Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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i could not find any mention of F16 loss at F-16.net. Did any one find any thing ??

Of course US will enlist them PROUDLY!

"Hey world... see those INDIANS downed our MIGHTY F-16's, so let's put it in hall of shame and sabotage our jets performance and OVERPRICED F-35 pitch. Let those Ruskis LAUGH at us as well! Let TRUMP admit it on live TV in a special press conference in WH. Also put the US flag half in rememberce of those F-16 downed in the line of duty to our beloved inefficient Packistani friends"

I suggest you read my post again. Do you really expect US to be so naïve or FOOLISH! :roflb:
 
Dear all, new to DFB but was on DFI for several years.
Normally a guest on DFB but joined today.
Have a query.....carefully heard Mr Modi's speech today. All good but slightly confused about IWT.
He said.....we will not give water from "OUR SHARE" if pakistan continues with terrorism. The concept of share itself should be in a abeyance with IWT. Is it a suboptimal choice of words, or is there a chance that we have quietly gone back on IWT abeyance?
Please listen to the speech for exactly what he said before commenting.
India is an upper riparian country and it also has rights on the water for it's own legitimate use. So India is going to take what it requires, unlike before where India wasn't allowed to use water from the western rivers for consumptive usage, only for non consumptive use like power projects, very limited irrigation etc.

The point is that Pakistan is already short on water, you can gauge the situation from the fact that when Porki Army wanted to start an irrigation project called Cholistan project for corporate farming, it led to severe protests in Sindh because they did not want more of their share of water to be diverted for the project.
Eventually when India put the IWT in abeyance, Porki Army also had to cancel/pause the project.

Now you can imagine what will happen when India starts diverting water from the river which is already insufficient for Pakistanis!

IWT will remain in abeyance, and India will divert water. Will build infra as well, which will become fait accompli if incase Paxtan stops terrorism in future. Like the dams on the eastern rivers have become fait accompli, even when Paxtan has rights on it's water now that IWT is suspended. Can't do anything about it really, but cry and maybe take it to arbitration.
 
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Going forward, we should have a law that would prohibit any Indian from holding important government positions, who has immediate family members settled in foreign countries. This should have been addressed a long time ago.

Where do you draw the line? Cabinet? Ministers? MPs? MLAs? Indian Service Officers? Judiciary?
You're living in a utopian world if you think this is possible, my friend.
There isn't a single country in the world where this is the case. Ever wondered why?
 
Right now or atleast since 10th of may Pakistan is not a nuclear power (de-facto disarmed) : Tom Cooper

View: https://youtu.be/qJHUTDjNdpw?si=LZucXhu658hwuYR1
Tom Cooper is not just anybody like Christine Fair — he is a well-known war historian. If he says Pakistan was de-nuclearized on May 10th, then there must be substance to it.
 
Of course US will enlist them PROUDLY!

"Hey world... see those INDIANS downed our MIGHTY F-16's, so let's put it in hall of shame and sabotage our jets performance and OVERPRICED F-35 pitch. Let those Ruskis LAUGH at us as well! Let TRUMP admit it on live TV in a special press conference in WH. Also put the US flag half in rememberce of those F-16 downed in the line of duty to our beloved inefficient Packistani friends"

I suggest you read my post again. Do you really expect US to be so naïve or FOOLISH! :roflb:

What are you talking about ?. I quoted the report which cited F16-net as source. Did you even read it ??

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Going forward, we should have a law that would prohibit any Indian from holding important government positions, who has immediate family members settled in foreign countries. This should have been addressed a long time ago.

Good thought, but let's start with members themselves not being foreign nationals - Sonia, RaGa etc. are legal citizens of other countries but our vishwaguru does not want to prosecute them. Prior to 2014, I have heard beta-daamad jibes umpteen number of times and immense corruption scandals they were involved in from hriday samraat, but absolute zilch has happened in the past 11+ years.
 
And you're back to square one. Dude, I've debunked your bullshit enough number of times now. I've never exerted any elitism, but in this context, you aren't worth a millionth of the people whose photos you have posted, or me, or even any other self-respecting gentlemanly citizen.
The best that people like you can do is try to insult the honest efforts of people better than you because you have nothing positive to add to the world or even your surroundings. You have been posting these same two photos from very early in the thread. You don't have a better argument, and therefore, you are having to peddle your same propaganda again and again.
Maybe you're not the one at fault here and are just a product of the bigoted section of the Indian society who suffer from the victim mentality of being "backwards" and therefore justify your rights to handouts.

