Stealth anti ship missile (6 Viewers)

[PhotonVish]

usa has super stealthy agm 158b/c , what we have ? germany has , france has uk has , turkey has , even pak has but india lack stealth cruise missile , but why ? stealthy anti ship missile is need of hour.

why we have soviet era mentality that speed is very imp ? usa has its major focus on stealth , why india is not making stealth anti ship cruise like agm 158c ? even brahmos do seaskimming in terminal phase , its unstealthy so it can easily be shot down, while agm 158c do sea skimming even in cruising phase which mask it by earth horizon effect.
imo china sells pakistan outdated weapon , even pl 15e was of 2015 model(which found intact) , imo the chinese airdefense can easily knock off a high flying brahmos which has huge radar signature.

and do we use ram coating on other weapons ? i have seen usa using ram coating on f16 , f15 , do we use in tejas , su 30 , rafel ? do we used ram coating on brahmos ?

people says that drdo is missile powerhouse but i disagree , even itcm has not satisfied our militry , and developing a subsonic non stealthy cruise
missile in 2025 sounds stupid , atleast we should have gone in class of agm 158b/c.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

usa has super stealthy agm 158b/c , what we have ? germany has , france has uk has , turkey has , even pak has but india lack stealth cruise missile , but why ? stealthy anti ship missile is need of hour.

why we have soviet era mentality that speed is very imp ? usa has its major focus on stealth , why india is not making stealth anti ship cruise like agm 158c ? even brahmos do seaskimming in terminal phase , its unstealthy so it can easily be shot down, while agm 158c do sea skimming even in cruising phase which mask it by earth horizon effect.
imo china sells pakistan outdated weapon , even pl 15e was of 2015 model(which found intact) , imo the chinese airdefense can easily knock off a high flying brahmos which has huge radar signature.

and do we use ram coating on other weapons ? i have seen usa using ram coating on f16 , f15 , do we use in tejas , su 30 , rafel ? do we used ram coating on brahmos ?

people says that drdo is missile powerhouse but i disagree , even itcm has not satisfied our militry , and developing a subsonic non stealthy cruise
missile in 2025 sounds stupid , atleast we should have gone in class of agm 158b/c.

Which stealth missile pak has ?
Drdo develops something when forces want it to and drdo is a missile powerhouse, creating something like anti sat missile, bmd isn't easy, they are working on hypersonic cruise missiles and scramjet engines.

Why does india has x weapon ?
And:- forces haven't asked for it yet

And Cats hunter is a low observable missile currently under development. Technically speaking supersonic missiles with good maneuverability and subsonic missiles with stealth perform nearly same.

 

[South Block]

We need something like AGM-158C LRASM in numbers..... Stealth beats speed in both range & Payload...... DRDO can build one & they must....Need to be number one priority.

 

[South Block]

Which stealth missile pak has ?
Drdo develops something when forces want it to and drdo is a missile powerhouse, creating something like anti sat missile, bmd isn't easy, they are working on hypersonic cruise missiles and scramjet engines.

Why does india has x weapon ?
And:- forces haven't asked for it yet

And Cats hunter is a low observable missile currently under development. Technically speaking supersonic missiles with good maneuverability and subsonic missiles with stealth perform nearly same.

Subsonic stealth missiles outperform high speed cruise missiles on nearly all key criteria.........They offer superior survivability by flying at low altitudes with reduced radar cross‑sections, making them harder to detect and intercept......... Their less predictable and more stealthy flight paths allow them to evade modern air defenses more effectively......In addition, subsonic designs generally achieve higher range and can carry heavier payloads due to better fuel efficiency at lower speeds.......They also tend to deliver greater accuracy thanks to stable flight profiles and advanced guidance systems.......Taken together, these advantages make subsonic stealth missiles a more effective and reliable choice in most operational scenarios compared to their high‑speed counterparts.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Subsonic stealth missiles outperform high speed cruise missiles on nearly all key criteria.........They offer superior survivability by flying at low altitudes with reduced radar cross‑sections, making them harder to detect and intercept......... Their less predictable and more stealthy flight paths allow them to evade modern air defenses more effectively......In addition, subsonic designs generally achieve higher range and can carry heavier payloads due to better fuel efficiency at lower speeds.......They also tend to deliver greater accuracy thanks to stable flight profiles and advanced guidance systems.......Taken together, these advantages make subsonic stealth missiles a more effective and reliable choice in most operational scenarios compared to their high‑speed counterparts.

R u saying:-
scalp missile type stealthy subsonic missile > upcoming hypersonic vishnu missile > brahmos supersonic missile??

 

[snakeeyes07]

Which stealth missile pak has ?
Drdo develops something when forces want it to and drdo is a missile powerhouse, creating something like anti sat missile, bmd isn't easy, they are working on hypersonic cruise missiles and scramjet engines.

