Israel x Iran Conflict (40 Viewers)

[LETHALFORCE]

Israel also have 1/10 population of Iran. Whatever it is, there is no going back now. If Israel fails to destroy Iranian nuclear assets now, I think Iranians will become desperate and steel their resolves to finish developing warheads no matter the concessions or guarantees offerred by any other state.

If Pakistan was able to get a nuke it should not be very hard. I am sure Russia and China or North Korea can help. Should be equal-equal.

 

[Decahex]

One thing i understood post op sindoor is the quality of discussion here is seriously low and downright ridiculous.

Imagine thinking any air defence is going to have a 100% hit rate against BM and hypersonic missiles. If you actually read the news by Israels own estimate they expected around 600 dead on the first night itself with close to a 1000 missiles being launched on day one. Technically damages and civilian casualties are war games beforehand.

Most militaries and countries around the word factor in civilian casualties as part and parcel of a wider conflict. Are people genuinely so stupid to think a saturated BM attack on Amritsar or Haryana would have no hits. Our AD mostly dealt with drones and 2-3 missiles along with aircraft and performed way beyond expectations but even with an integrated network a saturated BM attack would have definitely caused damages in Indian cities too.

I hope people here don’t shit themselves when Chinese missiles eventually end up hitting our posts and structures because these are expected in a conflict.

No amount of posting will stop dhoti shiverers from doing dhoti shivering things. I was sick of these kinds last month. The only real way to make the public less panicky and have a more pragmatic approach is if periodic, nation-wide drills are held. It will really help set the mood, educate people into the procedures and capabilities of the armed forces and above all set more realistic expectations so that citizens would know what to do to ensute safety of themselves and their families/friends.

 

[Knowitall]

Israel is certainly getting more than they bargained for.

Iran is sending 20-30 old missiles to tire AD and then sneaking in hypersonic that no system can really defend against.

Israel is desperate to destroy launchers but with decoys it's not easy. They have bitten more than they can chew and daddy US will have to intervene.



Unfortunately Trump is that stupid. He can't allow Israel to be banged beyond a point.

There is no option but to intervene.

This will escalate. Let see if this gives us an opportunity.

What a ridiculous analysis.

They have air superiority across Iran countless nuclear installations destroyed. Complete dominance of the escalation ladder. Multiple top officials and nuclear scientists dead. Missile storage sites and launchers being destroyed extensively across Iran along with entire Iranian air force but hey they lost some 25 odd civilians and city infrastructure how will they ever recover.

God forbid India ends in a high end conflict with china because after the collapse of 20 buildings this forum will proclaim that we have lost.

To give an example we lost more people in cross border shelling during op sindoor. Does that mean we bargained for more?

Speaking from a point of practicality this is great for Israel beyond some civilian deaths and damage to cities their entire military structure remains intact. Not only that they beat their own estimates of 600 dead on day 1 by a significant margin.

Muh 1000 missiles a day regime can barely fire a 100 without getting blown.

 

[Decahex]

If Pakistan was able to get a nuke it should not be very hard. I am sure Russia and China or North Korea can help. Should be equal-equal.

Pakistan also did not have a state that opposed it's nuclearization at all costs. Our mahaan leaders of the time openly gave away our agents and saboteurs and allowed Pak to become a nuclear state, which has now come to bite us in the posterior.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Pakistan also did not have a state that opposed it's nuclearization at all costs. Our mahaan leaders of the time openly gave away our agents and saboteurs and allowed Pak to become a nuclear state, which has now come to bite us in the posterior.

The leadership in India for the first 60 years after independence was very close to a banana republic.
Some good example Indus water treaty giving away 80 percent of water Tibet etc….. no strategic vision about anything and little to no intelligence about the neighbors. 1971 war is always remembered as a great victory but why did all the territory in pakistan get given back? No country fights like this a total banana republic.

 

[pythonlover]

What a ridiculous analysis.

They have air superiority across Iran countless nuclear installations destroyed. Complete dominance of the escalation ladder. Multiple top officials and nuclear scientists dead. Missile storage sites and launchers being destroyed extensively across Iran along with entire Iranian air force but hey they lost some 25 odd civilians and city infrastructure how will they ever recover.