Also, you as an outsider will NEVER understand the innards of how administration in India works and what the challenges are. Changes are happening, and every move of the GoI post Pahalgam is proof of that. I've seen enough corrupt and honest babus to know that they are titular figures holding offices. The strings are always controlled by the so-called democratically elected representatives. The problem is that they have to always be the people who enforce government policies and, therefore, become the villains in the public's eyes.

Let me give you and other members of this forum an anecdote. A lot of times, the "bribe" that you pay to a traffic havildar is never seen by the havildar himself. There are "quotas" that need to be met, enforced by senior officers whose job is on the line unless they fulfill their obligations to whoever influences that office. Now, hopefully all of you are smart enough to extrapolate this to higher echelons of the administrative framework.

Did you ever question why the Government has never changed the administration and bureaucracy frameworks? These are mere tools used to funnel taxpayer rupees into private Swiss bank accounts. The corrupt among the babus are the ones who have justified their actions to themselves because in their mind they deserve a share of whatever they're helping the politicians steal or the ones who lack a spine and do whatever the flying f*ck politicians ask of them without asking for written orders.

Gaand mein dum hai toh inke level pe pohoch aur kuch changes laa. Simple as that!
Many DFB members are sitting on high horse and preach others whereas, as I have said before, majority of the janta here is preparing for UPSC/SSC CGL exam. To be honest I hardly find any defence aspirant here. Anyone who wants to join the forces or scientific organisation like ISRO, DRDO, a big salute from me. I don't care whether an honest officer's son or daughter are settled abroad and working in a Western country. Dr S Jaishankar's daughter worked for Reliance, in India, for several years before moving abroad. Many youngsters move abroad due to their hard work. What's wrong in it? People are talking as if we have first world infrastructure and an excellent work culture in our country. Perhaps several youngsters move abroad because of the crappy work culture in our corporate sector. Yahan par log baat aise karte hain ki har IPS, IAS, Scientist ya army officer ke beta ya beti ko CIA ne abroad settle karaya hai.
 
Where do you draw the line? Cabinet? Ministers? MPs? MLAs? Indian Service Officers? Judiciary?
You're living in a utopian world if you think this is possible, my friend.
There isn't a single country in the world where this is the case. Ever wondered why?
A formal deliberation on this subject can determine the the line.

The water has been muddied so much so that, clarity on any given topic, may appear utopian to some people. It is unfortunate.

How do you know there is not a single country which does not do this?
 
Good thought, but let's start with members themselves not being foreign nationals - Sonia, RaGa etc. are legal citizens of other countries but our vishwaguru does not want to prosecute them. Prior to 2014, I have heard beta-daamad jibes umpteen number of times and immense corruption scandals they were involved in from hriday samraat, but absolute zilch has happened in the past 11+ years.
The people who commit corruption are often not stupid; they cover their tracks. This makes it difficult to prosecute them. If we the people keep electing candidates like RaGa and SoGa then we are making it difficult to clean the system. To the best of my knowledge, RaGa and SoGa are citizens of India. As such, they have rights under the constitution. SoGa was rightly prohibited from becoming the prime minister. RaGa's dad, Rajiv Gandhi was an Indian citizen, that makes RaGa a natural born Indian citizen. So naturally, RaGa has slightly more privilege than SoGa who became an Indian citizen based on her marriage.
 
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India is an upper riparian country and it also has rights on the water for it's own legitimate use. So India is going to take what it requires, unlike before where India wasn't allowed to use water from the western rivers for consumptive usage, only for non consumptive use like power projects, very limited irrigation etc.

The point is that Pakistan is already short on water, you can gauge the situation from the fact that when Porki Army wanted to start an irrigation project called Cholistan project for corporate farming, it led to severe protests in Sindh because they did not want more of their share of water to be diverted for the project.
Eventually when India put the IWT in abeyance, Porki Army also had to cancel/pause the project.

Now you can imagine what will happen when India starts diverting water from the river which is already insufficient for Pakistanis!

IWT will remain in abeyance, and India will divert water. Will build infra as well, which will become fait accompli if incase Paxtan stops terrorism in future. Like the dams on the eastern rivers have become fait accompli, even when Paxtan has rights on it's water now that IWT is suspended. Can't do anything about it really, but cry and maybe take it to arbitration.
Sure. I was only curious about the words Mr Modi choose, as he is quite sharp about wording.
 
