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shade2 said:
Ideally they should have created 3 different designs and even prototypes with different engines( russian, french, us ) for each plane so in case somebody gets superpower keeda, feels extra greedy or cannot deliver the engines because of their war, we can use the other guy's engines.

But then all deshi fighter jet programs here are merely non-serious time-pass projects it seems.
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We are looking to develop new engine with Rolls Royce or Safran partnership in India so no delivering or withholding engine supply doesn’t arise. We will source all the necessary components from within India with holding IP and technology to manufacture we can mass produce the engine without any dependence on west. This is why M88 hot core mating to Kaveri was rejected. We desperately need an independent engine. AMCA will have our own engine it may get delayed if engine isn’t sorted out or we may go to Russian AL41/51 engines.
 
Upgraded Abhyas with warhead in the works under emergency procurement.

new variant of the indigenously developed Abhyas High-speed Expendable Aerial Target #HEAT, designed by DRDO’s Aeronautical Development Establishment #ADE, is reportedly in the advanced stages of development. Sources indicate that this upgraded version could feature an integrated warhead, marking a significant evolution in the utility of Abhyas.

The variant is being tailored to function as a high-speed kamikaze drone, with modifications already visible in its nose cone, where a ballast system has been incorporated to accommodate the new payload.

The improved Abhyas is expected to fly at Mach 0.5 and possess a range of 300–400 km, offering a cost-effective, powerful, and easily deployable solution for future engagements. The platform is already known for its simplicity in launch and rugged design.

Industry sources confirm that Larsen & Toubro (L&T) is poised to manufacture up to 300 units, although discussions with ADE are still ongoing.

“This variant is part of an emergency procurement drive by the Ministry of Defence. Technology transfer (ToT) is complete,” a senior military source confirmed.

Abhyas, in its existing role, will serve as the standard aerial target for all missile firing exercises (of a specific class) in future, signifying its increasing operational maturity. The programme has advanced following ten critical flight trials, which have validated its capabilities for both target simulation and potential offensive roles.

View: https://x.com/writetake/status/1924477237744812167?t=JkrInrij7NkmA4YyzqaoIw&s=19
 
Anonymous Bharata said:
Bookmark this, by 2027 burgerch0ds will pull the rug on F414

Redesign AMCA around RD-33, (call it AMCA-Mk1A) , yes its already very late, but you have no option because indigenous engine is not coming anytime soon or we will end up with nothing
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I will ask Allah to give me 3000 Black Jets instead of using RD-33 from Russians. The baseline Kaveri is similar to RD33 and we can build the Engine by ourselves itself.

If we are going to shell out money for buying every foreign systems. Just throw the money on GTRE and let them cook the Engine. Just spending 1-2 billion so far with limited testing facility and no further support for them.

Meanwhile strong chinaman spend more than 20 billion to build those working 4th Gen engines.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
I will ask Allah to give me 3000 Black Jets instead of using RD-33 from Russians. The baseline Kaveri is similar to RD33 and we can build the Engine by ourselves itself.

If we are going to shell out money for buying every foreign systems. Just throw the money on GTRE and let them cook the Engine. Just spending 1-2 billion so far with limited testing facility and no further support for them.

Meanwhile strong chinaman spend more than 20 billion to build those working 4th Gen engines.
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exactly man, baseline k9 version with minor changes is at par with rd33

the current kde with new afterburner would surely cross 80kn with less weight

but unkil putin not giving flying testbed as if they are working on 9-10 engine at once and all require testing, all round the week
 
ArjunMK1A said:
I will ask Allah to give me 3000 Black Jets instead of using RD-33 from Russians. The baseline Kaveri is similar to RD33 and we can build the Engine by ourselves itself.

If we are going to shell out money for buying every foreign systems. Just throw the money on GTRE and let them cook the Engine. Just spending 1-2 billion so far with limited testing facility and no further support for them.

