Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[truthsoldier]

We did not hike defence budget appropriately even after Galwan. Rather it fell as a percentage of gdp. Will the same mistake repeat again?

View: https://x.com/REDBOXINDIA/status/1925833152439672870?t=z5yLivWzqIZZhwTY_hzezQ&s=19

 

[shade2]

aji mera. i don't think IAF/GOI will ever issue any statement on asset loss for either side. don't know what the reason behind it is either (esp. when IAF themselves confirmed a Mirage kill), and have not seen any suitable explanation by anyone for the same

our guys dont seem to care about PR or visibility, since they seem to believe in doing things rather than crowing about it. same is also visible in ISRO missions where they install 4K cameras for scientific observation, but provide a doordarshan quality camera feed for PR purposes

happy to be proven wrong, but unlikely ever will be

The scheme is to prevent Piglets from escalating further by not tearing their baniyan and lungi by humiliating them by flexing their jet losses or dead pilots.

They don't give a shit about PR in the ((( global ))) sense, Pakis do, which is why you have a pro-Paki narrative capture in western MSM, image is all that lund-fakir qaum has

Pakis are predictable with how much they value muh image, muh "honor" etc, they can be baited into escalating further to their detriment if the Govt wants.

Unfortunately Pela -e- Paki remains a side-quest for the govt, the main quest remains muh 10 trillion dolla ekanami, 25% manuphacturing as percentage of GDPee etc

 

[shade2]

We did not hike defence budget appropriately even after Galwan. Rather it fell as a percentage of gdp. Will the same mistake repeat again?

View: https://x.com/REDBOXINDIA/status/1925833152439672870?t=z5yLivWzqIZZhwTY_hzezQ&s=19

It's a given, if the Chongs couldn't scare the chindi govt into increasing defense budget you think the pyaasa, bhooka, nanga padosi mulq will scare them?

 

[samsaptaka]

An excellent piece - a must-read


View: https://x.com/walterladwig/status/1925243304699924609?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

And yet the same indo-pak hyphenation and never mentions that porks targeted civilians and temples & gurudwara on our side. Blame for this also falls on our dumbass MEA retards who should have repeated this ad hominum in their PCs instead of the repeated non escalatory nonsense!

 

[ezsasa]

on nuclear,for the record :

India's Nuclear Doctrine :
The 1999 DND, prepared by the NSAB under the chairmanship of K. Subrahmanyam, laid out the foundational principles of India’s nuclear policy. Key elements included:

1. No First Use (NFU): India would not initiate nuclear weapons use but would retaliate massively if attacked with nuclear weapons.
2. Credible Minimum Deterrence (CMD): India would maintain a nuclear arsenal sufficient to deter adversaries, particularly Pakistan and China, without pursuing an arms race.
3. Massive Retaliation: In response to a nuclear attack, India would inflict unacceptable damage on the aggressor, targeting population centers and strategic assets.
4. Civilian Control: Nuclear weapons use would be authorized only by the civilian political leadership, specifically the Prime Minister or a designated successor.
5. Non-Use Against Non-Nuclear States: India pledged not to use nuclear weapons against states without nuclear capabilities, unless such states allied with a nuclear power against India.
6. Retaliation to Chemical/Biological Attacks: The doctrine reserved the right to respond with nuclear weapons to a major chemical or biological attack.

Key Redlines Articulated by Pakistan Post-Parakram​

In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:

1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.

Clarification by GoI in 2003:

• Reaffirmation of NFU and CMD: The doctrine reiterated India’s commitment to no first use and a credible minimum deterrent, with an arsenal sized to deter threats from Pakistan and China.
• Massive Retaliation Clarified: The 2003 statement explicitly stated that India would respond with “massive nuclear retaliation” to a nuclear attack, designed to inflict “unacceptable damage.” This was seen as a response to Pakistan’s first-use policy and its articulation of nuclear redlines in 2002.
• Response to Chemical/Biological Attacks Expanded: The doctrine broadened the scope of retaliation to include nuclear responses to “a nuclear attack on Indian territory or on Indian forces anywhere,” as well as major chemical or biological attacks, signaling a wider deterrence umbrella.
• Robust Command and Control: Emphasis was placed on a survivable nuclear arsenal, with measures to ensure robust command, control, and communication systems to withstand a first strike.

 

[Master of Indus]

aji mera. i don't think IAF/GOI will ever issue any statement on asset loss for either side. don't know what the reason behind it is either (esp. when IAF themselves confirmed a Mirage kill), and have not seen any suitable explanation by anyone for the same

our guys dont seem to care about PR or visibility, since they seem to believe in doing things rather than showing it off. same is also evident in armed forces commercials, or ISRO missions where they install 4K cameras for scientific observation, but provide a doordarshan quality camera feed for PR purposes

happy to be proven wrong, but unlikely ever will be

I think you don't know how it works in India. Every military loss has to be made public, recorded and reported atleast to the parliament or parliamentary committees, and then everything comes out, you can't keep it a secret for long as a rule. So wait and watch.

That slide with Mirage kill was for some drones, not Mirage 3/5s of pakistan, yes pakistani mirage were downed.

 

[delta]

We did not hike defence budget appropriately even after Galwan. Rather it fell as a percentage of gdp. Will the same mistake repeat again?

View: https://x.com/REDBOXINDIA/status/1925833152439672870?t=z5yLivWzqIZZhwTY_hzezQ&s=19

don't be too surprised. MoD and FM babus will see Op Sindoor victory as a validation that our forces are sufficient to conduct warfare currently, and don't need any more money. typical bean-counter thought process.

it's like that joke in corporate -
If you do well: "you’ve done a fantastic job. everything is running smoothly, so clearly, we don’t need to give you a raise. why fix what isn’t broken?"
If you don't do well: "you don't deserve a raise with this performance. work harder and maybe next time we'll see"

 

[delta]

I think you don't know how it works in India. Every military loss has to be made public, recorded and reported atleast to the parliament or parliamentary committees, and then everything comes out, you can't keep it a secret for long as a rule. So wait and watch.