More news/sources coming of PAKI LOSSES...

Seems like India first humbly let the Pakis jump 20 km in air in joy, mastrubate non stop in imaginary "victory" and then..... unleashing the sad truth for them step by step. A significant # of ammo/missiles were exhausted against India in a short time, another reason(Kirana Hills Nuke explosions aside) they BEGGED for a ceasefire since they can't fight for few more days and again a SURRENDER on paper was coming.

Already FAILED Marshal Munir has turned into a joke even by lot of Pakis on their own forums. :lol:

So the "6-0" Paki social media taunt turned into 8-0 in reverse order!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpot2OJ_yyE
 
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Are u retarded enough to think

Jaishankar or Mirsi is calling shots

And not Modi- Doval- Shah
Yes, not only that, I'll go further and say even the lower ranked babus are able to affect Jaishankar and those above him.

PM/EAM/HM are not gods. They aren't omniscient and omnipotent. Inputs come from these babus, execution is also babus. If more than half your departments members kids are foreign settled and all of them are being squeezed, you'll be sabotaged by these people, plain and simple.
 
And you're back to square one. Dude, I've debunked your bullshit enough number of times now. I've never exerted any elitism, but in this context, you aren't worth a millionth of the people whose photos you have posted, or me, or even any other self-respecting gentlemanly citizen.
The best that people like you can do is try to insult the honest efforts of people better than you because you have nothing positive to add to the world or even your surroundings. You have been posting these same two photos from very early in the thread. You don't have a better argument, and therefore, you are having to peddle your same propaganda again and again.
Maybe you're not the one at fault here and are just a product of the bigoted section of the Indian society who suffer from the victim mentality of being "backwards" and therefore justify your rights to handouts.

Also, you as an outsider will NEVER understand the innards of how administration in India works and what the challenges are. Changes are happening, and every move of the GoI post Pahalgam is proof of that. I've seen enough corrupt and honest babus to know that they are titular figures holding offices. The strings are always controlled by the so-called democratically elected representatives. The problem is that they have to always be the people who enforce government policies and, therefore, become the villains in the public's eyes.

Let me give you and other members of this forum an anecdote. A lot of times, the "bribe" that you pay to a traffic havildar is never seen by the havildar himself. There are "quotas" that need to be met, enforced by senior officers whose job is on the line unless they fulfill their obligations to whoever influences that office. Now, hopefully all of you are smart enough to extrapolate this to higher echelons of the administrative framework.

Did you ever question why the Government has never changed the administration and bureaucracy frameworks? These are mere tools used to funnel taxpayer rupees into private Swiss bank accounts. The corrupt among the babus are the ones who have justified their actions to themselves because in their mind they deserve a share of whatever they're helping the politicians steal or the ones who lack a spine and do whatever the flying f*ck politicians ask of them without asking for written orders.

Gaand mein dum hai toh inke level pe pohoch aur kuch changes laa. Simple as that!
Man, I'll never tire of posting just two screen caps and see you fly off the handle and make chunky posts like these.

I'll never take you seriously again about this specific thing after you revealed your closeness to babus last time, why do you bother?
 
Most of India's peacenik stances are courtesy of the MEA worrying about 'log kya kahenge'.

Post op analysis clearly shows that the IAF was restrained until a Haft missile flew and was intercepted over Sirsa, Haryana. After that some major asses were ripped apart and IAF got the free hand to do whatever it wanted.
Told ya'll. If this was Russia or China, some IFS bigwigs would have ended up in gulags and forced labor camps.


View: https://x.com/sandeep_mave/status/1925465931301425349
 
Told ya'll. If this was Russia or China, some IFS bigwigs would have ended up in gulags and forced labor camps.


View: https://x.com/sandeep_mave/status/1925465931301425349


Not performing SEAD/DEAD is suicidal!!! Whoever made this call should be lynched. This is inviting needless losses to men and hardware!! No self-respecting country will let someone else's AF bomb its territory without consequences, whether the reasons are legit or not is a separate discussion.

Will do better next time does not cut it. The opportunity presented itself this time and should have been fully exploited. The world and Pak/China have seen what IAF is capable of and rest assured, measures will be taken to address the shortcomings. IAF will have to significantly up its game to pull something off to this degree on another occasion. Simply put, this is a chance that went begging!!
 
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