Meanwhile strong chinaman spend more than 20 billion to build those working 4th Gen engines.
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Kaveri is still in lab, it's nowhere close to production,it still needs to mature & then it has to go to production, Mass production is entirely different game than design & development. Even if we start today, I don't think it will come by 2035
 
Gandaberunda said:
We are looking to develop new engine with Rolls Royce or Safran partnership in India so no delivering or withholding engine supply doesn’t arise. We will source all the necessary components from within India with holding IP and technology to manufacture we can mass produce the engine without any dependence on west. This is why M88 hot core mating to Kaveri was rejected. We desperately need an independent engine. AMCA will have our own engine it may get delayed if engine isn’t sorted out or we may go to Russian AL41/51 engines.
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Again good luck with zooropean partnership

I will say it again, 110KN engine JV will fail
 
Gandaberunda said:
We are looking to develop new engine with Rolls Royce or Safran partnership in India so no delivering or withholding engine supply doesn’t arise. We will source all the necessary components from within India with holding IP and technology to manufacture we can mass produce the engine without any dependence on west. This is why M88 hot core mating to Kaveri was rejected. We desperately need an independent engine. AMCA will have our own engine it may get delayed if engine isn’t sorted out or we may go to Russian AL41/51 engines.
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See this, I don't trust the Zooropeans

View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1924630148642406702
If you wanna do JV with them do it, but parallelly fund a fully indigenous 110KN engine programme as a backup, if not it will be a big L
 
Doreamon said:
Virupkha aesa radar , astra mk 2 , rudram anti radiation missiles , yodha & anidra EW suit , brahmos ng and that new AI cockpit ... Sukhoi ll dominate skies . I hope majority of the frame lasts till 2040 .
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All is great just that upgrade timelines is 5 yrs away for 1st jet. Govt needs to do whatever it can to squeeze timelines
 
Gandaberunda said:
If need arises for a stop gap 5th gen fighter we have only 2 options F35 ( become American bitch for next 40 years )
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Why for 40 years if its a stop gap. A production level AMCA in 2035 will become 80-90% capable of F35 then why should we carry F35's burden for 40 years. After AMCA becomes mainstay Let F35 be present in form of 2 squadrons for airshows or exercises, or say fukc it and chuck it to some eastern europoor in late 30s. That will be minute loss of few B$ which wont matter in 15 years, at the cost of getting autonomy back.
 
Nutcracker said:
Why for 40 years if its a stop gap. A production level AMCA in 2035 will become 80-90% capable of F35 then why should we carry F35's burden for 40 years. After AMCA becomes mainstay Let F35 be present in form of 2 squadrons for airshows or exercises, or say fukc it and chuck it to some eastern europoor in late 30s. That will be minute loss of few B$ which wont matter in 15 years, at the cost of getting autonomy back.
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What does 2 squadrons of f35 accomplish as a "stop gap"

Meaningless waste of money.

Spending that money on AD, missiles, drones, satellite isr would actually have a deterrent impact.

5x the nuke warhead stockpile and putting agni 5 and k4 in full production would as well.
 
SWiFT-K 🇮🇳 kamikaze warming up as India accelerates strike drone programme.

