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Or they could become more aggressive about their Nuclear policy which up until now was in the basement. One of these is pre emptive strikes like what we saw now with conventional weapons . The other would be first strike with N weapons if Iran actually got the bomb which I don't see possible under the present circumstances.The biggest weakness of Israel is its physical size, they seriously need more area otherwise it's so easy to destroy them once you bypass their AD. Everyone thought their AD is impenetrable but we saw what saturation did. They need serious work on their AD and need them in good quantity.
But for now It can be said that Israel is safe till USA is safe due to their biblical superstitions about Jews. For now they can work on better AD and other weapons. Later they might not get chances. I also think that they should look out for some other settlement areas for emergency situations, though it's my half cooked thought.
The biggest weakness of Israel is its physical size, they seriously need more area otherwise it's so easy to destroy them once you bypass their AD. Everyone thought their AD is impenetrable but we saw what saturation did. They need serious work on their AD and need them in good quantity.
But for now It can be said that Israel is safe till USA is safe due to their biblical superstitions about Jews. For now they can work on better AD and other weapons. Later they might not get chances. I also think that they should look out for some other settlement areas for emergency situations, though it's my half cooked thought.
Or they could become more aggressive about their Nuclear policy which up until now was in the basement. One of these is pre emptive strikes like what we saw now with conventional weapons . The other would be first strike with N weapons if Iran actually got the bomb which I don't see possible under the present circumstances.
Iran has been exposed as a paper tiger. If the mullahs proceed to revive their N program , countries like Israel & the US which thought ten times before the present won't even think twice before bombing those facilities in Iran.
What's the worst Iran can do ? Shoot off missiles ? They're already doing that with not much to show on the ground. Their proxy network has been rendered impotent for the time being. Any attempt to revive them will also be met by a severe response.
Basically Iran blew it up if it was the mastermind behind the Oct 2023 attacks by Hamas. Even if they didn't plan it , they should've put their foot down if they had an inkling Hamas was about to execute such a mission.
All these high profile attacks without much in terms of arms & armaments to go head up against the likes of Israel was foolish to say the least. Arguably that's the reason they were pursuing the N option.
It stands to reason then that Iran should have prevented any such attack till they had the N bomb. This isn't a professional thinking things through . This is purely a madrassa educated Mullah interfering in operations ordering professionals to follow his instructions.
Result - all that strategic planning which went into creating that infrastructure over 3 decades has gone - if not completely then is in a state of serious disrepair.
Astaghfirullah !
Or they could become more aggressive about their Nuclear policy which up until now was in the basement. One of these is pre emptive strikes like what we saw now with conventional weapons . The other would be first strike with N weapons if Iran actually got the bomb which I don't see possible under the present circumstances.
Iran has been exposed as a paper tiger. If the mullahs proceed to revive their N program , countries like Israel & the US which thought ten times before the present won't even think twice before bombing those facilities in Iran.
What's the worst Iran can do ? Shoot off missiles ? They're already doing that with not much to show on the ground. Their proxy network has been rendered impotent for the time being. Any attempt to revive them will also be met by a severe response.
Basically Iran blew it up if it was the mastermind behind the Oct 2023 attacks by Hamas. Even if they didn't plan it , they should've put their foot down if they had an inkling Hamas was about to execute such a mission.
All these high profile attacks without much in terms of arms & armaments to go head up against the likes of Israel was foolish to say the least. Arguably that's the reason they were pursuing the N option.
It stands to reason then that Iran should have prevented any such attack till they had the N bomb. This isn't a professional thinking things through . This is purely a madrassa educated Mullah interfering in operations ordering professionals to follow his instructions.
Result - all that strategic planning which went into creating that infrastructure over 3 decades has gone - if not completely then is in a state of serious disrepair.
Astaghfirullah !
How do you know how successful or how much of a failure the bombing was ? The Iranians themselves were observed to move things out of those N facilities in hundreds of trucks , operating day & night , in the days leading up to the bombings.The US failed to destroy and the Israelis did not even try do destroy the nuke facilities deep underground. It's not hollywood where it's easy for US/Israel do destroy the enemy.
To go up against Israel & the US they need cutting edge stuff even these countries lack & if say China does possess those state of the art weapons & systems why exactly would they share it with Iran ?Iran through badly needs jets and AD, it should buy whatever Russia can spare. Never go for Chini maal, everyone saw it's performance in Porkland.
Not possible. Their bluff has been called. Mullah regime is on borrowed time. Arguably it was true even earlier but their impotence has been exposed for the world & more importantly for their own country men to see .If they are serious about building the bomb they'll pretend to ((( reform ))) or ((( liberalize ))) to get the Jew & Amerimutt off their backs for many years.
Once they build and test the bomb it will go back to their good old behavior.
Yes & they aren't getting second chances .The main flaw of these mullahs is that they were boasting and threatening long before they actually had the bomb.
The Kim-Jongistanis by comparison kept a low profile until it was too late to stop them.
How do you know how successful or how much of a failure the bombing was ? The Iranians themselves were observed to move things out of those N facilities in hundreds of trucks , operating day & night , in the days leading up to the bombings.
If those sites were so secure why did the Iranians do what they did ?
To go up against Israel & the US they need cutting edge stuff even these countries lack & if say China does possess those state of the art weapons & systems why exactly would they share it with Iran ?
Long short story if you've limited means which the Iranians do , don't go about perpetrating spectacular incidents which in this case was the October 2023 incidents . Stick to low key stuff which keeps the Israelis & the Americans off balance.
