UFO/UAP Alien Phenomena Thread

[Mangal]

The primary onus of providing empirical, verifiable proof of greys and UFO lies on pop sci fi UFO believers like you. Mine is just one of the many speculations. And yes its DS/SD/WH conspiracy because right its the only country in world where govt seems to officially fanning this fluff. Who knows they might be testing how a lie can be spread and preptuated for long.

I wonder what kind of elitist mindset is this to ask all sorts of questions and hold every one responsible but don't bother to provide any proof of absurd theories that you yourself come up with.
Sorry buddy this can't be a one way traffic.
I have already given you the example of congressional hearing along with the profile of witnesses. I have also shared with you the incidents that happened in countries other than US. It's time you prove your theory to get something out of me. You are not senator/ DM/ Rajya sabha MP that you keep on seeking proofs and keep on rejecting everything that has been presented infront of you. You need to ditch the elitist mindset to have any sort of reasonable discussion.

 

[Anants]

I wonder what kind of elitist mindset is this to ask all sorts of questions and hold every one responsible but don't bother to provide any proof of absurd theories that you yourself come up with.
Sorry buddy this can't be a one way traffic.
I have already given you the example of congressional hearing along with the profile of witnesses. I have also shared with you the incidents that happened in countries other than US. It's time you prove your theory to get something out of me. You are not senator/ DM/ Rajya sabha MP that you keep on seeking proofs and keep on rejecting everything that has been presented infront of you. You need to ditch the elitist mindset to have any sort of reasonable discussion.

au contraire mon ami I tend to believe what my country's parliament, scientists and forces say and not what US senetors say. These same US senetors were testifying against Indian Govt in favor of Kashmiri, Evangelists and Khalistanis not long ago.
When IAF presented electrnic proof of F16 downing - we were told by same west that they are unreliable or falsified. Why should I buy hook line and sinker what US gov dishes out when rest of non western world shares its skceptism?

 

[Mangal]

au contraire mon ami I tend to believe what my country's parliament, scientists and forces say and not what US senetors say. These same US senetors were testifying against Indian Govt in favor of Kashmiri, Evangelists and Khalistanis not long ago.
When IAF presented electrnic proof of F16 downing - we were told by same west that they are unreliable or falsified. Why should I buy hook line and sinker what US gov dishes out when rest of non western world shares its skceptism?

Was it a spy drone from across the border? Was it a weather balloon? Was it a UFO?

A UFO was spotted at Samudra Tapu, a de-glaciated valley in Himachal Pradesh. More than a year after it was first sighted in 2005, the authorities are nowhere close to solving this Himalayan riddle.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Anants]

Indian scientist spots UFO | India News - Times of India

India News: AHMEDABAD: A geologist team enroute Himalaya and an encounter of a third kind. Believe it or not!

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Was it a spy drone from across the border? Was it a weather balloon? Was it a UFO?

A UFO was spotted at Samudra Tapu, a de-glaciated valley in Himachal Pradesh. More than a year after it was first sighted in 2005, the authorities are nowhere close to solving this Himalayan riddle.

www.indiatoday.in

And like good scientists they were also sceptic if it was a helium filled balloon or something else - which is valid. Even on Nathu La our forces saw balloon shaped UFOs. Later we found an F22 also shot a Chinese UFO. So who knows what they saw. Even scientists cant confirm what they saw - so when they cant confirm why are we concluding what they saw?

 

[Mangal]

And like good scientists they were also sceptic if it was a helium filled balloon or something else - which is valid. Even on Nathu La our forces saw balloon shaped UFOs. Later we found an F22 also shot a Chinese UFO. So who knows what they saw. Even scientists cant confirm what they saw - so when they cant confirm why are we concluding what they saw?

Why quote selectively. Here are some excerpts from parra directly coming from scientists.

The oblong object, between 3 and 4 ft high, kept moving down the slope towards the team. It had a cylindrical head with two balloon-type attachments, a body, hands and two legs. It seemed to be walking, planting and pacing its steps like a human being, recalls Dhar.

its colour had changed to black. Soon it changed to white again, hovered above the camp for five minutes before noiselessly receding into a white dot in the sky.
The object manoeuvred on ground and air defying gravity and wind direction, negotiated terrain, changed colour and took of vertically the most challenging aspect of aviation technology. (Refer to screenshot from the same report)

And these are words of scientists. And you want me to believe that a helium baloon at 14000 feet did that. Really?

