Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (18 Viewers)

[liberalredditor]

are getting the mirage 2000 which we were having talks with qatar and greece? or the talks failed?

 

[randombully]

do we get these nuclear tipped missile from france??? can u provide some specifications of our air launched nuclear missile???

No.

We do not use, any missile for our fighter jets carrying nuke right now.
Some squads of our jaguar & Mirage 2k along with ground attack are also responsible for nuke delivery role.
They directly carry a 20 Kilo ton gravity based nuclear bomb under their fuselage.

As for whether we are planning to ditch gravity bombs, and field an air launch missile carrying a nuke to be fired from standoff distances by our fighter jets , there's no info out there in public.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

No.

We do not use, any missile for our fighter jets carrying nuke right now.
Some squads of our jaguar & Mirage 2k along with ground attack are also responsible for nuke delivery role.
They directly carry a 20 Kilo ton gravity based nuclear bomb under their fuselage.

As for whether we are planning to ditch gravity bombs, and field an air launch missile carrying a nuke to be fired from standoff distances by our fighter jets , there's no info out there in public.

then unfortunately we dont hv credible nuclear triad....how can we depend upon gravity based nuclear bomb?? they can be easily counter.
u said eariler we cant tipped our cruise missile with nuclear warhead. but if we hv gravity based nuclear bomb, we can easily tipped nuclear warhead in our cruise missile also. coz we can miniturize nuclear warhead.

 

[liberalredditor]

i just want gigaton yield bombs to destroy pigs with less missiles, why to waste it on these lowlife inbreds

 

[concard]

OPEX of MKI is extremely high. It eats up most of IAF's OPEX budget. You want more MKIs ? Get MoD / GoI to assure IAF of higher budget provisions.

Which brings me to an important point. Fifth Generation FAs are by their very nature extremely expensive to maintain viz the F-35.

Check on the OPEX budget & T&Cs for operation of the F-35 in the US. GAO reports would be a good starting point. It's due to this reason LM doesn't advice more than ~ 80 hours/ year in training time , likely less than that . That's ~ 6.5 hours / month . Instead training on simulators are strongly recommended .

Attaching the operating comparisons between F-35 ( & by extension a J-20 ) as compared to the Rafale courtesy a French member Picdelamirand-Oil from Strat Front.


Now think of what it's going to be for us once the AMCA Mk-1 becomes production ready given the mentality of our tenth pass Dhotis & BA ( Hons ) in Eng Literature Suits .

I have written the same thing in DFI and here as well. One of the reasons why I am not shivering that AMCA will not be a reality until 2035. 5th generation jets are highly maintenance intensive with high operational costs. I believe F-35B or F-35C availability is even worse. That is why our focus must be on Tejas MK2 and ORCA 4.5 generation aircrafts. We will figure out how to counter 5th generation jets in the mean time. But let's not compromise our plans with Tejas MK2, ORCA, and TEDBF.

By the way, F-35 pilots have also been instructed not to go supersonic because they lose their stealth coating.

When It Comes to Supersonic Flight, the F-35’s Wings Are Clipped

Sustained supersonic speeds could cause lasting damage to the F-35's stealth capabilities.

www.popularmechanics.com

People here who have been jerking off to importing F-35 or even Su-57 should understand what truly makes a 5th generation fighter aircraft. I don't consider Su-57 stealth or for that matter 5th generation. It has the planeform of a 5th generation fighter and nothing more. And also Russian aircraft desingers are still in the Soviet era emphasizing more on dog fights rather than network centric warfare and BVR fights.

I am completely against any more imports apart from 3 more squadrones that is 54 Rafales to bridge the gap until Tejas MK2 and any twin engine fighters are ready. I hope DRDO and GoI stick to the plan and roll out MK1A, MK2, ORCA, TEDBF, AMCA, own engine. Moving the goal posts and starting all over again is not an option.

 

[Spitfire IX]

are getting the mirage 2000 which we were having talks with qatar and greece? or the talks failed?

Peru may retire some soon, too.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

sry for including this here. i was watching 1 month old video of lucknow manufacturing opening unit of brahmos missile. In this video near 1:10 they mention that we did near 100+ test of brahmos till now (which they r saying world beating record).

View: https://youtu.be/KBsyAZdbsGk?si=ZoISwc5ASRmNxsLi
brahmos missile is near 3-4 million dollar in cost. so we use 300-400 million dollars only for brahmos missile test. just imagine if we r doing 100+ test of a missile, how many they r in our service. any one hv any idea how many brahmos we hv. once chinese exfart claim india hv 10000 of brahmos. which i personally dont think is possible. coz that would cost us 30-40 billion dollars.

