Operation Sindoor

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Tridev123 said:
A idea up for discussion.
Usually in SEAD operations the ground based radars are the top priority.
Destroy all enemy high capacity radars.

Once the radars have been destroyed, the accompanying SAM's become almost orphans. Yes, many SAM's have seekers but you need to first aim the missile in the general direction of the intruding aircraft or missile. The on-board seeker can then try to get a fix if it manages to get close enough to the target.

Without the radar systems SAM's may well become useless.

Now in order to minimise the vulnerability of SAM's why not store the missiles in underground hardened shelters with sliding steel doors. Blast proof. Of course a really powerful conventional or nuclear blast can damage even the hardened shelters.

Now is it technically impossible for a airborne radar like the AWACS with 360 degrees scan, track etc capability to take control of an SAM missile which is fired vertically up from an underground launch pad and then guide the missile to the target. It can probably work for at least countering fighter aircraft. Ballistic missiles with their high apogee flight paths probably cannot be tracked by AWACS radars.

One limitation is that AWACS radars can't match the capabilities of large, powerful ground based radars.

But I guess something is better than nothing.

I guess fighter aircraft and cruise missiles can be tracked by AWACS systems.

What are the advantage of the proposed strategy.
One, since the SAM's will be in protected underground launch pads they cannot be easily destroyed. Another is, even if above ground radars are neutralised the
AWACS will still be there to ensure that the Air Defence System is operational.

Yes, the AWACS can also be shot down but by virtue of it being a highly mobile platform it has a better chance of surviving.

Usually powerful, large ground radar stations are fixed whose positions can be pin pointed by the enemy ISR aircraft or satellites. Enemy aircraft know their location and will try to avoid flying near them.

Now, concealed underground SAM launch pads can be established in different locations which the enemy may not be aware of. What is needed is an AWACS to be present in the area to detect the intruder and then guide the SAM fired from the underground launch pad towards the target. Since the launch pads are underground and camouflaged nothing will be seen or detected by enemy surveillance assets. So an element of surprise can be established. The enemy fighter will be confidently flying over terrain which apparently has no overground radar installations and SAM's but will be ambushed by an SAM suddenly appearing from an undetected underground launch pad.

Well, is this science fiction or technologically possible. I had raised this idea earlier too.
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None of what you written is science fiction. By placing SAM's under hardened shelters you are literally giving the enemy enough reason to believe there is something of high value you are hiding there. SAM's are meant to be mobile, they are not meant to stay in the same place. Some big SAM's like the ones which can intercept ballistic missiles are usually kept underground in dense green cover setting. These things are expensive to maintain, pain in the ass actually.

Think about our SSBNs, it carries nukes and it is always hidden lurking under water. Since it's role is defensive it needs to be extra careful where it is going. During conflict it needs to be ready to fire nuclear tipped ballistic missile if the enemy takes out our nuclear missiles and installations. All in all it is stressful to maintain missiles hidden whether it is in submarines sailing underwater or underground. The stressful part here is not so much about financial, it is mainly about command and control. This is the reason US, Russia, France, China build aircrafts to carry nukes. They don't want to be reliant on some under bunker to do the job.
 
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Interested said:
We are to China what Pakistan is to us .

The good thing is that China does not want a fight with India as they have bigger fish to fry.
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We may not match with China , but we can defend ourselves very well. They have upper hand in air , but land and sea they lack support. If at all war happens , it will be nearer to the Indian border and might end in stalemate. Defeating India like 1962 will never happen .
 
But, if the Dog is on the Pakistani side and giving away the location(s) of our ambush sites or patrolling, what do you do?
- Well, the story goes that an Assam Regiment battalion landed on the LOC and faced this challenge.
- There was this big dog on the other side who was really causing issues.
- What to do?
- Then a Naga jawan from the regiment had an idea - all he asked for was a few 100 grams of raw meat for next few days.
- Meat was provided to him, and he was left to his own devises to silence this 4-legged sentry on the other side of the LOC fence.
- After a few days, one fine morning, the same jawan was seen with the dead body of the very same dog!
- What he had done was to put the raw meat on the fence to invite the dog to eat it and gain his trust.
- This happened for a few days and then one fine day, when the dog lowerd his guard and came very close, the Jawan slit its throat with his dao!
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But the story does not end here.
Most of you would know that people in NE do eat dogs.
Well, the Dog was butchered during day-time in the full view of the Pakistanis, and cooked and eaten.
Henceforth, the Pakistanis did not attempt to keep any dogs at that particular post.

