Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[deathmonger]

I am far happier with Modis response to Pehelgam than I was with Uri.
India is not an aggressive power, so India doesn't understand how to aggress.
We simply see what murrica does and try to cut paste it.
When murrica wants to teach xyz a lesson, they bomb the heck outta them, so we cut pasted for balakot.
But we forgot the one big rule of war: NEVER FIGHT YOUR ENEMY AT THAT WHICH HE IS GOOD IN.

Usa doesn't get into door to door gun battles with jihadis: because that is where gap between US army and jihadi is the smallest.
Usa with 5000+ fighter jets instead Bombs people with no air force.

But we forgot that axiom for balakot: When IAF goes up against PAF, we are fighting them at their strength.

Now what we are doing is posture war - which is logistics and paisaa war - which is our strength and Paki weakness.

So despite all the "kuch nahi hoga" , " I want Pakistan to turn into a sea" type of shock and awe demands/disappointments, I see our response as having adapted from 2019, improved and already doing more damage than balakot.
Pakistan is a joke of a military. They are nepotistic, corrupt and lose every war they fight. Make them remain in war ready mode and they will automatically suffer from more equipment failure, desertion, friendly fire etc than we did to them directly in balakot.

Modi gormint has learnt that balakot was more a morale and dikhaawaa action than hurting the enemy action and this is the exact opposite : It looks like we are doing nothing but already we have cost Pakis more heartaches posture war than a bombing run

Yup. Keep it hot.

Use BLA/TTP/unknown gunmen.

PTI can be an asset as well.

 

[Azaad]

A demonic part of me almost yearns for the scenario: they launch a single nuclear strike—and in response, we erase their existence, with a few salvos directed toward Bangladesh as well.This will significantly reduce the M population in the subcontinent and we'll have only local M population to deal with, Solving centuries old problem once for all.

This is actually a long wished desire of mine too except today's not the time for it . Consider this - the way Paxtan's going it's bound to break up . However that doesn't improve our security situation , it further complicates it.

If Afghanistan extends to what's today Paxtani Punjab borders , there's a very slim buffer. Today's enemies could be tomorrow's friends or the situation could become so fluid you really can't tell what's going on .

What you can tell with certainty though is you'd be faced by a whole mass of jihadis with the mean demographic being ~ 25 with no jobs , water scarcity , depleting agriculture , narco terrorism , an economy down the drain , plenty of weapons in pvt hands & an equal number of drones with no central authority worth the name , an amorphous state whose writ runs in extremely limited areas & criminal syndicates masquerading as Jihadi tanzeems ruling the roost.

How do you tackle them ? For all our misgivings we can kick Fauji Foundation in their nuts or backside today & ensure good behaviour for some time. With no central authority in these successor states we'd spend most of our days disciplining one group after another.

Hence it's best we eliminate Paxtan once and for all , a project we should seriously take up once the China problem is dealt with for next decade I foresee the following -

In a Sino US war , whoever wins will win a Pyrrhic victory. I fully expect the US to win this one but its expeditionary force in the USMC , the USN & USAF will be so damaged it'd take them decades to get to today's standards assuming they've the wherewithal & will power to do so which I don't think they will .

For starters , the USD won't be the reserve currency of a lot of nations once the war is over & the US considerably weakened . Bullion will return in a very big way. A failing economy will exacerbate social & political chasms in the US . In short they will be too absorbed in their own internal affairs.

If China loses they split into 3-4 nations much like the former USSR.

Japan , the Korean peninsula , Taiwan & Philippines will end up as wastelands as will the eastern & southern coastal China. If N weapons are used I mostly expect it to be in the Korea peninsula.

Europe will face a renewed Russia assuming the current conflict results in a CF in a year or so. While I don't see Russia winning the second war of Ukraine , they'd likely tank the EU's economy from where recovery will be next to impossible.

To make matters worse , the Europeans will have to deal with the Islamic hordes they imported wholesale. Add a rapidly plummeting TFR to this mix across Russia & the EU & you can see for yourself where this one is going .