India’s defence research ecosystem is preparing to flight-test a new scaled-down variant of its stealth drone platform #SWiFT (Stealth Wing Flying Testbed), signalling progress in the country's ambitions to field a full-fledged armed Remotely Piloted Strike Aircraft (#RPSA).
Reliable government sources have confirmed to Tarmak Media House (TMH) that the Bengaluru-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), a DRDO laboratory, is developing this new variant in partnership with Indian industry.
Codenamed SWiFT-K, the platform is designed to operate at 0.6 Mach and carries kamikaze capability -- a first for India’s drone development programme. “They (ADE) have made two prototypes to prove technologies,” an official said.
High-Speed Taxi Trials (HSTT) for SWiFT-K have been completed at the Aeronautical Test Range (ATR) in Challakere near Chitradurga (Karnataka). ADE is working with an IISc incubator for airframe development, with Transfer of Technology (ToT) planned in due course.
The 'K' in SWiFT-K denotes its kamikaze role. The drone is equipped with an integrated warhead and is designed to be expendable. In its final operational form, SWiFT-K will be launched from a dedicated launcher. Initial demonstration flights, however, will use conventional take-off and landing systems with a custom landing gear.
Sources say that once the proof-of-concept phase concludes, SWiFT-K will transition to booster-assisted or catapult launches.
The project has been developed without formal user involvement or sanctioned funding. It is the result of rapid prototyping and indigenous R&D, with preliminary design and prototype realisation achieved in just nine months.
SWiFT-K will serve primarily as a capability demonstrator for ADE’s technologies, particularly in the emerging domain of autonomous high-speed stealth drones -- seen as critical for neutralising advanced air defence systems.
Post Operation Sindoor, the Indian government is pushing to fast-track indigenous defence projects, with SWiFT-K among the platforms receiving priority attention.

View: https://x.com/writetake/status/1924680954666483828?t=JboUyyyES6fXe8WZ7qRCOQ&s=19
 
Nibbler said:
What does 2 squadrons of f35 accomplish as a "stop gap"

Meaningless waste of money.

Spending that money on AD, missiles, drones, satellite isr would actually have a deterrent impact.

5x the nuke warhead stockpile and putting agni 5 and k4 in full production would as well.
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Those 2 squadrons of non nato standard F35 will be the deterrent to PAF J35.. it's always been the case that IAF builds parity wrt to its peer airforce i.e PAF.. PLAAF is not even chasable when it will alone would be operating 500 j20 nd 150 J35 by the end of this decade.

As depicted by 2019 nd 2025 indo pak conflict.. IAF will play the decisive role.. u need a strong airforce to counter enemy airforce..

IAF can't just sit ideal while PAF acquies J35 nd with this develops training and tactics meant for stealth fighters. We will be very late in the domain of 5th gen associated training nd tactics if we will wait for AMCA.

So 2 squadrons of F35 won't only be deterrent but will also help IAF establish it's own VLO 5th gen associated training nd tactics to be competitive in ever changing air warfare domain.
 
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What is its capability? Like weapons bay dimensions, what all weapons can it carry? Or will it carry grenades?
Indian engine?
fire starter said:
SWiFT-K 🇮🇳 kamikaze warming up as India accelerates strike drone programme.

India’s defence research ecosystem is preparing to flight-test a new scaled-down variant of its stealth drone platform #SWiFT (Stealth Wing Flying Testbed), signalling progress in the country's ambitions to field a full-fledged armed Remotely Piloted Strike Aircraft (#RPSA).
Reliable government sources have confirmed to Tarmak Media House (TMH) that the Bengaluru-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), a DRDO laboratory, is developing this new variant in partnership with Indian industry.
Codenamed SWiFT-K, the platform is designed to operate at 0.6 Mach and carries kamikaze capability -- a first for India’s drone development programme. “They (ADE) have made two prototypes to prove technologies,” an official said.
High-Speed Taxi Trials (HSTT) for SWiFT-K have been completed at the Aeronautical Test Range (ATR) in Challakere near Chitradurga (Karnataka). ADE is working with an IISc incubator for airframe development, with Transfer of Technology (ToT) planned in due course.
The 'K' in SWiFT-K denotes its kamikaze role. The drone is equipped with an integrated warhead and is designed to be expendable. In its final operational form, SWiFT-K will be launched from a dedicated launcher. Initial demonstration flights, however, will use conventional take-off and landing systems with a custom landing gear.
Sources say that once the proof-of-concept phase concludes, SWiFT-K will transition to booster-assisted or catapult launches.
The project has been developed without formal user involvement or sanctioned funding. It is the result of rapid prototyping and indigenous R&D, with preliminary design and prototype realisation achieved in just nine months.
SWiFT-K will serve primarily as a capability demonstrator for ADE’s technologies, particularly in the emerging domain of autonomous high-speed stealth drones -- seen as critical for neutralising advanced air defence systems.
Post Operation Sindoor, the Indian government is pushing to fast-track indigenous defence projects, with SWiFT-K among the platforms receiving priority attention.

