Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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spikey360 said:
Oh no..
I hate to write these kind of posts but..
1 Name an ICBM with 10k km+ range in our arsenal
2 Name a strategic bomber/heavy bomber in our arsenal capable of bombing distances as far as Spain
3 Name the last time India threatened military intervention in an international issue
4 State what navigation system our missiles would be using when we strike the current de facto superpowers US and Russia
5 State when was the last time India had done anything blatantly in contravention to UN rules and decisions
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Superpower doesn't mean military power alone.

However, India isn't superpower yet. A superpower like USA is today or USSR was in its apex, can shrug off global dynamics and chart its own way cutting through global pressures as they will. Neither Indian economy nor domestic dynamics support that, and military is far from being anything even close to be something that can flex its muscle far away from Indian shores.

However, Agni-VI allegedly has a range above 10KM+.

Strategic bombers are outdated unless it comes with super stealth like B2 or B21.

As I stated before, domestic dynamics as well as limitations in military capability don't allow India to flex its muscle away from its shores. Last time India did in Srilanka, it turned out disastrous due to domestic as well as diplomatic problems coupled with limited military capabilities as well as restrictions on use of force.

NAVIC has limited scope, but can easily expand since it merely needs a couple more launches. However, India also can use Glonass. Though arguably, this limitation of dependency on Russian tech is also a marker for India having not yet reached the superpower status.

UN doesn't matter. India always keeps a clean image and that's why it follows the broadlines of US mandates. However, more than UN, the business relationships matter and that has potential of getting hurt if India breaks off from the superficial adherence it gives to the UN mandate.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
This is incorrect assessment of the Chinese. The chinese will NOT attack India, unless one or both of these conditions are met:
1. It wishes to come to Pakistan's aid in a direct military loss to India of 1971 proportions
2. It is reasonably certain it can deliver a 1963-esque victory and capture a sizeable chunk of land it claims from india- most preferrable in Arunachal Pradesh.

Just like how India perceives Pakistan, China percieves India and in the Chinese info-sphere and Chinese culture-sphere, anything less than the above two will be seen as a misadventure/pointless and even a loss in worst case scenario - because even if Chinese inflict air casualties on us, they wont go unscathed and unless they can hold ground or they have zero reasons to go into a missile-lobbing fest with india and blow up its bases ala Pakistan style, on its own, to 'teach india a lesson'.
Chinese nationalism is very land-oriented, i shall remind u Mao 'taught India a lesson' by gobbling 50,000 sq km of our land. Xi would have to enter that ball park and eat at least half that number in some significant population areas for China to consider this a venture worth taking on its own.

Our China angle is not overly complicated - its to play to our strengths and plug our weaknesses, where our strength is far more extensive montane combat experience and training in montane combat, while our weakness is defence and logistics infrastructure near the border.

if our army has enough capability to contain China to a doklam/galwan like situation, China will not escalate beyond that, especially given India has means to hurt China economically, given China runs huge trade surpluses with India and while net trade with India doesnt enter Chinese top 10 trade partners, their +ve score in export-import category, ie, where they EARN their cash, India is #2 singular nation, after the US.

A sudden war-time scenario will almost certainly see that trade surplus cash evaporate and put further stress on Chinese economy - China will only risk this if one of the two above conditions are met.
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You are forgetting shipping lanes which go thorough Indian Ocean. So, They will not only loose Indian trade they will also loose a trade route.

Second, There is going to be no two front wars. It will not take even a day for us to ground pakistan's aerial assets. Once that is done. We can pick on their ground forces with our loitering munition. If we don't try to push more deeper inside pakistani territory and instead entrench a little bit inside pakistani territory to form a buffer and solidify the front. Pakistan army would find it hard to mobilize the jihadis against India. The jihadi's will instead prefer to wrest control from PA and a civil war will ensue. So, this front would not be that much harder for us to keep stable. Ofcourse this dynamic will emerge only some weeks later.

