Türkiye: News, Discussions & Updates.

[Ajatshatru]

It is funny when this comes from a guy from India that is using Russian technology in it's supersonic missile!! First try to get your freedom to produce your ( get free from Russian origin parts)!!

A country with a robust missile program will also have a strong space program, as both domains are closely interconnected. India, Russia, China, and the USA all have advanced space programs largely because of the investments they made in missile technology—and vice versa

 

[karn]

It is funny when this comes from a guy from India that is using Russian technology in it's supersonic missile!! First try to get your freedom to produce your ( get free from Russian origin parts)!!

Already exists .. A liquid fuel ramjet Indian missile has already flown ... there are many russian things we do not reproduce not because of ability but to honour the contract. All other parts of are already produced here.

 

[yasincsoy]

@yasincsoy The " Rize airport area" testing range seems to fire into the black sea .. If 1000km missiles are being tested does it not bother russia ? Does turkey have an agreement with russia for NOTAMS and information exchange for tests?

We are firing from that area through our western coast to watch the movement of the missile. We are not launching through Russia but through İstanbul along the black sea. In Sinop, there is many observation platforms that watch every move of the missile

 

[Azaad]

On a practical note subsonic terrain masking cruise missiles like the tomahawk are still useful . It is a feature that ITCM/nirbhay has not demonstrated. Hence my curiosity of a turkish missile testing range.

Says who ? ITCM has waypoint navigation which is literally flying while hugging the ground .That's terrain masking right there for you.

 

[Physx32]

This render will be ready physically in 2026 and be ready for first run by end of 2026.
Air force and engine producers(Tei, trmotor) are sure about success. Even air force request more things(like TVC etc ) after seeing how this project moves. TVC also will be ready in second variant of the engine.

So you're saying that by next year, you'll have a fully working 150 kN engine that's reliable (to modern standards) and ready to use?

And that engine is fully indigenous?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://x.com/er_tugay_/status/1924143590214689115

Turks are hilarious little shits when it comes to chest thumping. Let me tell you what they have very likely done here.


>They have been license producing the F110 for nearly 40 years, so they ripped off the twin spool architecture same to same.

>They are screwed at the compressor stage design part, because their metallurgy breakthroughs are far inferior to ours, forget shitting on China. So they can't even imitate the F110's stages. And I always take great offense when a turk tries to even compare their material science breakthroughs to ours. They are a generation behind.

>Turbine blades will be inferior to a 30 year old F110, because single crystal superalloy tech doesn't fall from the heavens. So they are using cheaper simpler materials here. Guaranteed reduction in thrust and compromised inlet aerodymics.

>Protective coating tech is 20 years behind us, again forget talking shit about China.

>They don't have the engineers to make a current gen FADEC. They'll have to beg the Brits for this one.

>Afterburner is total ripoff from F110. But with the aforementioned problems you'd see a 25-30% reduction in performance over a 145kN F110.

>They have very little first hand experience in researching material stress, extreme heat resistance, component vibrations, etc.

To sum it up, there are very little indigenous breakthroughs in this engine aside from the very poor attempts at reverse engineering an old engine. The WS-10 is a roll royce compared to what the turks are cooking here. For all the shit talk, they are nowhere near the tech that went into making the Kaveri Derivative. They'll make 110kN realistically with this big engine without over rating it and drastically reducing it's engine life, and shortening the overhaul intervals.

 

[yasincsoy]

A country with a robust missile program will also have a strong space program, as both domains are closely interconnected. India, Russia, China, and the USA all have advanced space programs largely because of the investments they made in missile technology—and vice versa

We have not given priority to ballistic missiles till 2005-2006, high precision platforms.
With technology, high precision also can be provided for long range missiles so we also decided to invest on this area. We get our first ballistic missile tech from china. But at that time, it was only for land forces (I mean up to 100-150 km rockets ). Later , when guidance systems improve we decided to go with bigger ranges after 2005.
We have plans to send our satellites to space hence we have space rocket projects as well by 3 companies separately, roketsan, Baykars space company and deltav

 

[Azaad]

It is funny when this comes from a guy from India that is using Russian technology in it's supersonic missile!! First try to get your freedom to produce your ( get free from Russian origin parts)!!

