Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[liberalredditor]

ho

Returned back to the thread after a few weeks

1. Gernal munir got promoted to field marshal of paxtani aand forces. Public celebrating their country being decimated by Indian missiles deep in their heartland and paki army surrendering (yes white flags!) on overlooking posts throughout LoC and J&K IB.

2. Some of our own still crying 5 jahaj gir Gaye ji hamare (without any proof whatsoever) we are so nalayak inept Loda lasun after every 3 message since day one.

how can you forget the centre of gravity of this situation huh, the centre of gravity of pakistan aand forces is touching the ground with uncle joe prostate cancer

 

[Master of Indus]

Let official IAF/GOI statement on asset losses come out, you will be surprised (how low or no losses we took). This time losses on the pakistani side will also be given and they are waiting for a rude shock. Field Marshal will be packing his bags, saving his arse and running to amreeka!

 

[ezsasa]

on this Indian planes supposedly shot down, DFB should be keeping a record of all statements made on this topic. we would have seen a live example of how misinformation works, and it's impacts. we would have seen how creatively language is used to manufacture myths.


for example :

this is what ankit panda is saying "fairly confidently" to peter on 22nd may 2025.

the Chungdu J10 and the PL-15 air-to-air missile both Chinese platforms employed by Pakistan did appear to have some important tactical effects uh right uh and again early days we don't have a full public accounting at least authoritative public accounting of aircraft losses particularly on the Indian side but I think we can fairly confidently say at this point at least based on the evidence that we've seen based on reporting from French aircraft manufacturer do that India did lose at least one rafale

View: https://youtu.be/P3xwmHg9g7I

original source of this news continues to be this paki written reuters article quoting an ISPR statement, amplified by chini written bloomberg article. they then added a U.S source, and later a french dassault source.

from indian side other than that pic of mirage fuel tank , there is no other evidence to support the claim.

"There are other reports of multiple damage that Pakistani forces, both on the ground and air, have inflicted. But I can confirm to you that at least two aircraft of the Indian Air Force have been downed," Chaudhry added.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacif...5-indian-air-force-jets-defense-chief/3559324

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/three-fighter-jets-crashed-indias-jammu-kashmir-local-govt-sources-say-2025-05-07/

let's keep a screenshot, for future use.
reuters

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if only there was a better example of circle jerk.
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Reuters article : Saeed Shah and Idrees Ali
Bloomberg article : Josh Xiao and Yian Lee

pakis and chini are running circles around gora news agencies



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as on 15th May,

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

The kind of bombing done by India on pakistan using precision strikes is overwhelming..

To give you all a context to hit a target in WW2 multiply the missiles and precision ammunition by 1000 times thats the impact.

pakis will take long time to recover from military strikes and the way lose economically is 1000 times more.

Doesn’t matter if porkis keep on dancing of fake Rafale show down they know inside what kind of Halala Indian Military did to them.

Reminds me of that lindybeige video where I first learnt about the concept of supression charts in the artillery. A practical application of tactical psychology on the battlefield. Let me see if I can find it.

Edit: here it is, watch from 38:54 onwards where he talks about Battle of Castel del Rio where 4000 artillery shells fired in the day did not manage to rout the enemy, but 140 artillery shells (just as inaccurate) later that SAME DAY managed to rout the enemy. I think Indian Army needs to think about Supression charts in the artillery, not just PGMs and course correction fuzes. The aim should be tactical victory, not attrition alone. It might work brilliantly against the PLA ladyboys.


View: https://youtu.be/1UTsPHBLjKk?si=ntY2LqyvuxYG4rxk

 

[Tumba]

Reminds me of that lindybeige video where I first learnt about the concept of supression charts in the artillery. A practical application of tactical psychology on the battlefield. Let me see if I can find it.

Edit: here it is, watch from 38:54 onwards where he talks about Battle of Castel del Rio where 4000 artillery shells fired in the day did not manage to rout the enemy, but 140 artillery shells (just as inaccurate) later that SAME DAY managed to rout the enemy. I think Indian Army needs to think about Supression charts in the artillery, not just PGMs and course correction fuzes. The aim should be tactical victory, not attrition alone. It might work brilliantly against the PLA ladyboys.


View: https://youtu.be/1UTsPHBLjKk?si=ntY2LqyvuxYG4rxk

Exactly my point, one single precise hit on Bholari hardened shelter in WW2 terms is like using dozens of fighter bombers and trying to drop bombs for days still there is little chance something of value is hit.

The psychological impact itself will
Be too much to take for coward pakis hence begging USA to ask India to stop then USA called India to which India told USA ask ur dog to call and beg for mercy

 

[liberalredditor]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/1ktcekq/the_pakistan_embassy_guy_and_the_other_one/

if anyone of you can send it to main stream news channels or tag it on twitter to big journalists like shiv aroor and all it would be good
if anyone has contacts?

 

[The Juggernaut]

View: https://x.com/FT/status/1925729166235775481?t=f3z4cd0-pkJU_x_1MKCdCg&s=19

Trump is not high in command, it's business at usual. Hostility at east is as usual.

