Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

It's a proper intel failure for sure. I used to mock liberals a few days after the Pahalgam massacre when they tried to make it seem like the government's fault while ignoring the underlying malice existing within the terrorist state next door. The latter part is still unequivocally true and has always been but it's farcical that we haven't found the other 3 absolute subhumans responsible for the deaths of so many innocent civilians for being Hindus. Makes you think about the kind of infrastructure existing to facilitate the quiet and safe passage of these terrorists despite said terrorists having jeopardized the economy of the region for a whole tourist season. I hope the memory of the victims and the need to avenge their killers isn't forgotten in the hue and cry of Operation Sindoor.

Intel failures happen. A dozen US soldiers were blown up in a suicide bomb blast while hurriedly leaving Talibanistan. In that case they had Intel too that a blast was possible but the exact location was hard to determine. Simply having intelligence about a possible strike is not enough in a large country like India. Locations are needed. Unless we figure out a way to decrypt all the terrorist’s communications in real time and place moles within terror groups, it is impossible to learn that. Not even Mossad can pull it off. What Mossad does is build surprise measures that kill comms like the pager explosions of Hezbollah. We should have quietly tracked down who built the satcom phones for Porki Army and put some pav kilo atum bum in there.

 

[shade2]

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In Pakistani dossier, against India, Pakistan cited media outlets, journalists & experts from India:

1. The Wire
2. Siddharth Varadarajan
3. Radha Kumar
4. Ajai Shukla
5. Karan Thapar
6. Satyapal Malik
7. Sanket Upadhyay
8. Rahul Pandita

Pakis have made a Traitor List for us.
How kind of them <3

 

[Azaad]

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[Ajatshatru]

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For the same reason, Tejas is also a more effective platform than any imported alternative, as it is better integrated into the Indian system.

 

[Rango]

The greatest magicians in the world at delaying bankruptcy.

The latent price for patriotism

An 18pc increase in the defense budget implies a larger share of the national revenues being redirected at the expense of other critical areas.

www.dawn.com

The current tense regional environment likely underpins the government’s proposal, endorsed by its largest coalition partner, the Pakistan Peoples’ Party, to raise the defence budget by 18 per cent for the next fiscal year. The critical question for a resource-constrained country, however, remains: who will pay for it?

 

[Varoon4]

Intel failures happen. A dozen US soldiers were blown up in a suicide bomb blast while hurriedly leaving Talibanistan. In that case they had Intel too that a blast was possible but the exact location was hard to determine. Simply having intelligence about a possible strike is not enough in a large country like India. Locations are needed. Unless we figure out a way to decrypt all the terrorist’s communications in real time and place moles within terror groups, it is impossible to learn that. Not even Mossad can pull it off. What Mossad does is build surprise measures that kill comms like the pager explosions of Hezbollah. We should have quietly tracked down who built the satcom phones for Porki Army and put some pav kilo atum bum in there.

Definitely, and as defense commentator Shiv Aroor observes( and I am sure many others) we don't always hear of the great successes of Indian security and intelligence in thwarting so many terrorist plots. Or even if we do, we don't remember or appreciate enough. It's only the few 'failures' that are talked about. Questions must be asked, that is for certain, but let's keep a sense of balance.

I remember an article in India Today magazine from the early 2000s, that even back then, Indian security forces had nabbed 400 terrorist cells throughout India. What if even 10 of those 'succeeded', there would have been a large number of deaths.

 

[Ajatshatru]

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[FIELD MARSHAL SAHWNSTEIN]

For the people RRing about losing the narrative war:

The military and roach paijaans themselves have provided irrefutable evidence of pakjabi airbases and bachabaazi training centers being hit. And we have a good direction to focus procurement on now. Any serious analyst/ military will know which side was dominant. Even the western losers have no choice but to acknowledge that now.

The inbred raands on the other hand have no choice but to delude their population. Their entire existence is based off of claiming false victories and doing mujra for the quam. They've focused a massive chunk of their efforts on pipth janrashun waarfayre. Not saying info wars are not important, but you can only convince those who have open minds. If we crushed them to the point where no info war could save them (we were pretty close to that), then they would play victim and become darlings of the west, arab and chongs. Theres no winning this info wise. Just keep head down and get to 10tril in economy as quick as possible. 26/11 did not stop companies/indians from investing in india, a battlefield victory for us surely wont either.