That slide with Mirage kill was for some drones, not Mirage 3/5s of pakistan, yes pakistani mirage were downed.

like i said, happy to be proven wrong. however, there's no telling that the parliamentary hearing on this topic may be behind closed doors to protect other confidential details, and this husk may get ground along with the wheat.

 

[Master of Indus]

like i said, happy to be proven wrong. however, there's no telling that the parliamentary hearing on this topic may be behind closed doors to protect other confidential details, and this husk may get ground along with the wheat.

Arey bhai, all losses are recorded and made public eventually and this is mandatory in India, not an option!!

I agree, a bhukha nanga pakistan and it's new scorched field marshal might not be under any legal or moral obligation to record or report battle losses. Hence, after getting pounded so visibly, they are celebrating victory, however this time their public is not completely falling for pakistani the propoganda it's a slight change.

 

[samsaptaka]

We already know this but it bears repeating, "Americans will NEVER change" and "pakis will forever be mercenaries and chamchas with no future".

A good read after Op-Sindoor, makes you hate the murican deep state with a gusto.

India, Pakistan & The Great American Game

Some shift the focus on Pakistan's ability to manipulate a "misguided" Washington. Such views are common but betray a naiveté.

www.outlookindia.com

I actually don't hate Trump, he's hysterical enough to not be able to hide murica's "power-level" and I'd rather every Indian know their enemies.

We are trying to break free of the status-quo imposed by the GAE containment, and they don't like it, but I have a feeling we're playing their game better than them.

Someone should make our ostrich MEA babuas read this article and smack their heads to make them realise no matter how much they shout 'non escalatory, non military ' targets at the top of their voice, unkil ain't gonna ditch Porkdog and upset the balance in Bharaths favour, so might as well bang em hard with full escalation

 

[truthsoldier]

It's a given, if the Chongs couldn't scare the chindi govt into increasing defense budget you think the pyaasa, bhooka, nanga padosi mulq will scare them?

If this bean counting holds even after all this forget about developing serious military industrial complex as no industry can go up the ladder without meaningful orders and miniscule budgetary support for R&D.

 

[delta]

Arey bhai, all losses are recorded and made public eventually and this is mandatory in India, not an option!!

I agree, a bhukha nanga pakistan and it's new scorched field marshal might not be under any legal or moral obligation to record or report battle losses. Hence, after getting pounded so visibly, they are celebrating victory, however this time their public is not completely falling for pakistani the propoganda it's a slight change.

if declaring asset loss leads to any insight on tactics or other capabilities IAF wants kept secret, then it might be made confidential and not released to public.

case in point - no Rafale loss may be inferred as IAF drones spoofing as Rafales to trick PAF (yeah i know, not the best example but you get the gist) which no other AF has used till date, not even Ukraine IMO

i hope you are right and i am wrong. but even then, the report will be too little too late

 

[samsaptaka]

Lmao, this rr is not new on DFB. Everyone is deemed a deep state agent here - Modi included.


Ironically, the same conditions fo not apply to the russkies and the ching chongs despite their elites settling their kids abroad in a similar fashion.

Lavrov's daughter was residing in London. Xi's daughter is/was in the US. Nobody cares.

Aah but you underestimate Chings and ruskies mental strength and state policies.
Unkil blackmails Lavrov saying daughter would get kidnapped, Lavrov reply - If you fkng touch her you GF and mistress and all children from all your relationships will be eviscerated by a KGB hit team just waiting in (undisclosed location).

Xi - she is in US ? Kill her who cares ?

What would our brown sahib's IAS educated response to the white master be ?
Take a guess....

 

[Drwho]

What a strange thing. We are still discussing jet loss.
Yes it doesn’t matter if you loose hardware you can buy it back . And May be even better next time.
To hell with all this discussion of loss of aircraft. Even armed forces have said no jet loss occurred.

I think govt should give any proof of Paki losses and that should keep these voices down.

 

[indrajit]

It doesn't take 30 years to bore some tunnels.

A 5-10% reduction in flow is significant. pakistan has serious water security issues.

The tunnels that need to be bored are not a few, its a very big task. Large storage dams have to be built. The present dams are meant for hydro electric production, locations are not necessarily chosen for large storage and for areas where the water can be siphoned out.

 

[Sanglamorre]

The tunnels that need to be bored are not a few, its a very big task. Large storage dams have to be built. The present dams are meant for hydro electric production, locations are not necessarily chosen for large storage and for areas where the water can be siphoned out.

In addition, boring tunnels across mountains is a very tough feat. Creating a tunnel for vehicles is one thing, but for rivers?

Then there's the issue of letting water through large stretches of previously dry areas. Will cause massive geological stability issues

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

View: https://x.com/DerekJGrossman/status/1925810551596142597?s=19

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Trump is not high in command, it's business at usual. Hostility at east is as usual.

Apple is going to make money in India , it is not a victory for India to be able to buy their hyped product. (written from an Apple phone) Apple is designed to everyone stuck in their ecosystem only.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Quite some praise for Op Sindoor


View: https://x.com/spencerguard/status/1925542486069661816?s=46

US rarely fights alone rot adversaries it cannot easily defeat this is just to milk money from the military infrastructure Constant threats and fear mongering justifies the almost 1 trillion dollar budget for the military

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/DerekJGrossman/status/1925810551596142597?s=19

Utterly out of syllabus cartoon

Will next Kugelmann also roast muneera?