 

[delta]

Let official IAF/GOI statement on asset losses come out, you will be surprised (how low or no losses we took). This time losses on the pakistani side will also be given and they are waiting for a rude shock. Field Marshal will be packing his bags, saving his arse and running to amreeka!

aji mera. i don't think IAF/GOI will ever issue any statement on asset loss for either side. don't know what the reason behind it is either (esp. when IAF themselves confirmed a Mirage kill), and have not seen any suitable explanation by anyone for the same

our guys dont seem to care about PR or visibility, since they seem to believe in doing things rather than showing it off. same is also evident in armed forces commercials, or ISRO missions where they install 4K cameras for scientific observation, but provide a doordarshan quality camera feed for PR purposes

happy to be proven wrong, but unlikely ever will be

 

[Tumba]

aji mera. i don't think IAF/GOI will ever issue any statement on asset loss for either side. don't know what the reason behind it is either (esp. when IAF themselves confirmed a Mirage kill), and have not seen any suitable explanation by anyone for the same

our guys dont seem to care about PR or visibility, since they seem to believe in doing things rather than crowing about it. same is also visible in ISRO missions where they install 4K cameras for scientific observation, but provide a doordarshan quality camera feed for PR purposes

happy to be proven wrong, but unlikely ever will be

US military is the most modern and mastered the current modern warfare,
One thing I have noticed US military rarely provides any kind of scores/clarifications only thing they do for PR is providing hollywood access…

I say India still in early stage of military modernisation should follow same strategy never showcase ur war trophies unless already visible to public never tell about your kills let the enemy count the same…

Indian military has a long long way to go to reach the level of modernisation and future warfare US military has mastered ,
If they like some movie script Indian military should provide some access without sharing anything sensitive

 

[truthsoldier]

We did not hike defence budget appropriately even after Galwan. Rather it fell as a percentage of gdp. Will the same mistake repeat again?

View: https://x.com/REDBOXINDIA/status/1925833152439672870?t=z5yLivWzqIZZhwTY_hzezQ&s=19

 

[shade2]

aji mera. i don't think IAF/GOI will ever issue any statement on asset loss for either side. don't know what the reason behind it is either (esp. when IAF themselves confirmed a Mirage kill), and have not seen any suitable explanation by anyone for the same

our guys dont seem to care about PR or visibility, since they seem to believe in doing things rather than crowing about it. same is also visible in ISRO missions where they install 4K cameras for scientific observation, but provide a doordarshan quality camera feed for PR purposes

happy to be proven wrong, but unlikely ever will be

The scheme is to prevent Piglets from escalating further by not tearing their baniyan and lungi by humiliating them by flexing their jet losses or dead pilots.

They don't give a shit about PR in the ((( global ))) sense, Pakis do, which is why you have a pro-Paki narrative capture in western MSM, image is all that lund-fakir qaum has

Pakis are predictable with how much they value muh image, muh "honor" etc, they can be baited into escalating further to their detriment if the Govt wants.

Unfortunately Pela -e- Paki remains a side-quest for the govt, the main quest remains muh 10 trillion dolla ekanami, 25% manuphacturing as percentage of GDPee etc

 

[shade2]

We did not hike defence budget appropriately even after Galwan. Rather it fell as a percentage of gdp. Will the same mistake repeat again?

View: https://x.com/REDBOXINDIA/status/1925833152439672870?t=z5yLivWzqIZZhwTY_hzezQ&s=19

It's a given, if the Chongs couldn't scare the chindi govt into increasing defense budget you think the pyaasa, bhooka, nanga padosi mulq will scare them?

 

[samsaptaka]

An excellent piece - a must-read


View: https://x.com/walterladwig/status/1925243304699924609?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

And yet the same indo-pak hyphenation and never mentions that porks targeted civilians and temples & gurudwara on our side. Blame for this also falls on our dumbass MEA retards who should have repeated this ad hominum in their PCs instead of the repeated non escalatory nonsense!

 

[ezsasa]

on nuclear,for the record :

India's Nuclear Doctrine :
The 1999 DND, prepared by the NSAB under the chairmanship of K. Subrahmanyam, laid out the foundational principles of India’s nuclear policy. Key elements included:

1. No First Use (NFU): India would not initiate nuclear weapons use but would retaliate massively if attacked with nuclear weapons.
2. Credible Minimum Deterrence (CMD): India would maintain a nuclear arsenal sufficient to deter adversaries, particularly Pakistan and China, without pursuing an arms race.
3. Massive Retaliation: In response to a nuclear attack, India would inflict unacceptable damage on the aggressor, targeting population centers and strategic assets.
4. Civilian Control: Nuclear weapons use would be authorized only by the civilian political leadership, specifically the Prime Minister or a designated successor.
5. Non-Use Against Non-Nuclear States: India pledged not to use nuclear weapons against states without nuclear capabilities, unless such states allied with a nuclear power against India.
6. Retaliation to Chemical/Biological Attacks: The doctrine reserved the right to respond with nuclear weapons to a major chemical or biological attack.