We have serious objectives to focus on, trying to get to 10 trillion, semiconductors, indigenous weapons etc - so out strikes will have serious considerations behind them. The average pak faujeet is content with land ownership, DHA plots, gora saheb validation and citizenship, zameendari, importing weapons, bachabaazi, goatfucking and other cousin-enjoying activities. No serious thought for progressing their country. I atually think its a good thing that the military is back with peoples support - a civilian govt, no matter how corrupt might actually start having economically forward ideas.

So to sum it up - we created real detterance. Those who needed to get the message got it. We validated weapons and solidified our direction militarily. and IWT is in the bin for now.

They, on the other hand, did mujra, got strengthened politically and virtually, but violated militarily and in reality. The baloch, pashtuns etc have tasted blood. Pakjabi specialty Mujra is not going to stop them. They have to import more weapons, wheat, money wont be spent on development and no country will want to invest in them now. Every country has seen that we can strike anywhere and everywhere. Chinas CPEC will get obliterated if they try something to get more involved next time.

 

[Cheepek]

 

[srev2004]

Uff " confidence building measure" is such a fools errand as far as pak is concerned.

If the goal is to economically weaken Pakistan, keeping up sustained low intensity military ops benefits India long term.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Gates (at zero line) will remain closed.

No handshakes.

But audiences still allowed.

We are approaching levels of retardation never witnessed before.

Tourism + dhandha above dignity, I guess...

I did predict this would happen.

Now I'm seriously worried they'd reinstate IWT quietly too.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

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if a rafale actually has been shot down, then the blames rests on the Operational command, keep in mind they actually were told to not engage paki air force and and just bomb those terror bases, it kind of like being told to fight with one arm tied behind your back

 

[india_defence_freak]

Meanwhile Ishaq Dar, foreign minister of Pakistan is getting humiliated in Beijing:-


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No minister came to pick him up, no red carpet, Chinese media is not covering it (just a page 10 report on Global Times).

Reminds me of Sundar visiting Jethalal in Tmkoc.

Uninvited and completely ignored.

 

[crazywithmath]

Now I'm seriously worried they'd reinstate IWT quietly too.

The incumbent has many faults, being magnanimous towards pakroaches is not one of them. They have been looking for an excuse to scrap IWT for years now.

 

[Ajatshatru]

No Palestine didn't win There are Israeli bots, content creators, writers being heavily funded working within social media, mainstream media, even telegram consistently peddling their narratives worldwide. They spend heavily on Media. Moreover Israel has achieved things on the ground to see.
Petty politics of Rahul Gandhi/moral victory is way different than winning war/skirmish or even claiming to win it. It will be written in the history books & will have geopolitical implications. You need to counterbalance with proof, narratives even in your worst times. We know what happened but the next generation will probably not. How do you think Congress eliminated Hindu history?

The only thing that matters is that the terror camps have been destroyed. Pakistan can claim victory, but it makes no difference.

 

[silentassassin265]

if a rafale actually has been shot down, then the blames rests on the Operational command, keep in mind they actually were told to not engage paki air force and and just bomb those terror bases, it kind of like being told to fight with one arm tied behind your back

Rafle was shot at whether it was downed or not that's a different thing.
Just like porkies HQ9 system blames goes to the planning and operations only rather than the product itself.

IAF didn't except that porkies will open fire unless they crossed the border hence did not prepare for a2a battle.
On porkies side they just don't have money for later defence

 

[silentassassin265]

The only thing that matters is that the terror camps have been destroyed. Pakistan can claim victory, but it makes no difference.

Life of terrorists isn't worth much, even after 100 killed they will reproduce another 200.
Diverting indus river is far more efficient approach but not sure if government has will to do it

 

[silentassassin265]

The incumbent has many faults, being magnanimous towards pakroaches is not one of them. They have been looking for an excuse to scrap IWT for years now.

Will expanding the existing project be enough though?
We don't have any damages on indus right now, construction of dam doesn't seem possible right now, but a canal or slight diversion will also do the trick.

 

[silentassassin265]

Even after they have repeatedly affirmed they won't reinstate?

They won't reinstate that's fine, but do they have the will to punish porks?
Even if building new infra seems tough, we can release all type of chemicals in river .

 

[Cyclops]

According to Saurav Jha, Khagantaks were used to pwn pakis.




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