With the rise of EV tech & alternative energy sources Oil & Natural Gas lose their position as premier commodity items & with that the Gulf Sheikhdoms lose their influence . That would be after the Iran problem has been dealt with .

In short the world in the 2030s would be very conducive for us to take care of this 1400 year old problem once & for all beginning with Paxtan , later Malaun lungi desh & then the original Paxtanis at home provided we play our cards right.

Hopefully we've a wise determined tenacious fierce leadership uncompromisingly adherent to the tenets of Hindutva at the helm then for if we don't , we risk getting caught up in the middle , not knowing how to act.

Hopefully Paxtan survives intact till then & Fauji Foundation known for its foolhardiness makes its final gamble with a N weapon or 2 & we wipe them out from the face of the earth down to a man.

 

[shade2]

This is actually a long wished desire of mine too except today's not the time for it . Consider this - the way Paxtan's going it's bound to break up . However that doesn't improve our security situation , it further complicates it.

If Afghanistan extends to what's today Paxtani Punjab borders , there's a very slim buffer. Today's enemies could be tomorrow's friends or the situation could become so fluid you really can't tell what's going on .

What you can tell with certainty though is you'd be faced by a whole mass of jihadis with the mean demographic being ~ 25 with no jobs , water scarcity , depleting agriculture , narco terrorism , an economy down the drain , plenty of weapons in pvt hands & an equal number of drones with no central authority worth the name , an amorphous state whose writ runs in extremely limited areas & criminal syndicates masquerading as Jihadi tanzeems ruling the roost.

How do you tackle them ? For all our misgivings we can kick Fauji Foundation in their nuts or backside today & ensure good behaviour for some time. With no central authority in these successor states we'd spend most of our days disciplining one group after another.

Hence it's best we eliminate Paxtan once and for all , a project we should seriously take up once the China problem is dealt with for next decade I foresee the following -

In a Sino US war , whoever wins will win a Pyrrhic victory. I fully expect the US to win this one but its expeditionary force in the USMC , the USN & USAF will be so damaged it'd take them decades to get to today's standards assuming they've the wherewithal & will power to do so which I don't think they will .

For starters , the USD won't be the reserve currency of a lot of nations once the war is over & the US considerably weakened . Bullion will return in a very big way. A failing economy will exacerbate social & political chasms in the US . In short they will be too absorbed in their own internal affairs.

If China loses they split into 3-4 nations much like the former USSR.

Japan , the Korean peninsula , Taiwan & Philippines will end up as wastelands as will the eastern & southern coastal China. If N weapons are used I mostly expect it to be in the Korea peninsula.

Europe will face a renewed Russia assuming the current conflict results in a CF in a year or so. While I don't see Russia winning the second war of Ukraine , they'd likely tank the EU's economy from where recovery will be next to impossible.

To make matters worse , the Europeans will have to deal with the Islamic hordes they imported wholesale. Add a rapidly plummeting TFR to this mix across Russia & the EU & you can see for yourself where this one is going .

With the rise of EV tech & alternative energy sources Oil & Natural Gas lose their position as premier commodity items & with that the Gulf Sheikhdoms lose their influence . That would be after the Iran problem has been dealt with .

In short the world in the 2030s would be very conducive for us to take care of this 1400 year old problem once & for all beginning with Paxtan , later Malaun lungi desh & then the original Paxtanis at home provided we play our cards right.

Hopefully we've a wise determined tenacious fierce leadership uncompromisingly adherent to the tenets of Hindutva at the helm then for if we don't , we risk getting caught up in the middle , not knowing how to act.

Hopefully Paxtan survives intact till then & Fauji Foundation known for its foolhardiness makes its final gamble with a N weapon or 2 & we wipe them out from the face of the earth down to a man.

In the build up of the final solution to the napaki problem, the people have to be deprogrammed from the current Sekoolar and Aman Ka Tamasha memes

#NotAllGreens etc need to be purged from the public's software, shatrubodh needs to be installed instead.

If possible the domestic greens also need to be deprogrammed via the Soviet or Turkish methods.

