Israel x Iran Conflict (104 Viewers)

Hi from Canada……

Sad to hear death and destruction in Israel and also in Iran. It is all Iran’s fault and their desire to build a nuclear bomb to intimidate Israel.

You may ask why?

Muslim of Iran have no visible enemy in the neighbourhood. The only enemy they have is Israel who is 2000km away. Other than their religious decree that every non Muslim be converted to their faith or be killed. Jews in Israel refuse to covert or die. Additional issues include Tiny Muslim population of Palestine who would like to expel Jews or kill them from their homeland. That is not possible hence all Muslim countries are enemies of Israel. Iran so far away is also enemy. Hence this uncompromising attitude of Muslim is the root cause of all troubles.

These Muslim countries flush with oil money has no other purpose but to intimidate others to convert to their faith or die.

That will never happen hence war ‘of and on’ will continue.
 
iran has hypersonic missiles? damn then i am sure india would have built it a decade ago, the raw would have kept it a secret then
 
liberalredditor said:
iran has hypersonic missiles? damn then i am sure india would have built it a decade ago, the raw would have kept it a secret then
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Most BMs are hypersonic. They have BMs with MaRV capabilities. We had working prototypes of those in late 90s if we go by some reports (Dr.Pillai, Dr. Saraswat etc have hinted about in various interviews), just never tested because of sanctions.
 
snakeeyes07 said:
Also, S400 and Kusha can only act as last defence against sophisticated MRBM. Their effectives will not be consistent.


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MRBMs enter the atmosphere at Mach 10, so the warhead has immense kinetic energy. Even if you hit the warhead, you won't be able to stop it.

That's why BMD systems target these in their mid course phase in the exosphere.
liberalredditor said:
iran has hypersonic missiles? damn then i am sure india would have built it a decade ago, the raw would have kept it a secret then
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SRBMs are supersonic while MRBMs and above are hypersonic in their mid course and terminal phase.
 
liberalredditor said:
iran has hypersonic missiles? damn then i am sure india would have built it a decade ago, the raw would have kept it a secret then
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Meteorites fall at hypersonic speeds.
Missiles/reentry warheads perform slightly better due to their shape, which helps them negate atmospheric drag better than meteorites at the terminal stage or say before the impact.
It is just the gravity that makes them hypersonic.
On reentry, the BMs have more controlled speed due to obvious reasons, as they are propulsion dependent and thinking their way towards the target, but meteorites can be 5-10 times faster at reentry.
 
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Physx32 said:
MRBMs enter the atmosphere at Mach 10, so the warhead has immense kinetic energy. Even if you hit the warhead, you won't be able to stop it.

That's why BMD systems target these in their mid course phase in the exosphere.

SRBMs are supersonic while MRBMs and above are hypersonic in their mid course and terminal phase.
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I don't think they travel hypersonic anymore when they re-enter atmosphere. I think these RVs are high supersonic, >=Mach 3. Even with ICBMs, that travel Mach 20 in space their warheads in atmosphere are only around Mach 3.

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snakeeyes07 said:
It is hubris to think Indian AD is in any way better than what Israel currently has. Also, not accounted in this assessment is that US directly defends them with THAAD and USN SM-3 SM-6. We only faced a couple of Fateh 2 and CM400, Fateh 2 was definitely intercepted over Sirsa but we don't know if CM400 was intercepted. Based on comments by ex IAF chief & Vishnu Som, CM400 missed S400 as it was relocated but some of them weren't intercepted.

Even with Counter UAS, we use AD guns and in large number like L70 but at the same time we lack something like Iron Dome system.

Re taking hits, good thing is India has geography and size on it's side, remember during first 7-10 day of Ukraine war Russia had launched more than 1000 Iskander and cruise missiles but Ukraine persevered, fought back and turned the tables.

I think during conflicts in India even such as Op Sindoor, Twitter and social media should be shut down. There should be a dedicated app for Government emergency broadcast messages. News channels during such days would only rely on an Integrated MOD and Armed Forces PR dept for conflict related information. Phones and SMS work as normal, day to day activities should go on unless they are under threat, the dedicated app based on phone location can notify people accordingly. Everything in India is politicized, I remember during Op Sindoor, it were mostly the same accounts that kept banging on for Deescalate earlier were later trending Indira Gandhi and asking why stopped fighting after ceasefire.

Pakistan current stocks also doesn't compare, they only had 60 CM400 before Operation Sindoor. Their ballistic missile inventory is also limited, less than 200.
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snakeeyes07 said:
PLA RF is a completely different story. One can assume that they can use 30-60% of their conventional arsenal against India in an actual full scale war. Rest will be kept in reserve for US and Japan contingencies.

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This is a fairly comprehensive thread compiled from open source intelligence on PLARF inventories as well as Chinese production capacities. It's from Dec 2022 based on earlier data.

Lots of cross referencing other threads too in case one is interested in even more granular analysis.


View: https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1606144756177780736?s=19

THREAD!!



View: https://twitter.com/vaimaniki/status/1606222393680068609?s=19

China conducted missile tests firing ~ 135 ballistic missiles in 2021. Should indicate what their inventory then was.
 
liberalredditor said:
iran has hypersonic missiles? damn then i am sure india would have built it a decade ago, the raw would have kept it a secret then
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Not hypersonic missile as far as I know . But some of their missiles have MARV (maneuverable reentry vehicle ) capability . Very difficult to pick by radar in end stage and interception is even difficult as it can maneuver .. Also the speed is very high in last stage .. For example India's Agni 5 said to have velocity of mac 25 in last stage ..