 

[Nutcracker]

Why quote selectively. Here are some excerpts from parra directly coming from scientists.

The oblong object, between 3 and 4 ft high, kept moving down the slope towards the team. It had a cylindrical head with two balloon-type attachments, a body, hands and two legs. It seemed to be walking, planting and pacing its steps like a human being, recalls Dhar.

its colour had changed to black. Soon it changed to white again, hovered above the camp for five minutes before noiselessly receding into a white dot in the sky.
The object manoeuvred on ground and air defying gravity and wind direction, negotiated terrain, changed colour and took of vertically the most challenging aspect of aviation technology. (Refer to screenshot from the same report)

And these are words of scientists. And you want me to believe that a helium baloon at 14000 feet did that. Really?

Same article said it was floating. .
It can't even be consistent for 2 paragraphs.

Anil Kulkarni, a senior ISRO scientist who has been mapping glaciers for a quarter century, and his team members saw what appeared to be a robot floating a few inches above the ground, approaching the camp along the mountain slope. Kulkarni and his co-researcher, geologist Sunil Dhar, pulled out their digital cameras and began shooting the object even as the team raced towards the mountain to investigate.

These so called scientists will yap whatever they want to gain some fame and appear on primeTime news.
These clowns had digital camera, they would've spread full HD quality image on internet if they believed was real alien craft. Keeping things hazy benefits the liar.

 

[Mangal]

Now scientists are corrupt.
My way or highway.

 

[Nutcracker]

Now scientists are corrupt.
My way or highway.

Zero empirical evidence means Zero credibility, whoever they might be.

 

[Anants]

Thanks to @ezsasa I am reposting what ezsasa posted. The reason why US should not be trusted


View: https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1868138972200739148?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1868138972200739148%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 

[Mangal]

Thanks to @ezsasa I am reposting what ezsasa posted. The reason why US should not be trusted


View: https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1868138972200739148?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1868138972200739148%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

He is captalist and probably corrupt. He can't be trusted. Please share audio or video recording of the meeting. What's the proof that such a meeting ever happened?

 

[Airborne22]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/s/oOW7aW1vkI
not your regular

 

[ezsasa]

He is captalist and probably corrupt. He can't be trusted. Please share audio or video recording of the meeting. What's the proof that such a meeting ever happened?

Jul 2023

The White House and big tech companies release commitments on managing AI​

View: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1188831773/the-white-house-and-big-tech-companies-release-commitments-on-managing-ai

Oct 2023​

FACT SHEET: President Biden Issues Executive Order on Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Artificial Intelligence​

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...cure-and-trustworthy-artificial-intelligence/

The Stifling Potential of Biden’s Executive Order on AI​

https://mjlst.lib.umn.edu/2024/04/01/the-stifling-potential-of-bidens-executive-order-on-ai/

AI Companies Building ‘Most Powerful’ Models Must Inform Feds, Biden Executive Order States​

AI Companies Building ‘Most Powerful’ Models Must Inform Feds, Biden Executive Order States

President Biden's wide-ranging executive order on AI aims to curtail some risks to the public while supporting companies.

www.vice.com

 

[The Juggernaut]

Somehow UFO sightings is phenomenon of USA /UK. While majority people live in Asia, there are not lot of sight seeing.

 

[Mangal]

Jul 2023

The White House and big tech companies release commitments on managing AI​

View: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1188831773/the-white-house-and-big-tech-companies-release-commitments-on-managing-ai

Oct 2023​

FACT SHEET: President Biden Issues Executive Order on Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Artificial Intelligence​

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...cure-and-trustworthy-artificial-intelligence/

The Stifling Potential of Biden’s Executive Order on AI​

https://mjlst.lib.umn.edu/2024/04/01/the-stifling-potential-of-bidens-executive-order-on-ai/

AI Companies Building ‘Most Powerful’ Models Must Inform Feds, Biden Executive Order States​

AI Companies Building ‘Most Powerful’ Models Must Inform Feds, Biden Executive Order States