Why does india has x weapon ?
And:- forces haven't asked for it yet

And Cats hunter is a low observable missile currently under development. Technically speaking supersonic missiles with good maneuverability and subsonic missiles with stealth perform nearly same.

Pakistan has Taimur and Raad, the air intake design is relatively not stealthy. Raad's tail wings are also relatively not stealthy.



Their Babur and Harbah (Babur derivative) are similar to Tomahawk/LR-LACM.

 

[PhotonVish]

R u saying:-
scalp missile type stealthy subsonic missile > upcoming hypersonic vishnu missile > brahmos supersonic missile??

Then why usa main focus is stealth ? Is usa stupid ?
Usa main focus is on stealth .
And u know what ? dont do seaskimming in cruise phase , insted it flew high , which can easily be detected and shot down , but agm 158c cruise near surface hence using earth horizon as shield !!

Zircon even dont do sea skimming in terminal phase , its more like a hypersonic goide vehicle than a cruise missile in result .


And u know what ? Even the interceptor missiles will find it hard to lock on missiles(interceptors have active seeker) due to stealthy nature. So evading interceptor missiles will be easy.

Speed is no longer that useful with high power cpu and extremly accurate sensors. Insted stealth is as they works on physics level to protect missiles .

WE have to leave the soviat mentality that speed is evrything.

 

[PhotonVish]

R u saying:-
scalp missile type stealthy subsonic missile > upcoming hypersonic vishnu missile > brahmos supersonic missile??

And agm 158c is far more stealthier than scalp.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Then why usa main focus is stealth ? Is usa stupid ?
Usa main focus is on stealth .
And u know what ? dont do seaskimming in cruise phase , insted it flew high , which can easily be detected and shot down , but agm 158c cruise near surface hence using earth horizon as shield !!

Zircon even dont do sea skimming in terminal phase , its more like a hypersonic goide vehicle than a cruise missile in result .


And u know what ? Even the interceptor missiles will find it hard to lock on missiles(interceptors have active seeker) due to stealthy nature. So evading interceptor missiles will be easy.

Speed is no longer that useful with high power cpu and extremly accurate sensors. Insted stealth is as they works on physics level to protect missiles .

WE have to leave the soviat mentality that speed is evrything.

why USA dont use this "mighty" stealthy 158 C as primary anti ship missile on their naval ships??? why they still using harpoon nd tomahawk like unstealthy anti ship missile?

 

[PhotonVish]

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why USA dont use this "mighty" stealthy 158 C as primary anti ship missile on their naval ships??? why they still using harpoon nd tomahawk like unstealthy anti ship missile?

Ts because it now in integrating phase. Its very new missile , ready in 2018. Uts alredy a primary air launched anti ship missile. They are integrating it with their surface vessels too.
And tomhawk main purpose is land attack role as a cheap option and usa attack mostky where air defense is very weak like iran houties so tomhawk will remain in service.
They are currently ohasing out harpoon.
And obv 158c is very costly so u can not use it in same number as hapoon

 

[darkindie]

Then why usa main focus is stealth ? Is usa stupid ?
Usa main focus is on stealth .
And u know what ? dont do seaskimming in cruise phase , insted it flew high , which can easily be detected and shot down , but agm 158c cruise near surface hence using earth horizon as shield !!

Zircon even dont do sea skimming in terminal phase , its more like a hypersonic goide vehicle than a cruise missile in result .


And u know what ? Even the interceptor missiles will find it hard to lock on missiles(interceptors have active seeker) due to stealthy nature. So evading interceptor missiles will be easy.

Speed is no longer that useful with high power cpu and extremly accurate sensors. Insted stealth is as they works on physics level to protect missiles .

WE have to leave the soviat mentality that speed is evrything.

In the ukraine war storm shadows got intercepted by s400s and pantsir ads but p800 oniks was never intercepted by patriot ads or any other western ads even once.

Stealth and speed are 2 different approaches with their own benefit and downsides.

Also brahmos has sea skimming/ terrain hugging capabiltiy of only 3 meters above the surface.

 

[liberalredditor]

Khangress it celliyas have invaded harder than russia

 

[PhotonVish]

In the ukraine war storm shadows got intercepted by s400s and pantsir ads but p800 oniks was never intercepted by patriot ads or any other western ads even once.

Stealth and speed are 2 different approaches with their own benefit and downsides.

Also brahmos has sea skimming/ terrain hugging capabiltiy of only 3 meters above the surface.