The second thing we will need to do is to discourage and disallow use of our neighbors by Chinese against us. We now need to firmly deal with Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh. A firm message should be sent to these countries. No monkey business will be tolerated. We have levers to reign them in. It is just we are not using them.

A lot of nepalese people work and earn in India. So, Those ungrateful souls must be made to pledge allegiance to India. The instance their govt. speaks up. Have these ungrateful people sign some allegiance to India and use it to deport them back. The Nepalese govt. should be told very firmly that their chimping will cost them.

The same should be done with Bangladeshi's these kanglus work and steal from India and yet has the audacity to threaten us with our chicken's neck. Make sure these kanglus don't get any medical treatment inside India. Phuck them. Their access to India should be based on their performative and material action towards protecting indian sensibilities. Here i will like to drive one more point. Unlike Pakistan which has ethnic strifes, Kangludesh doesn't so the kanglus front is even more speciously dangerous to us. They are going to be more single minded against us. So, we need to stop its militarization at all cost. Kanglu army should not get heavy armour. Also, our BSF and CRPF should have more armour units to deal with this threat.

Lankan's are going to be nuissance value. But still they also need to be belted and made to toe the line.
 
Nicky said:
Ideally we should be able to handle Porkies with 20-25% of our resources and we save the rest for Chini.

My sense is that Chini will definitely go for an offensive against us, either initiated by them or they will insert themselves while we are banging Porkies.

They both want to be sure of their weapon systems before engaging the US and want us depleted to prevent interference from their western borders.

We need to ramp up domestic industry at war footing churn out the weapons we can and plug the gap by acquisition where we have no domestic alternative.
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They will test the weapon system through porkies. They will no try to entangle themselves with us. We can deliver a severe blow to them. They will have to say bye bye taiwan. India of today is not a cuck of nehru-gandhi. It is modi's india now. It will not go downly lightly.
 
COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:

View: https://youtu.be/HdxVxWkvwUQ?si=VJtayuu5YqF82T0g
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Hi there,
Glad to see that DFI lives on in a new form (DFB) and to see most of the members back. I'm the same shaktishivashakti as DFI's shaktishivashakti.
This quick post to let you know that the author of this video collaborated with the PLA after his retirement (A fact that he has admitted) from the French navy and is currently under suspicion of having leaked confidential information to the Chinese authorities (that fact has not been established but under investagation) . Just google "ate chuet justice" to have a glimpse of it.
 
www.indiatoday.in

Op Sindoor killed 6 Air Force staff at Bholari airbase, Pak Chief Minister confirms

The Chief Minister of Sindh confirmed that Indian air strikes targeted the Bholari airbase, killing six air force personnel, thereby validating India’s claim of striking military targets and countering Islamabad’s civilian casualty allegations.
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The CM of Sindh has admitted 6 PAF personnel including officers died in the Brahmos strike on PAF Bholari base :cmegusta:
 
Ajatshatru said:
I don’t think Rafales were even used in this conflict. All the BrahMos missiles have been launched from Su-30MKIs, and the other weapons fired also don’t seem to have come from Rafales. So far, there’s been no sign of any Meteor missile wreckage either.
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PIB press release yesterday confirms Rafales were used during Op Sindoor, which fired SCALP missiles and dropped Hammer bombs on Piglet targets
 
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Azaad said:
PLA units involved across the LAC aren't the ones who'd feature in amphibious assault across the Straits of Formosa . Both are different & highly specialised activities. Ditto for the PLAAF units .

The reason I believe ( and it's purely my gut instincts here , nothing to be gleaned from the net ) China'd come for us us before they initiate Taiwan is they'd expect a swift short "shock & awe" campaign to test the efficacy of their other arms namely the Rocket Force , Cyber Security Force , their Support Forces which handles logistics , their ISR network , etc .

A quick win here would not only boost their confidence but also validate the soundness of their systems & strategy before taking on what should be their biggest challenge namely the US & it's allies along with Taiwan.

