BrahMos to target enemy ships and the LACM variant to target coastal installation such as ports and radars. The Indian Army would use the LACM missile to target enemy formations and logistics hubs within or near the TBA.

lo-lo-lo flight profile range used to 120km when full range was 300, the ratio is 0.4.

Assuming this ratio, lo-lo-lo range with 450km current version is 180km. And with brahmos-lr it should be 320km, I think this was tested in May 2025.

 

[darkindie]

Atleast one Kinzhal was intercepted ...during the terminal flight phase as it slowed down to maneuver to hit a target .

Kinzhal is air launched ballistic missile, your point?

 

[darkindie]

Re range reduction in lo-lo-lo profile

Enhancing Firepower – BrahMos

Extending the range of the Brahmos-A would be technically far more challenging than extending the range of the surface launched variants of the missile, since

indiandefencereview.com

lo-lo-lo flight profile range used to 120km when full range was 300, the ratio is 0.4.

Assuming this ratio, lo-lo-lo range with 450km current version is 180km. And with brahmos-lr it should be 320km, I think this was tested in May 2025.
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And this range reduction would not apply to subsonic missiles?

 

[darkindie]

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yes πjaan thees ees dafinatly brahmos shot down by the zazba waali quom of the pure land of pubic hair.