Mnay p800 do get intercepted , even zircon. Even one indian brahmos got intercepted by pakistan

Beside in sea , case will be different , storm shadow can sea skimm in its cruise phase but brahmos dont , yeah brahmos do sea skimming at only 3m but in terminal phase , around 15 to 20 km before target .
can do sea skimming in cruise phase then its range will drastically decrease

 

[PhotonVish]

Khangress it celliyas have invaded harder than russia

Bruh i am my self a right winger and a proud hindu

But being right wing does not mean i havr ti think like soviats.
Reality is that usa is pinnacle of technology and we should always learn from others specially if they are more adavnced that us

 

[shade2]

Mnay p800 do get intercepted , even zircon. Even one indian brahmos got intercepted by pakistan

Beside in sea , case will be different , storm shadow can sea skimm in its cruise phase but brahmos dont , yeah brahmos do sea skimming at only 3m but in terminal phase , around 15 to 20 km before target .
can do sea skimming in cruise phase then its range will drastically decrease

Not just one Paijaan but 7 were intercepted , 8 Rafales were also shot down and 6 S400s radars were destroyed

Pakistan has Taimur and Raad, the air intake design is relatively not stealthy. Raad's tail wings are also relatively not stealthy.
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Their Babur and Harbah (Babur derivative) are similar to Tomahawk/LR-LACM.
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Janab Pakistan is so advanced as compared to this kuffar mulq, they have stealth mijjiles and we have Soviat era P-800 Oniks

 

[darkindie]

Then why usa main focus is stealth ? Is usa stupid ?
Usa main focus is on stealth .
And u know what ? dont do seaskimming in cruise phase , insted it flew high , which can easily be detected and shot down , but agm 158c cruise near surface hence using earth horizon as shield !!

Zircon even dont do sea skimming in terminal phase , its more like a hypersonic goide vehicle than a cruise missile in result .


And u know what ? Even the interceptor missiles will find it hard to lock on missiles(interceptors have active seeker) due to stealthy nature. So evading interceptor missiles will be easy.

Speed is no longer that useful with high power cpu and extremly accurate sensors. Insted stealth is as they works on physics level to protect missiles .

WE have to leave the soviat mentality that speed is evrything.

In the ukraine war storm shadows got intercepted by s400s and pantsir ads but p800 oniks was never intercepted by patriot ads or any other western ads even once.

Stealth and speed are 2 different approaches with their own benefit and downsides.

Also brahmos has sea skimming/ terrain hugging capabiltiy of only 3 meters above the surface.

Mnay p800 do get intercepted , even zircon. Even one indian brahmos got intercepted by pakistan

Beside in sea , case will be different , storm shadow can sea skimm in its cruise phase but brahmos dont , yeah brahmos do sea skimming at only 3m but in terminal phase , around 15 to 20 km before target .
can do sea skimming in cruise phase then its range will drastically decrease

lol what? Give me once instance of solid proof that p800 oniks got intercepted and the proof of brahmos being intercepted by pakistan of all nations.

won't be intercepted before 2030.

 

[shade2]

lol what? Give me once instance of solid proof that p800 oniks got intercepted and the proof of brahmos being intercepted by pakistan of all nations.

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"Janab, proof tu social media per hy"

 

[snakeeyes07]

Not just one Paijaan but 7 were intercepted , 8 Rafales were also shot down and 6 S400s radars were destroyed



Janab Pakistan is so advanced as compared to this kuffar mulq, they have stealth mijjiles and we have Soviat era P-800 Oniks

You don't have to be this defensive on everything. I know from personal experience that Indian Armed Forces have the philosophy to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Thank god for that otherwise if they prepared for war with this kind of hubris, they can get surprised as wars are contingent.

In warfare, overestimating an enemy is bad but underestimating them is worst.

 

[shade2]

You don't have to be this defensive on everything. I know from personal experience that Indian Armed Forces have the philosophy to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Thank god for that otherwise if they prepared for war with this kind of hubris, they can get surprised as wars are contingent.

In warfare, overestimating an enemy is bad but underestimating them is worst.

Not intended at you, i just quoted your post because you added the pics of their wunderwaffe stealth missiles which the OP is doing rudali over

 

[snakeeyes07]

There were interceptions at Shorkot (PAF Rafiqui), no information on what missiles were involved(could be Scalp). There was no satellite imagery shared of PAF Rafiqui with hits. These were pretty late interceptions close to their base, it was touch and go.

View: https://x.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1920985950756499609

Jacobabad 1 was intercepted (last second when starting steep dive maneuver), could be a lucky hit by SPADA-2000

View: https://x.com/VigorousFalcon/status/1921940154979115435

The above are Pakistani OSINT posts but my point still stands.

is no mythical (un-interceptable missile), this is why it is being improved with NG (lower RCS) and faster Ramjet engine (~mach 4). Based on the videos, HQ-9BE were a failure against brahmos but their LOMADS (HQ16) or point defense (SPADA 2000) did score some kills at Shorkot & Jacobabad.

IAF launched limited attacks on these bases with IMO maximum of 4 brahmos ALCM each. IAF could have launched more missiles (given 40 modified SU30MKI) to saturate and overwhelm them even at Shorkot. I have not even brought IA brahmos SSM regiments into this.