The danger here is things don't go as per plan & they then get stuck in a war of attrition. That's when their desperation will come to the fore & you can expect them to then throw everything thing into it including the proverbial kitchen sink.

The more the conflict drags on the more their desperation increases leading them to push the envelope drastically. This would probably see us become pretty desperate as well. At this point all bets would be off.

The operating logic being if the Chinese armed forces can't overcome India , what're their chances against not only the most powerful country on the face of the earth but also their allies who've formidable militaries of their own namely - Japan & RoK .

Remember Xi & his clique have made a lot of enemies back home who're just waiting to see him fail . A war , any war China initiates would jeopardize trade & with it their incomes. The moment he does fail or even is perceived to fail like for instance that's how a stalemate across the LAC would be seen , the daggers would be out.

Hence as you see there's a lot at stake personally for Xi in this one much as Munir Maamu is discovering now on a much smaller scale.

Could go on but trust you get the drift.
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India has depth. So, yes chini will be caught in a spiral with us. I don't think any govt. in india after op sindoor can afford to cut its looses when invaded by the external power so easily. Modi has to face flak too for his quick ceasefire. Even cuck congressi's will be faced with a reckoning. So, any war with chongs will certainly drag out.

This operation has actually messed calculation of our hostile actors. They thought our defences were weak and pakistan has offensive parity. This war was exactly the war the chini planned and we foiled it with our comprehensive air defense and precision standoff capabilities.

I don't think now chini are much interested in it. They had the chance but the pigs let them down.
 
shade2 said:
PIB press release yesterday confirms Rafales were used during Op Sindoor, which fired SCALP missiles and dropped Hammer bombs on Piglet targets
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Rafales were used to bomb jihadi terrorists and not when porks came at us for dog fight thinking to kill like swift retard. Su 30 handled all the Paki jets from far away.
 
ShaktiShivaShakti said:
Hi there,
Glad to see that DFI lives on in a new form (DFB) and to see most of the members back. I'm the same shaktishivashakti as DFI's shaktishivashakti.
This quick post to let you know that the author of this video collaborated with the PLA after his retirement (A fact that he has admitted) from the French navy and is currently under suspicion of having leaked confidential information to the Chinese authorities (that fact has not been established but under investagation) . Just google "ate chuet justice" to have a glimpse of it.
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Hello my friend,

I posted it as a pretty balanced analysis from his side.I thought he didnt take any sides at all.

But good to know his history…In a conflict with China he might take sides surely.
 
Ajayant Tripathi said:
India has depth. So, yes chini will be caught in a spiral with us. I don't think any govt. in india after op sindoor can afford to cut its looses when invaded by the external power so easily. Modi has to face flak too for his quick ceasefire. Even cuck congressi's will be faced with a reckoning. So, any war with chongs will certainly drag out.

This operation has actually messed calculation of our hostile actors. They thought our defences were weak and pakistan has offensive parity. This war was exactly the war the chini planned and we foiled it with our comprehensive air defense and precision standoff capabilities.

I don't think now chini are much interested in it. They had the chance but the pigs let them down.
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People here are severely underestimating the performance of Chinese weapons & platforms they've sold the Paxtanis. To begin with these were export quality stuff.

Secondly the Chinese have a much more network centric ADS than us which means that a stand alone HQ-9 or HQ-16 will perform differently as opposed to when it is part of a highly connected network plus much better ISR & Cyber capabilities. They out rank us on practically every defence parameter you can think of and more.

Paxtan's performance or the lack of it isn't going to dissuade them . If anything like the Turks they were present in the C&C centres of the PAF too. They will derive the right lessons from this encounter & prepare accordingly.

Underestimate the Chinese at your own peril. The only ones in our neighborhood who've got a very rude wake up call apart from the Paxtanis are the malun lungis to our eastern flank.

If PAF couldn't survive 3 days they know the condition of their lungi air force much better than us to speculate as to what would happen if they go up against us.
 
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