But where did we claim like you're literally claiming with every armament & platform you're developing or have inducted , here there & everywhere that the is a purely Indian creation ?

It's right there in the name - Brah ( from the river Brahmaputra in India ) + Mos ( from the river Moskova in Russia ). It's a 51:49 JV between India & Russia.

Besides there's the STAR supersonic missile on the verge of user trials which we'd be inducting shorty.

 

[karn]

Says who ? ITCM has waypoint navigation which is literally flying while hugging the ground .That's terrain masking right there for you.

This is just nitpicking but there has been no DRDO press release that says that this ability has been achieved.
And all test videos of the nirbhay have been from a jaguar peacefully escorting the missile at high altitude.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9rXuTk5rs&ab_channel=ShivAroor
And its not like this missile has entered service.

 

[yasincsoy]

So you're saying that by next year, you'll have a fully working 150 kN engine that's reliable (to modern standards) and ready to use?

And that engine is fully indigenous?

That engine will be ready for first run, not to be tested on aircraft. It will be ready in 2028-2029 to be tested on aircraft.with Ukrainian engineering support

 

[Ajatshatru]

We have not given priority to ballistic missiles till 2005-2006, high precision platforms.
With technology, high precision also can be provided for long range missiles so we also decided to invest on this area. We get our first ballistic missile tech from china. But at that time, it was only for land forces (I mean up to 100-150 km rockets ). Later , when guidance systems improve we decided to go with bigger ranges after 2005.
We have plans to send our satellites to space hence we have space rocket projects as well by 3 companies separately, roketsan, Baykars space company and deltav

India began investing in space research and its missile program in 1973. This was followed by American sanctions after India’s nuclear tests. The missile and space programs are not separate endeavors—they are both fundamentally rooted in rocket science.

 

[Azaad]

This is just nitpicking but there has been no DRDO press release that says that this ability has been achieved.
And all test videos of the nirbhay have been from a jaguar peacefully escorting the missile at high altitude.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9rXuTk5rs&ab_channel=ShivAroor
And its not like this missile has entered service.

India tests long-range cruise missile for precision-strike capabilities | India News - Times of India

India News: India tested ITCM with 1,000-km range from Chandipur. The missile's successful performance was monitored by various systems. It will be part of the In

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DRDO's stopped publicising missile tests for quite some time now .

 

[Ajatshatru]

That engine will be ready for first run, not to be tested on aircraft. It will be ready in 2028-2029 to be tested on aircraft.with Ukrainian engineering support

The Indian Kaveri engine was originally expected to be ready in nine years with a wet thrust of 76 kN. However, by the time it reached that thrust level, the thrust requirement for the Tejas had already increased to 90 kN. As a result, India decided to repurpose the Kaveri engine for use in heavy drones and launch a new engine program from scratch to develop a 110 kN thrust engine for fighter jets. I’m not belittling Turkey’s efforts—pursuing such goals is always commendable—but the timeline is ambitious. Only time will tell how much can realistically be achieved within it. Even France, a country with established jet engine technology, took 15 years to develop the M88 engine.

 

[karn]

DRDO's stopped publicising missile tests for quite some time now .

And after OP Sindoor I understand why.

 

[yasincsoy]

Turks are hilarious little shits when it comes to chest thumping. Let me tell you what they have very likely done here.
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>They have been license producing the F110 for nearly 40 years, so they ripped off the twin spool architecture same to same.

>They are screwed at the compressor stage design part, because their metallurgy breakthroughs are far inferior to ours, forget shitting on China. So they can't even imitate the F110's stages. And I always take great offense when a turk tries to even compare their material science breakthroughs to ours. They are a generation behind.