 

[Varzone]

This is the problem with the >"wait till we reach $10 trillion economy you hindu-hater bloody abdul congressi, then we will bang bakistan!" argument

It can go on ad infinitum, no large ekanami will ever be enough, today those who use the ekanami argument can even use it when their hair is white and skin is wrinkled.

OTOH you have the neighboring green shithole, destitution and kangali never stops their continuous g*ndmasti via terrorism.

It's really where as a state your priorities lie, someone's priority is death by a thousand cuts and doing damage to the kuffar at the cost of eating grass, someone else's priority is dhandho at all costs above the hundreds of corpses of soldiers and civvies killed by terrorists.

You can’t expect with dhandu gujju mentality to take the decisions you or I would take.

All they care about is money and economy while Pappu Lappu in Bihar/UP are exasperatedly awaiting some huge response.

After we reach 10 trillion they’ll say that due to inflation it is only 7 and we need to go for 3 more…it never ends. The question itself arises because of poor genetic slave material which are our babus here and elsewhere. Not a shred of self respect.

 

[deathmonger]

Also in this fog of war etc I hope Indian govt is working on the IWT stuff - make small dams here and there, raise capacities etc. That is a far more significant thing.

 

[Varzone]

Lot of cope in the chat because nothing happened. Now suddenly they want to take BLA/Taliban credit for human loss in Pakistan. This is a new low, I won’t even comment on people talking about giving Tejas/AMCA to Afgh….what a strange low quality thought when we ourselves won’t be sufficient for decades to come….kicking the can down the street….keep yourself deluded but don’t insult us over here.

Half of you lot aren’t even worth siting on the same table as mine.

 

[deathmonger]

Lot of cope in the chat because nothing happened. Now suddenly they want to take BLA/Talivan credit for human loss in Pakistan.

Half of you lot aren’t even worth siting on the same table as mine.

Man, this ain't some video game.

What do you want us to do? Invade Pak?

BLA/TTP have Indian support - that's for sure, not to ISI extent but to deny it would be foolish.

 

[Varzone]

Man, this ain't some video game.

What do you want us to do? Invade Pak?

BLA/TTP have Indian support - that's for sure, not to ISI extent but to deny it would be foolish.

Looks like a video game only where Indians die and we take not action…I just want to escape this country, can’t live among this.

 

[jaishrikrishna]

Pakistan and Indian Retaliation

If unconfirmed reports are accurate then backchannel talks between India and Pakistan may be underway, leading India to delay any retaliatory action for a week or so.

These talks are likely the result of stern warnings from U.S. sources to Pakistan, making it clear that terrorism will not be tolerated and that any nuclear threats or use would prompt U.S. intervention. This has seemingly cooled the aggressive posture previously adopted by the Pakistani establishment. Moreover falsified narrative of no Pakistani narrative did not help.

Even Bilawal Bhutto, the former foreign minister and scion of a prominent political family, recently made a surprisingly conciliatory statement, indirectly acknowledging past support for terror groups targeting India—a stance also echoed by Pakistan’s current Defence Minister.

Initially slow to respond, global leaders have since condemned the brutal terror attack as more details emerged, voicing support for India.

If reports are to be believed, the U.S. has effectively neutralized Pakistan’s long-standing nuclear threat, a deterrent it has leaned on for the past 25 years. Even China, its primary ally, is unlikely to support any nuclear escalation. With limited options—either risk another conventional military defeat amid economic collapse or negotiate via backchannels—Pakistan may be opting for damage control.

India may demand the arrest and extradition of those behind the attack, including state-supported masterminds operating from Pakistani soil. Whether that demand will be met remains to be seen.

The timing of the attack, coinciding with the U.S. Vice President’s visit to India, reportedly caused strong disapproval. U.S. officials, including the Secretary of State and National Security Advisor, have shown no sympathy for Pakistan’s position.

All of this may have led to the collapse of Pakistan’s bravado and the beginning of backchannel diplomacy. If India’s core demand—justice for the attack—is fulfilled, a retaliatory strike may be averted.

Most bullshit i have read since the attack. What justice. There will be no justice. The perperatora will remain free and they will plan and even bigger attack.


And with whom will we do diplomacy? The perpetrators of this ghastly attack?