So if Iran develops nuclear , given their attitude they ll simply bully USA and Israel 😁 .. They don't have nuclear yet but you can see their language .. That's the war is all about .
 
shade2 said:
They call it the al-Aqsa Masjid so no.
Jooz would welcome if it gets reduced to rubble since they can build their Third Temple over there.
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Decahex said:
Jerusalem and specifically Temple Mount is a very important site for Muslims as well. Considering that Iran lacks precision, only way they even hit the hill is due to pure luck/accident (depending on how you look at it).
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That was stupid of me. It blanked my mind that they have a spectacularly fucked situation over there wrt cultural artifacts.
 
Azaad said:
This is a fairly comprehensive thread compiled from open source intelligence on PLARF inventories as well as Chinese production capacities. It's from Dec 2022 based on earlier data.

Lots of cross referencing other threads too in case one is interested in even more granular analysis.


View: https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1606144756177780736?s=19

THREAD!!



View: https://twitter.com/vaimaniki/status/1606222393680068609?s=19

China conducted missile tests firing ~ 135 ballistic missiles in 2021. Should indicate what their inventory then was.
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That does demonstrate their production capability. But why does one require so many ballistic missile tests? You can argue they are different missiles with different ranges. But the principle of all missiles are the same. We test our missiles to confirm certain parameters like CEP, it's altitude profile, INS/GPS systems, gyroscopes etc. In case, we are replacing gimbal gyroscope with Laser ring gyroscopes then it's likely we will test the missile again. But there is no point in testing a missile many times just to confirm the range.

Do we need to test our mature missiles like Prithvi, Agni series, or even cruise missiles like Brahmos even after demonstrating they are working as per our expectations? What is that they are testing in their missiles that require so many tests I wonder?
 
snakeeyes07 said:
Also, S400 and Kusha can only act as last line of defence against sophisticated MRBM. Their effectives will not be consistent.


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As far as pakistan is concerned I think we are at a advantage to intercept ballistic missiles . We can intercept them in boosting phase or exo atmosphere . Because pakistan is near india and geographically not that wide . Iran and Israel are far away countries . So its tough there .
 
 
concard said:
That does demonstrate their production capability. But why does one require so many ballistic missile tests? You can argue they are different missiles with different ranges. But the principle of all missiles are the same. We test our missiles to confirm certain parameters like CEP, it's altitude profile, INS/GPS systems, gyroscopes etc. In case, we are replacing gimbal gyroscope with Laser ring gyroscopes then it's likely we will test the missile again. But there is no point in testing a missile many times just to confirm the range.

Do we need to test our mature missiles like Prithvi, Agni series, or even cruise missiles like Brahmos even after demonstrating they are working as per our expectations? What is that they are testing in their missiles that require so many tests I wonder?
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Regular testing from batches in storage is routine for all such countries with such inventories though I doubt we test as much as the Chinese. This could well be the function of us not possessing the kind of inventories the Chinese do.

I suspect the Chinese are also more rigorous about it as compared to the others. Could also be a case of older batches being equipped with liquid propellants which have lower shelf life & unstable as compared to BMs with solid propellants, though I'm not sure about this methodology the Chinese use.

Hope somebody with more insight in to the matter comments.
 
Azaad said:

View: https://twitter.com/HAHazony/status/1934068196769706086?s=19


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View: https://twitter.com/threadreaderapp/status/1934252040856777214?s=19

Insightful thread on the ideation & real motivations behind the Israeli strikes, how the US + Israel went about it & what does it mean for the region & world as a whole in terms of the consequences .
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Threadwala has like 20 tweets but doesn't make it clear how the jooz/us will stop the Iranis from acquiring the bomb?

One member pages ago was saying their facilities are 50 meters under mountains made of volcanic rock and big bombs of B2 bombers can't destroy those.

imo one way they could do this is a regime change in Eyeran and then the new regime signs a ((( deal ))) where they voluntarily relinquish nukes and production capabilities a la Ukraine/South Africa/Kazakhstan

For that the mullah regime has to be weakened, they will need a lot more assassinations etc for that.

For Irani proles the truth is an excellent narrative to overthrow the mullahs that this is an unnecessary conflict and the Iranis have no intrinsic quarrel with the Israelis apart from the made up udta teer grouse of "muh Poliostinians being oppressed", so if mullahs are removed, the Iranis will not get bombed, nor would they be sanctioned and stunted in national development.
 
concard said:
But why does one require so many ballistic missile tests?
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This could happen if their quality check protocol requires random testing of every batch. This may happen regularly or if specific inspection is ordered

China would have stocked BMs for all eventualities, including war with US, India or Russia. In the event of war with either US or Russia, they will expect their production centers to be nuked off completely, requiring minimum 3-5 years or more to bring them back online before they are able to restart production of sophisticated weapons during which they should be ready to fend off attacks from all directions.

Hence their war plans will call for reserves that will survive full scale nuclear attack, which implies stocks of 1000s of missiles where our reserves would be in hundreds at-most since we don`t see any major threat other than China.
 
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