>Turbine blades will be inferior to a 30 year old F110, because single crystal superalloy tech doesn't fall from the heavens. So they are using cheaper simpler materials here. Guaranteed reduction in thrust and compromised inlet aerodymics.

>Protective coating tech is 20 years behind us, again forget talking shit about China.

>They don't have the engineers to make a current gen FADEC. They'll have to beg the Brits for this one.

>Afterburner is total ripoff from F110. But with the aforementioned problems you'd see a 25-30% reduction in performance over a 145kN F110.

>They have very little first hand experience in researching material stress, extreme heat resistance, component vibrations, etc.

To sum it up, there are very little indigenous breakthroughs in this engine aside from the very poor attempts at reverse engineering an old engine. The WS-10 is a roll royce compared to what the turks are cooking here. For all the shit talk, they are nowhere near the tech that went into making the Kaveri Derivative. They'll make 110kN realistically with this big engine without over rating it and drastically reducing it's engine life, and shortening the overhaul intervals.

Just puhahah,

You are no where near Türkiye in terms of engine technology eventhough you have spent decades!!
Türkiye has Technology to produce military turbofan on its own since 2017!! I mean in terms of design and production of every part!!
Türkiye has single crystal turbine blade tech since 2017!! It achieved third generation single crystal blade tech in 2021!!
We are producing more than 60 percent of f-110 engine!! We are producing most critical parts of civilian engines including CFM leap. Totally more than 50 percent of whole leap engine!
We had blisk spool tech since 2008!!
With our first single crystal blades we have produced ts1400 which is almost in serial production just waiting final procedures for civilian certificates.
We tested tf6000 last year and maturing tests going on. Tf10000 which is after burner variant of tf6000 will be tested this year.
Moreover, not just Tei but also bakar makina also will produce 20k pounds engine with the help of Ukrainians in 2028-2029!!
You may request your engine for amca from baykar makina!!

 

[Physx32]

That engine will be ready for first run, not to be tested on aircraft. It will be ready in 2028-2029 to be tested on aircraft.with Ukrainian engineering support

Has TEI finished the development of the FADEC to be used? FYI, it took China 20 years to build its own FADEC. A similar amount of time was required by us to.

So do you really believe that these two countries are idiots that they spent 2 decades on designing just the control system of the turbofan?

Edit: Regarding the Ukrainian support, their best engines have TET of 1600 K. Good luck with that!

 

[Ajatshatru]

Just puhahah,

You are no where near Türkiye in terms of engine technology eventhough you have spent decades!!
Türkiye has Technology to produce military turbofan on its own since 2017!! I mean in terms of design and production of every part!!
Türkiye has single crystal turbine blade tech since 2017!! It achieved third generation single crystal blade tech in 2021!!
We are producing more than 60 percent of f-110 engine!! We are producing most critical parts of civilian engines including CFM leap. Totally more than 50 percent of whole leap engine!
We had blisk spool tech since 2008!!
With our first single crystal blades we have produced ts1400 which is almost in serial production just waiting final procedures for civilian certificates.
We tested tf6000 last year and maturing tests going on. Tf10000 which is after burner variant of tf6000 will be tested this year.
Moreover, not just Tei but also bakar makina also will produce 20k pounds engine with the help of Ukrainians in 2028-2029!!
You may request your engine for amca from baykar makina!!

Developing a turbofan engine from scratch typically takes 30 to 40 years—you can look at any country that has done it. India is no exception, and neither is Turkey. In fact, designing an engine to fit an existing aircraft is an even greater challenge; it’s relatively more straightforward to develop an aircraft around a pre-existing engine.

 

[yasincsoy]

The Indian Kaveri engine was originally expected to be ready in nine years with a wet thrust of 76 kN. However, by the time it reached that thrust level, the thrust requirement for the Tejas had already increased to 90 kN. As a result, India decided to repurpose the Kaveri engine for use in heavy drones and launch a new engine program from scratch to develop a 110 kN thrust engine for fighter jets. I’m not belittling Turkey’s efforts—pursuing such goals is always commendable—but the timeline is ambitious. Only time will tell how much can realistically be achieved within it. Even France, a country with established jet engine technology, took 15 years to develop the M88 engine.