President Biden's wide-ranging executive order on AI aims to curtail some risks to the public while supporting companies.

www.vice.com

Any government tries to control and use the new technology for social welfare and also to keep an hold on its misuse. This happened in past with print and electronic media and with SM and in future they might try with AI.
For a shrewd greedy businessmen that's something that hinders his profits.
He will build all the negative narrative he can. So why should I trust whatever he is saying?
Secondly and importantly, as per his narrative US deep state removed large part of physics from public in US.
But what's more amazing is they managed to do that in Soviet union, China, Egypt, Cuba, India and every other country on this planet (NATO or non NATO). That's amazing.
I don't believe that. Doesn't makes sense an infact it's outrageous.

 

[ezsasa]

Any government tries to control and use the new technology for social welfare and also to keep an hold on its misuse. This happened in past with print and electronic media and with SM and in future they might try with AI.
For a shrewd greedy businessmen that's something that hinders his profits.
He will build all the negative narrative he can. So why should I trust whatever he is saying?
Secondly and importantly, as per his narrative US deep state removed large part of physics from public in US.
But what's more amazing is they managed to do that in Soviet union, China, Egypt, Cuba, India and every other country on this planet (NATO or non NATO). That's amazing.
I don't believe that. Doesn't makes sense an infact it's outrageous.

sure, murican system encourages shrewd greedy businessmen to prosper. there is no obligation on your part to trust him.

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as per his narrative US deep state removed large part of physics from public in US.

he is exact quote is

during cold war, we classified entire areas of physics from research community, took them out of research community, and entire branches of physics went dark

U.S and great powers during cold war putting areas of science under classified category is a historical fact. a few examples are areas of nuclear physics which they felt could lead to weaponisation , chemical and biological weapons. these areas are classified to this day.

we can also infer, U.S govt at strategic level is treating parts of AI tech on par with power of tech related to nuclear weapon.

ofcourse, there is no obligation on your part to accept this inference as well.

 

[Anants]

sure, murican system encourages shrewd greedy businessmen to prosper. there is no obligation on your part to trust him.

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he is exact quote is


U.S and great powers during cold war putting areas of science under classified category is a historical fact. a few examples are areas of nuclear physics which they felt could lead to weaponisation , chemical and biological weapons. these areas are classified to this day.

we can also infer, U.S govt at strategic level is treating parts of AI tech on par with power of tech related to nuclear weapon.

ofcourse, there is no obligation on your part to accept this inference as well.

And restricted Physics and engineering is still practiced by US and other powers. Like metallurgical know how, forging processes, fluid dynamic simulation, Extreme wavelength lasers etc..

Infact look how US is in process of banning tik tok as byte dance refuse to sell nor share its algos. Here in India we even being largest market for US social and search companies we could not even force them for data localizations.

 

[Mangal]

sure, murican system encourages shrewd greedy businessmen to prosper. there is no obligation on your part to trust him.

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he is exact quote is


U.S and great powers during cold war putting areas of science under classified category is a historical fact. a few examples are areas of nuclear physics which they felt could lead to weaponisation , chemical and biological weapons. these areas are classified to this day.

we can also infer, U.S govt at strategic level is treating parts of AI tech on par with power of tech related to nuclear weapon.

ofcourse, there is no obligation on your part to accept this inference as well.

I believe the point here being made by you and Anant is, that US removed or classified parts of physics which could have led to creating machines that could reach 1000 G in matters of seconds. That's the argument being made for what people are seeing in skies of western hemisphere.
I don't believe in complecting statements. So my argument is how did the US deep state manage to do that in other countries especially the ones which were anti US and NATO and even in NAM countries. Rouge nations like NK would have decimated it adverseries if that was the case. So I don't agree with you both on this.
Believing that US somehow has secret crafts that can achieve 1000 or more G, dive deep in ocean and with hundreds of knots speed is as unbelievable to me as alien visitation to you all is. Offcourse you can believe what ever you want on this matter. You and me both have no obligations.

 

[ezsasa]

I believe the point here being made by you and Anant is, that US removed or classified parts of physics which could have led to creating machines that could reach 1000 G in matters of seconds.

carry on with your UFO discussion, i stepped in to clarify a limited point related to a post of mine.