Once you up the ante & start believing your own propaganda aka get high on your own supply , you'd get outcomes like what Fauji Foundation got last month or the Mullahs got this month , their victory parade & sense of jubilation notwithstanding.
Their objectives were those facilities & whatever they contained.US media citing intelligence has stated they didn't hit nuclear material.
Possibly because all those trucks carried off the material . Secondly those sites are hermetically sealed for all you know with debris from the bombing blocking all vents.IAEA didn't detect any increase in radiation.
Yes & what're you going to do with all that fissile material ? Build a bomb in your college physics lab ? Where's the infrastructure to re build those facilities set up over 3 decades going to come from now that the West especially the US & Israel would have every move the Mullahs make under the microscope.There were photos of movement at nuke sites days ago.
Russia took Iranian money & sat on delivery of their ADS & Su-35. Why do you think they did what they did ? That they love the Jews more or they hated the Mullahs more than they loved / hated the Jews ?The best counter to US is still Russia. Whether they will sell and deliver to Iran is their call.
Yes. And all they could get over the past 40 years , they got & it resulted in what you saw going up in smoke before their & your own eyes .Iran has no option, Israel will always look to attack them. So they need to get their hands on what they can.
Their objectives were those facilities & whatever they contained.
Possibly because all those trucks carried off the material . Secondly those sites are hermetically sealed for all you know with debris from the bombing blocking all vents.
Yes & what're you going to do with all that fissile material ? Build a bomb in your college physics lab ? Where's the infrastructure to re build those facilities set up over 3 decades going to come from now that the West especially the US & Israel would have every move the Mullahs make under the microscope.
Russia took Iranian money & sat on delivery of their ADS & Su-35. Why do you think they did what they did ? That they love the Jews more or they hated the Mullahs more than they loved / hated the Jews ?
Yes. And all they can get over the past 40 years , they got & it resulted in what you saw going up in smoke before their & your own eyes .
So contrary to what you think or however bad you feel for the Mullahs , the part in their book you're looking for is an epilogue not another chapter.
There is no evidence that US destroyed enriched uranium or even reached the facilities within the mountains. If you do, please cite it.
Iran doesn't have any option other than relying on Russia. No one else of quality will sell to them.
If you don't care why do you keep making such declarations every third or fourth post?I don't care for either jews or the mullas. They are both Abrahamic and can destroy each other.
Yes as a matter of fact I do. I believe our futures are intrinsically linked for as long as the entire stretch of land between Israel & India is of the colour green.You seem to care about jews.
I'm asking you to cite references which says there was absolutely no impact on these sites by the bombings since it is your contention that life will return to normal , as in , the Mullahs will get down to making the bomb for isn't that the crux of the matter or what we're arguing about here ?
Post here when the Russians do.
If you don't care why do you keep making such declarations every third or fourth post?
Yes as a matter of fact I do. I believe our futures are intrinsically linked for as long as the entire stretch of land between Israel & India is of the colour green.
If you want I can have an affidavit made & duly registered in a court of law before linking it here .
In return I expect you to reciprocate by issuing a similar affidavit stating you don't care what happens to either parties here so every time you post on this topic all I or anyone else has to do is link up your affidavit out here.
Alhamdulillah !
No the burden of proof is with the one who says that normal work as before will resume in some time , the advective some being subjective.The burden of proof is on you to prove there was significant impact. I have cited reputable media claiming the damage was limited. The mullahas can get back to making it in a manner of months based on the cited sources.
Please cite references to the counter.
I've told you this before - post here when they do.We are taking about future possibilities. Who knows what Russia is offering, if anything at all.
I don't care if you care about jews. They care about what happens to them, irrespective of the impact on us, we should do the same.
I never realised you had a sense of humour.Affidavits. Are you serious? We are on a public forum doing timepass.
Yup. This IS a revelation.Jews are US lapdogs anyway. Trump asked them to stop and they did as they don't have any other option. All their weapon systems are amreki.
No the burden of proof is with the one who says that normal work as before will resume in some time , the advective some being subjective.
Do you believe the Iranians will commence activities in those sites to build the Bomb & if so how long do you think they'd take to do so & in how much time would they have the bomb in your estimation ?
I've told you this before - post here when they do.
What makes you think we don't care about what impacts us ?
I never realised you had a sense of humour.
Yup. This IS a revelation.
Then we'd resume this discussion in a few months when the NYT would post news of Iran being a screwdriver away from the bomb.Read the headline of the NYT article I posted. It literally mentions work can restart in a few months.
If you don't want to agree, that's your problem. I don't know how far they are from having a functional nuke coupled with a delivery platform.
Ignored.I'll post what I feel when I feel, you can ignore.
I thought I was speaking for myself . Did you think I'm speaking for the GoI ?Israel doesnt care what happens to us over their interest. Why should they?
Sure . I must be now that I have your validation.The problem is you think you are funny. Well in a dumb way, maybe.
Thanks for the confirmation. I was really in doubt the first time you posted this.Yes, Israel is a lapdog of the US.
Then we'd resume this discussion then. Don't know about you but my time is valuable.
Ignored.
I thought I was speaking for myself . Did you think I'm speaking for the GoI ?
Sure . I must be now that I have your validation.
Thanks for the confirmation. I was really in doubt the first time you posted this.
Did I quote you or did you initiate the exchange when you quoted me ?You quoted me, I don't care about the discussion. You have no basis for your claims apart from your personal bias.
Rest is nonsense, ignored.
Come back. I enjoy chatting with jew fanboys.