The technology and calculation methods are limitless now. Can not be compared to past. Additionally, many new technologies exist now which was not possible at that times.
For our ts1400 project, Tei aimed to get a replacement engine for atak helicopter which needs 1280-1300 shp. Tei even passed 1400 shp ,way more than it's original aim.
Same is true for tf6000 project. Tei cep mentioned that ,even at first run they have seen that engine almost reached more than 60 percent of aimed thrust. With maturing ,he said it will be so easy to reach 6000 pounds force. He also added, they used first gen single crystal turbines on first poptotype tf6000. With third gen Single crystal turbines it may reach maybe 15-20 percent more thrust than first plan.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Just puhahah,

You are no where near Türkiye in terms of engine technology eventhough you have spent decades!!
Türkiye has Technology to produce military turbofan on its own since 2017!! I mean in terms of design and production of every part!!
Türkiye has single crystal turbine blade tech since 2017!! It achieved third generation single crystal blade tech in 2021!!
We are producing more than 60 percent of f-110 engine!! We are producing most critical parts of civilian engines including CFM leap. Totally more than 50 percent of whole leap engine!
We had blisk spool tech since 2008!!
With our first single crystal blades we have produced ts1400 which is almost in serial production just waiting final procedures for civilian certificates.
We tested tf6000 last year and maturing tests going on. Tf10000 which is after burner variant of tf6000 will be tested this year.
Moreover, not just Tei but also bakar makina also will produce 20k pounds engine with the help of Ukrainians in 2028-2029!!
You may request your engine for amca from baykar makina!!

What absolute fucking garbage. Your peak is that ukrainian shitbox you put inside your kizilema, that wouldn't even pass ground trials here. You have designed and achieved fucking jack shit. Listen come back when you actually made something that exceeds our industrial breakthroughs. And don't fucking thump your chest for license producing bits and pieces of engines. It doesn't make you a master of the tech. All you blabber here is nonsense cope. We're not idiots here. Maybe in your recurring dreams you have magically exceeded the tech level of the F110. But this is the reality. Do you know why our engine hasn't materialized already ? because what goes for an advanced engine in your shithole, won't even pass inspection here. And for the last time stop yapping about being superior in metallurgy, your gaslighting is so disgusting it's baffling how you even type this shit without a troll face.​

 

[Azaad]

Just puhahah,

You are no where near Türkiye in terms of engine technology eventhough you have spent decades!!
Türkiye has Technology to produce military turbofan on its own since 2017!! I mean in terms of design and production of every part!!
Türkiye has single crystal turbine blade tech since 2017!! It achieved third generation single crystal blade tech in 2021!!
We are producing more than 60 percent of f-110 engine!! We are producing most critical parts of civilian engines including CFM leap. Totally more than 50 percent of whole leap engine!
We had blisk spool tech since 2008!!
With our first single crystal blades we have produced ts1400 which is almost in serial production just waiting final procedures for civilian certificates.
We tested tf6000 last year and maturing tests going on. Tf10000 which is after burner variant of tf6000 will be tested this year.
Moreover, not just Tei but also bakar makina also will produce 20k pounds engine with the help of Ukrainians in 2028-2029!!
You may request your engine for amca from baykar makina!!

Yo Mehmet ! Unlike others here I believe the KAAN will fly one day with an "indigenous " Turbo Fan . Now whether both the Fighter Aircraft & Turbo Fan meet 5th Gen universally accepted definitions depends on whether you're the original Oghuz Turks you claim you are .

I mean I can claim I'm a Scandinavian . After all there's no patent on the name. The problem arises when I board a plane & demand to be let into a Scandinavian country just because I claim to be Scandinavian. See what I mean.

Alhamdulillah !