View: https://x.com/writetake/status/1924680954666483828?t=JboUyyyES6fXe8WZ7qRCOQ&s=19
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Anonymous Bharata said:
Kaveri is still in lab, it's nowhere close to production,it still needs to mature & then it has to go to production, Mass production is entirely different game than design & development. Even if we start today, I don't think it will come by 2035
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In 2017 SAFRAN Audit given greenlit for testing the engine in Fighter plane. By early 2020-21 GTRE started to ask for MIG29 to test the engine. The answer from GOI is big NO. They asked for FTB. The answer is NO. They asked for Lab facility, the answer is NO. Did they give money for GTRE. The answer is big NO.

RD-33 is an poor engine, with poor MTBO. Both IAF and IN have poor experience with that engine. The baseline Kaveri produce the same output as RD-33. Already the engine is on flight test in Russia and brahmos corporation is working on Afterburner section for now. The dry thrust requirement is already achieved 54KN. It is matter of time to test the engine with Afterburner.

Spend the damn money man on your engine. Otherwise you will wait for some Russians, Americans to give the engines which will be comes with own complications. The Russians will ask for higher cost for ToT. The Americans will have terms and conditions and whims of Dems/Republics.

It hardly takes 5 years to build this engine. This is the engine using 2rd Gen materials. We already have 3rd Gen material in the DMS4. Just pour money like chinese and get that engine.

Even an stripped out AMCA with External weapons bay with this engine can do the job. It will be our own Twin engine 4.5 Gen aircraft.
 
Nutcracker said:
Why for 40 years if its a stop gap. A production level AMCA in 2035 will become 80-90% capable of F35 then why should we carry F35's burden for 40 years. After AMCA becomes mainstay Let F35 be present in form of 2 squadrons for airshows or exercises, or say fukc it and chuck it to some eastern europoor in late 30s. That will be minute loss of few B$ which wont matter in 15 years, at the cost of getting autonomy back.
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Very well said.. peeps here are emotionally challenged nd will call u names for being dalal nd what not..

Even for much touted AMCA IAF has only committed paltry 40 nos of AMCA mk1 iteration that itself is a giveaway that IAF is banking upon on AMCA mk2 not AMCA mk1 in sufficient nos that will unfortunately arrive after 2040
 
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Anonymous Bharata said:
See this, I don't trust the Zooropeans

View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1924630148642406702
If you wanna do JV with them do it, but parallelly fund a fully indigenous 110KN engine programme as a backup, if not it will be a big L
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In one of them navy books by GM Hiranandani.

There is a whole section where the navy wanted to buy torpedo tube launched anti ship missiles because the Piglets were going to get Harpoons from the US.

This was during the 80s-90s and we wanted for our Type 209 subs, the ((( Frenchman ))) was doing non-committal drama of maybe zhey will sell it to us with the contract for buying sous-marines from them( dalali for Scorpene going on since decades before ).

The missile in question was the Exocet

It ends with a lot of "GET IT IN WRITING" and after the writing they had to get it signed by the French, that they would sell missiles to IN without the pre-condition of buying french submarines.

i.e the Admirals of the day knew the proclivities of the French, so we can't say that the Forces/Baboodom/Dhotis ko chutiya banaya

TLDR the French are weasels, you need a good set of lawyers to make to contract with crisp language and strict penalties included so that they don't dance over it later on.

If muh help with Kaveri by Safran is legit, all the type of "help" needs to be specified and penalties also have to be specified
 
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