 

[sea-gain]

This thread is a good example of how our beaurocrats & politicians think.

1. Economy need to reach 10 trillions
2. we have more to loose
3. what will happen if porkis use Nukes ( as if they are gilli danda )
4. too much risk .
5. porkis have better airforce and Our despite spending billions of dollar on new toys are still not capable enough.
6. Our Air force do not have enough stregth for 2 front war .
7. US have ejacualted in between Us and porkis
8. Porkis are talking softer now
9. bla bla bla

BC , we cannot control Kanglu's who can barely afford a proper pyjama and talking of a being vishwa guru..


sorry.. intend is compromised from the onset with too many ifs and buts ...let us accept it and move on...

 

[deathmonger]

If the China factor wasn't there, I would be in support of invading Pak but it is.

And the US is not our ally to the extent that China is for Pak.

Even in Pahalgam, Chinese tech was used.

 

[deathmonger]

This thread is a good example of how our beaurocrats & politicians think.

1. Economy need to reach 10 trillions
2. we have more to loose
3. what will happen if porkis use Nukes ( as if they are gilli danda )
4. too much risk .
5. porkis have better airforce and Our despite spending billions of dollar on new toys are still not capable enough.
6. Our Air force do not have enough stregth for 2 front war .
7. US have ejacualted in between Us and porkis
8. Porkis are talking softer now
9. bla bla bla

BC , we cannot control Kanglu's who can barely afford a proper pyjama and talking of a being vishwa guru..


sorry.. intend is compromised from the onset with too many ifs and buts ...let us accept it and move on...

What should we do then?

Attack Pak?

What if China start interfering? They have 200+ J-20s and 300+ Rafale equivalents with the industrial capacity to build more rapidly. We can fight those with our 36 Rafales?

Will USA come to our aid?

 

[sea-gain]

If the China factor wasn't there, I would be in support of invading Pak but it is.

And the US is not our ally to the extent that China is for Pak.

Even in Pahalgam, Chinese tech was used.

you are implying as if we were banging porkis daily since 47 and now we have chinese angle.. we cannot...

common.. China is struggling themselves and have their eyes set on taiwan.. porkis are chinese slaves and they will surely protect their own flock before porkis ...

 

[Varzone]

Vietnam had just come out of U.S. invasion and yet knocked China back.

Don’t know what fear China has over these people but useful to stop people asking questions.

 

[deathmonger]

you are implying as if we were banging porkis daily since 47 and now we have chinese angle.. we cannot...

common.. China is struggling themselves and have their eyes set on taiwan.. porkis are chinese slaves and they will surely protect their own flock before porkis ...

Point is they can support Pakistan indefinitely.

Chinese might have their issues but they have huge military industrial complex and can support Pak indirectly.

71 we broke them down easily.

 

[sea-gain]

What should we do then?

Attack Pak?

What if China start interfering? They have 200+ J-20s and 300+ Rafale equivalents with the industrial capacity to build more rapidly. We can fight those with our 36 Rafales?

Will USA come to our aid?

you lost the argument the moment u added that IF part.

Rather why wud china interfere in a limited war between us and porkis ..

 

[deathmonger]

Vietnam had just come out of U.S. invasion and yet knocked China back.

Don’t know what fear China has over these people but useful to stop people asking questions.

That third world China is not the same as this China.

China is super hi-tech now.

 

[deathmonger]

Hum bhi aatmi taakat hai-- Bhoolo mat !

No atom bombs will be used but without China we could have engaged in a limited war w/o much loss.

 

[sea-gain]

Point is they can support Pakistan indefinitely.

Chinese might have their issues but they have huge military industrial complex and can support Pak indirectly.

71 we broke them down easily.

why wud china support porkis and what porkis can offer to chinain return to letting them use their MIC...all we need to do is keep the conflict limited not harming chinese interests ..in pork land

 

[Varzone]

People should stop using 60s wars to define current situations

You still need people on the ground to occupy land. Leave it, we can’t fight poor destitute Pakistan why do we bring in China all the time?

India will need to bury 3 generations before quality population replaces the weak and slavery accustomed populace.