Key Redlines Articulated by Pakistan Post-Parakram​

In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:

1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.

Clarification by GoI in 2003:

• Reaffirmation of NFU and CMD: The doctrine reiterated India’s commitment to no first use and a credible minimum deterrent, with an arsenal sized to deter threats from Pakistan and China.
• Massive Retaliation Clarified: The 2003 statement explicitly stated that India would respond with “massive nuclear retaliation” to a nuclear attack, designed to inflict “unacceptable damage.” This was seen as a response to Pakistan’s first-use policy and its articulation of nuclear redlines in 2002.
• Response to Chemical/Biological Attacks Expanded: The doctrine broadened the scope of retaliation to include nuclear responses to “a nuclear attack on Indian territory or on Indian forces anywhere,” as well as major chemical or biological attacks, signaling a wider deterrence umbrella.
• Robust Command and Control: Emphasis was placed on a survivable nuclear arsenal, with measures to ensure robust command, control, and communication systems to withstand a first strike.

 

[Master of Indus]

aji mera. i don't think IAF/GOI will ever issue any statement on asset loss for either side. don't know what the reason behind it is either (esp. when IAF themselves confirmed a Mirage kill), and have not seen any suitable explanation by anyone for the same

our guys dont seem to care about PR or visibility, since they seem to believe in doing things rather than showing it off. same is also evident in armed forces commercials, or ISRO missions where they install 4K cameras for scientific observation, but provide a doordarshan quality camera feed for PR purposes

happy to be proven wrong, but unlikely ever will be

I think you don't know how it works in India. Every military loss has to be made public, recorded and reported atleast to the parliament or parliamentary committees, and then everything comes out, you can't keep it a secret for long as a rule. So wait and watch.

That slide with Mirage kill was for some drones, not Mirage 3/5s of pakistan, yes pakistani mirage were downed.

 

[delta]

We did not hike defence budget appropriately even after Galwan. Rather it fell as a percentage of gdp. Will the same mistake repeat again?

View: https://x.com/REDBOXINDIA/status/1925833152439672870?t=z5yLivWzqIZZhwTY_hzezQ&s=19

don't be too surprised. MoD and FM babus will see Op Sindoor victory as a validation that our forces are sufficient to conduct warfare currently, and don't need any more money. typical bean-counter thought process.

it's like that joke in corporate -
If you do well: "you’ve done a fantastic job. everything is running smoothly, so clearly, we don’t need to give you a raise. why fix what isn’t broken?"
If you don't do well: "you don't deserve a raise with this performance. work harder and maybe next time we'll see"

 

[delta]

I think you don't know how it works in India. Every military loss has to be made public, recorded and reported atleast to the parliament or parliamentary committees, and then everything comes out, you can't keep it a secret for long as a rule. So wait and watch.

That slide with Mirage kill was for some drones, not Mirage 3/5s of pakistan, yes pakistani mirage were downed.

like i said, happy to be proven wrong. however, there's no telling that the parliamentary hearing on this topic may be behind closed doors to protect other confidential details, and this husk may get ground along with the wheat.

 

[Master of Indus]

like i said, happy to be proven wrong. however, there's no telling that the parliamentary hearing on this topic may be behind closed doors to protect other confidential details, and this husk may get ground along with the wheat.

Arey bhai, all losses are recorded and made public eventually and this is mandatory in India, not an option!!

I agree, a bhukha nanga pakistan and it's new scorched field marshal might not be under any legal or moral obligation to record or report battle losses. Hence, after getting pounded so visibly, they are celebrating victory, however this time their public is not completely falling for pakistani the propoganda it's a slight change.

 

[samsaptaka]

We already know this but it bears repeating, "Americans will NEVER change" and "pakis will forever be mercenaries and chamchas with no future".

A good read after Op-Sindoor, makes you hate the murican deep state with a gusto.

India, Pakistan & The Great American Game

Some shift the focus on Pakistan's ability to manipulate a "misguided" Washington. Such views are common but betray a naiveté.

www.outlookindia.com

I actually don't hate Trump, he's hysterical enough to not be able to hide murica's "power-level" and I'd rather every Indian know their enemies.

We are trying to break free of the status-quo imposed by the GAE containment, and they don't like it, but I have a feeling we're playing their game better than them.

Someone should make our ostrich MEA babuas read this article and smack their heads to make them realise no matter how much they shout 'non escalatory, non military ' targets at the top of their voice, unkil ain't gonna ditch Porkdog and upset the balance in Bharaths favour, so might as well bang em hard with full escalation

 

[truthsoldier]

It's a given, if the Chongs couldn't scare the chindi govt into increasing defense budget you think the pyaasa, bhooka, nanga padosi mulq will scare them?

If this bean counting holds even after all this forget about developing serious military industrial complex as no industry can go up the ladder without meaningful orders and miniscule budgetary support for R&D.