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1922545694818369996?t=NiCc8sORZnX0famvM3veSg&s=19

BASED
 
I have a hunch World War 3 might happen before 2050. This time Asia will be the War Theater. European war theater might be minor limited to just Baltics and Eastern Europe(Ukraine mainly). Just look at the conflicts all over the World. Major ones are in Asia at the moment. We have Israel and Iran in the Middle East. India - Porkistan in South Asia. Then China against everybody in East Asia to take control of first island chain. First 2 conflicts will not trigger a World War, it will be limited. The world is not going to care let alone fight because Israel/India are engaged in war. However, if the Chinese do make a move on Taiwan and US joins to defend Taiwan, then all bets are off.

That will be a perfect opportunity for the Iranians to set Middle East on fire and also us to finish Porkistan for ever. In our case it will be slightly complicated since we must push Chinese back from Tibet and establish control in the Himalayas. Day by Day I feel the fight is getting more closer. Chinese are rapidly modernizing at a pace never seen before. It is obvious given the shifting demographics in their country, they can't wage a big war in 2040s or 2050s. Their population pyramid is already starting to invert. Fight a war now and even if you lose lot of young men there will still be enough to rebuild the country later. Or fight a war later and lose lot of young men which makes it difficult to rebuild the country later on with aging population. They need to swallow the poison pill sooner or later.
 
We are getting overconfident right now. Stop the stupid posts about air defence , we performed excellent but that's all. Remember chinese have more j 20 in their service than we have su 30mki. A fifth gen which we only dream off. They already have 3 , 5+ gen fighter program ahead of our mk 2 program. Pakistan will now be getting , world class equipment from now.
We might have removed the imminent danger for now but a sword is lingering right above our neck.

What we need is to force the government , to take steps and hammer when iron is red hot and launch 10+ intiatives to improve overall ecosystem of our Defense RnD. We really need some tough steps to secure our future
 
fire starter said:
But, if the Dog is on the Pakistani side and giving away the location(s) of our ambush sites or patrolling, what do you do?
- Well, the story goes that an Assam Regiment battalion landed on the LOC and faced this challenge.
- There was this big dog on the other side who was really causing issues.
- What to do?
- Then a Naga jawan from the regiment had an idea - all he asked for was a few 100 grams of raw meat for next few days.
- Meat was provided to him, and he was left to his own devises to silence this 4-legged sentry on the other side of the LOC fence.
- After a few days, one fine morning, the same jawan was seen with the dead body of the very same dog!
- What he had done was to put the raw meat on the fence to invite the dog to eat it and gain his trust.
- This happened for a few days and then one fine day, when the dog lowerd his guard and came very close, the Jawan slit its throat with his dao!
---
But the story does not end here.
Most of you would know that people in NE do eat dogs.
Well, the Dog was butchered during day-time in the full view of the Pakistanis, and cooked and eaten.
Henceforth, the Pakistanis did not attempt to keep any dogs at that particular post.

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1922545694818369996?t=NiCc8sORZnX0famvM3veSg&s=19

BASED
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Haan to ?
The 'jerb' of these dogs is to alert us to jihadi infiltration. Jihadi is not sitting by fence for a whole week making dosti with dogs. If thats the case, then chullu bhar paani me doob maro is the status of the army that any two bit jihadi can walk right up to the border for days and make friends with dogs.

yes, army both side feed doggo and try to off doggo. sure sure. Thats doggo job hazard. But doggo job is to bark the eff outta jihadi trained in bhawalpur crossing border here. Not familiar smell to doggo. doggo barky barky.
So on our side, doggo does its job, coz he is jihadi-patrol. We dont send jihadis to pakis. So their doggos are not as useful- coz we aint sending 4-5 people across the border to crawl over their mountains into their country jihadi style like they are doing to us.
 
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