God forbid India ends in a high end conflict with china because after the collapse of 20 buildings this forum will proclaim that we have lost.

To give an example we lost more people in cross border shelling during op sindoor. Does that mean we bargained for more?

Speaking from a point of practicality this is great for Israel beyond some civilian deaths and damage to cities their entire military structure remains intact. Not only that they beat their own estimates of 600 dead on day 1 by a significant margin.

Muh 1000 missiles a day regime can barely fire a 100 without getting blown.

Now we can understand how and why Pakis won the narrative war. When even defence enthusiasts in this country start dhoti shivering and think that even a single successful attack by enemy means loss, then what to say about the common public. And these are the guys asking for PoK. How they will cope with the losses and body bags when we go for PoK, only god knows. Pakis being the shameless bunch they are, simply picked up the jet loss narrative and our dumb idiots started to dhoti shiver on it. It did not matter how much damage we inflicted on Pakis and how brilliantly our AD defended.

Iran will take decades and billions to recover its military & economy to the point it was before the war, so much is its military capability degraded. But our RR doing population is doing RR over the point that Israelis took a few hits.

 

[Kattar]

One thing i understood post op sindoor is the quality of discussion here is seriously low and downright ridiculous.

Imagine thinking any air defence is going to have a 100% hit rate against BM and hypersonic missiles. If you actually read the news by Israels own estimate they expected around 600 dead on the first night itself with close to a 1000 missiles being launched on day one. Technically damages and civilian casualties are war games beforehand.

Most militaries and countries around the word factor in civilian casualties as part and parcel of a wider conflict. Are people genuinely so stupid to think a saturated BM attack on Amritsar or Haryana would have no hits. Our AD mostly dealt with drones and 2-3 missiles along with aircraft and performed way beyond expectations but even with an integrated network a saturated BM attack would have definitely caused damages in Indian cities too.

I hope people here don’t shit themselves when Chinese missiles eventually end up hitting our posts and structures because these are expected in a conflict.

NATO expected Russia to try and blitzkrieg on Ukraine and end up stretching themselves. Russians turned out to be a lot more sane and smart and have actually ended up being stronger militarily and economically

Iran too is acting very sensibly after coming to terms with the initial surprise of the attack. They aren`t rushing to push their assets out in the open in a fit of rage and instead seem to be initiating barrages when gap opens up on Israeli & NATO surveillance. Barrage of 30-50 missiles getting across 1500 kms despite combined Israeli / NATO / Gulf air surveillance is quite alarming.

If this wraps up in few weeks, Israel is in better position. If this drags on for months, Iran will be celebrating

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Iran will take decades and billions to recover its military & economy to the point it was before the war, so much is its military capability degraded. But our RR doing population is doing RR over the point that Israelis took a few hits.

It may not take that long Iran is rich in resources and they have strong Allies who will look at this as a golden opportunity. If a bankrupt country like Pakistan can bounce back after 5 losing wars then Iranians definetly will . They will have the support of most of the Islamic world too.

 

[redpanda]

This is what happens when your arrogance is so great and you under estimate your enemy. There was no need for all this to ever happen when negotiations were taking place. Even with US defending israel they are getting mercilessly pounded Israeli became complacent from
Knowing USA will always be there . This time it is not defenseless Arabs that cannot fight back they are fighting an adversary who is capable and they are Not able to handle the war when it comes to their land. Like Pakistan USA will pay for all the damage that happen to israel.

They trusted US a bit too much. US is not gonna jump into another war just for them. US deep state is filled with folks who have ptsd of Iraq blunder. They don't wanna repeat another Iraq where they lost too many assets. China will do everything to keep US engaged in Iran.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

They trusted US a bit too much. US is not gonna jump into another war just for them. US deep state is filled with folks who have ptsd of Iraq blunder. They don't wanna repeat another Iraq where they lost too many assets. China will do everything to keep US engaged in Iran.

This war has displayed a failure of major US weapons systems

F-35 and THAAD, AEGIS to start seems all the hype is not accurate and all weapons have their limits?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Pakistan Will Nuke Israel If It Uses Nuclear Weapon Against Us, Claims Iran

Pakistan will launch a nuclear attack on Israel if it drops a nuclear bomb on Iran, a top officer of Iran's elite forces has claimed amid rising tensions in the Middle East.

www.ndtv.com

Pakistan Will Nuke Israel If It Uses Nuclear Weapon Against Us, Claims Iran​

US backed paki nukes threatening Israeli. This is karma in action. 2 of USA ‘s most lioved allies nuking each other what a dilemma?

 

[shade2]

Pakistan Will Nuke Israel If It Uses Nuclear Weapon Against Us, Claims Iran

Pakistan will launch a nuclear attack on Israel if it drops a nuclear bomb on Iran, a top officer of Iran's elite forces has claimed amid rising tensions in the Middle East.

www.ndtv.com

Pakistan Will Nuke Israel If It Uses Nuclear Weapon Against Us, Claims Iran​

US backed paki nukes threatening Israeli. This is karma in action. 2 of USA ‘s most lioved allies nuking each other what a dilemma?

Their ambassador or foreign minister may have told his Irani counterpart this in private
An Irani Genrol then utters this in some video.

In all likelihood you have Jewish planes taking of from PAF bases, muh nukes for ummah is just jhumlebaazi.

 

[liberalredditor]

This war has displayed a failure of major US weapons systems

F-35 and THAAD, AEGIS to start seems all the hype is not accurate and all weapons have their limits?

mineral water weapons wont last long in real dusty conditions, we all knew this. add stryker too in the list. i only admire their 100 year bomber which is peak engineering and maintenance. rest all murican weaponry is burger loads of sh#t.

 

[cicada3307]

This war has displayed a failure of major US weapons systems

F-35 and THAAD, AEGIS to start seems all the hype is not accurate and all weapons have their limits?

I don't agree with you. Point me to a serious loss to any israeli airforce hanger/ammunition depot/ad systems/ military installations/ command and control systems/ nuclear storage sites then I will agree with you. If not it's a win for their ad systems or failure on iranian missiles. Either way it doesn't point to failure of us/israeli systems.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I don't agree with you. Point me to a serious loss to any israeli airforce hanger/ammunition depot/ad systems/ military installations/ command and control systems/ nuclear storage sites then I will agree with you. If not it's a win for their ad systems or failure on iranian missiles. Either way it doesn't point to failure of us/israeli systems.

Israeli air defenses are failing to intercept many Iranian missiles ARROW , Iron dome, THAAD, and AAEGIS also from US ships all failing incredible ??
Iranians are launching 100 ‘s of missiles along with Hhoutis unscathed and F-35 at least 2 destroyed where they were suppose to be undetectable and being pushed for India . With all these systems the outcome should be a lot better according to the hype around these systems ? Imo

 

[Nicky]

What a ridiculous analysis.

They have air superiority across Iran countless nuclear installations destroyed. Complete dominance of the escalation ladder. Multiple top officials and nuclear scientists dead. Missile storage sites and launchers being destroyed extensively across Iran along with entire Iranian air force but hey they lost some 25 odd civilians and city infrastructure how will they ever recover.

God forbid India ends in a high end conflict with china because after the collapse of 20 buildings this forum will proclaim that we have lost.

To give an example we lost more people in cross border shelling during op sindoor. Does that mean we bargained for more?

Speaking from a point of practicality this is great for Israel beyond some civilian deaths and damage to cities their entire military structure remains intact. Not only that they beat their own estimates of 600 dead on day 1 by a significant margin.

Muh 1000 missiles a day regime can barely fire a 100 without getting blown.

Tell that to Netanyahu on US television begging the US to intervene.

 

[shade2]

Iranian air defenses are failing to intercept many Iranian missiles ARROW , Iron dome, THAAD, and AAEGIS also from US ships all failing incredible ??
Iranians are launching 100 ‘s of missiles along with Hhoutis unscathed and F-35 at least 2 destroyed where they were suppose to be undetectable and being pushed for India . With all these systems the outcome should be a lot better according to the hype around these systems ? Imo

They haven't shot down any F-35s, if they would, there would be a media circus around it

>but muh western yahoodi censorship

Woh hai, but then RT would surely pick it up and maybe CGTN too

Truth is these are typical mulle jhumle that are only for propaganda purposes.

 

[Kattar]

What a ridiculous analysis.

They have air superiority across Iran countless nuclear installations destroyed. Complete dominance of the escalation ladder. Multiple top officials and nuclear scientists dead. Missile storage sites and launchers being destroyed extensively across Iran along with entire Iranian air force but hey they lost some 25 odd civilians and city infrastructure how will they ever recover.

God forbid India ends in a high end conflict with china because after the collapse of 20 buildings this forum will proclaim that we have lost.

To give an example we lost more people in cross border shelling during op sindoor. Does that mean we bargained for more?

Speaking from a point of practicality this is great for Israel beyond some civilian deaths and damage to cities their entire military structure remains intact. Not only that they beat their own estimates of 600 dead on day 1 by a significant margin.

Muh 1000 missiles a day regime can barely fire a 100 without getting blown.

Israel has endless backing from entire NATO, Gulf allies, Turkiye, Azeris & Pakis all of whom are doing their bit in helping Israel strike the Mullah regime. Heck, even Germany has re-fuellers going around helping Israel jets. Would have taken years of detail planning to get so many players working together. Iran is continuously under Satellite, Air and RF surveillance and is still managing to sneak a barrage on Israel every few hours, which should not have been happening when Mullahs and IRGC leadership is unable to even get out of bunkers

Iran isn`t next door and is too large for Israel`s air dominance to be sustainable in the long run. Iran is unwilling to discuss ceasefire which inidcates they may be able to sustain this a bit longer. China has shown willingness to resupply Iran with critical items through North Korea if Mullah Regime is able to hold on long enough, which is not a good sign.

Geopoltically we have good relations with both, particulary Israel. Hence would obviously want this to end fast with outcome tilting slightly in Israel favour. But this should have no bearing on objective analysis of battlefield performance.

 

[snakeeyes07]

One thing i understood post op sindoor is the quality of discussion here is seriously low and downright ridiculous.

Imagine thinking any air defence is going to have a 100% hit rate against BM and hypersonic missiles. If you actually read the news by Israels own estimate they expected around 600 dead on the first night itself with close to a 1000 missiles being launched on day one. Technically damages and civilian casualties are war games beforehand.

Most militaries and countries around the word factor in civilian casualties as part and parcel of a wider conflict. Are people genuinely so stupid to think a saturated BM attack on Amritsar or Haryana would have no hits. Our AD mostly dealt with drones and 2-3 missiles along with aircraft and performed way beyond expectations but even with an integrated network a saturated BM attack would have definitely caused damages in Indian cities too.

I hope people here don’t shit themselves when Chinese missiles eventually end up hitting our posts and structures because these are expected in a conflict.

It is hubris to think Indian AD is in any way better than what Israel currently has. Also, not accounted in this assessment is that US directly defends them with THAAD and USN SM-3 SM-6. We only faced a couple of Fateh 2 and CM400, Fateh 2 was definitely intercepted over Sirsa but we don't know if CM400 was intercepted. Based on comments by ex IAF chief & Vishnu Som, CM400 missed S400 as it was relocated but some of them weren't intercepted.

Even with Counter UAS, we use AD guns and in large number like L70 but at the same time we lack something like Iron Dome system.

Re taking hits, good thing is India has geography and size on it's side, remember during first 7-10 day of Ukraine war Russia had launched more than 1000 Iskander and cruise missiles but Ukraine persevered, fought back and turned the tables.

I think during conflicts in India even such as Op Sindoor, Twitter and social media should be shut down. There should be a dedicated app for Government emergency broadcast messages. News channels during such days would only rely on an Integrated MOD and Armed Forces PR dept for conflict related information. Phones and SMS work as normal, day to day activities should go on unless they are under threat, the dedicated app based on phone location can notify people accordingly. Everything in India is politicized, I remember during Op Sindoor, it were mostly the same accounts that kept banging on for Deescalate earlier were later trending Indira Gandhi and asking why stopped fighting after ceasefire.

Pakistan current stocks also doesn't compare, they only had 60 CM400 before Operation Sindoor. Their ballistic missile inventory is also limited, less than 200.

PLA RF is a completely different story. One can assume that they can use 30-60% of their conventional arsenal against India in an actual full scale war. Rest will be kept in reserve for US and Japan contingencies.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Also, S400 and Kusha can only act as last line of defence against sophisticated MRBM. Their effectives will not be consistent.


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