 

[randombully]

brahmos missile is near 3-4 million dollar in cost. so we use 300-400 million dollars only for brahmos missile test.

3-4 million is assumed from orders placed.
Which also includes missiles with actual warheads, some have specialised warheads, maintinence, supply, company profit, some developmental cost, cost of integration into systems, for land based also cost of launcher vehicle, etc.

Test missile should be around 2 million dollars.


We have 1500+ brahmos right now, all services included.

 

[liberalredditor]

3-4 million is assumed from orders placed.
Which also includes missiles with actual warheads, some have specialised warheads, maintinence, supply, company profit, some developmental cost, cost of integration into systems, for land based also cost of launcher vehicle, etc.

Test missile should be around 2 million dollars.


We have 1500+ brahmos right now, all services included.

as brahmos is air breathing, i hope it would work in tibet if we want to nur khan the chowmein airbase

 

[randombully]

as brahmos is air breathing, i hope it would work in tibet if we want to nur khan the chowmein airbase

Aye?.


In normal mode, integral booster of brahmos takes it to mach2+ speeds and after that it is jettisonned and ramjet starts working and takes over, brahmos in normal mode uses it's ramjet and cruise at mach 2.5+ speeds at ~10+km altitude, can reach upto 15km if needed

Mount everest, the highest land point on earth, is at the altitude of 8.8 km.

 

[BON PLAN]

rafale uses ASMP-A missile, an upgraded version of the ASMP, arrived into French service in 2009. This version had an extended range of up to 500 km, and supported a new 300 kt thermonuclear warhead.

View attachment 42062

Features:
It is 5.38 m in length, 0.38 m in body diameter, and has a launch weight of 860 kg.
It is an inertial-guided, air-to-surface missile most likely directed by terrain-mapping and a pre-programmed onboard computer.
The motor assembly is comprised of a solid-propellant engine which fires after the missile has been released from the aircraft.
Upon ignition, the missile accelerates to Mach 2.0 in five seconds, after which the booster cartridge is ejected from the ramjet exhaust nozzle.

do we get these nuclear tipped missile from france??? can u provide some specifications of our air launched nuclear missile???

500km is the most favourable figure (ie fired from altitude, cruising all in altitude then a dive). speed is then somewhere mach 3.5
In a full low altitude the range is smaller. in the 100-150km. speed in the mach 2 class.

 

[randombully]

500km is the most favourable figure (ie fired from altitude, cruising all in altitude then a dive). speed is then somewhere mach 3.5
In a full low altitude the range is smaller. in the 100-150km. speed in the mach 2 class.

Hmm, is an air launched anti ship varient in works?
And the top speed is quoted to be mach 3 from what I know.

 

[shade2]

3-4 million is assumed from orders placed.
Which also includes missiles with actual warheads, some have specialised warheads, maintinence, supply, company profit, some developmental cost, cost of integration into systems, for land based also cost of launcher vehicle, etc.

Test missile should be around 2 million dollars.


We have 1500+ brahmos right now, all services included.

Absolutely based if true.

 

[Azaad]

sry for including this here. i was watching 1 month old video of lucknow manufacturing opening unit of brahmos missile. In this video near 1:10 they mention that we did near 100+ test of brahmos till now (which they r saying world beating record).

View: https://youtu.be/KBsyAZdbsGk?si=ZoISwc5ASRmNxsLi
brahmos missile is near 3-4 million dollar in cost. so we use 300-400 million dollars only for brahmos missile test. just imagine if we r doing 100+ test of a missile, how many they r in our service. any one hv any idea how many brahmos we hv. once chinese exfart claim india hv 10000 of brahmos. which i personally dont think is possible. coz that would cost us 30-40 billion dollars.

If we've actually tested 100 + missiles it should be categorised into pre development tests , user trials & finally random inventory tests.

Even if the last category turns out to be ~ 30-40 , you can assume our inventory should be a minimum ~ 3000 nos across our armed forces. Nobody tests more than 1-2% of the total inventory .

If you're really interested in the actual numbers , all you've to do is go through the annual reports of Godrej Industries since 1998 for they were / still are ( IIRC ) the sole vendors for the chassis of the .

Besides the is a dual use missile for tactical & strategic usage. That's the reason the MKIs were modified to carry them & the same number of MKIs were also tasked with service under the SFC.

A good deal of our testing is also to check for readiness & accuracy given its strategic role which sort of plays into improving its efficacy in tactical role as well.

Alhamdulillah !

 

[randombully]

Besides the is a dual use missile for tactical & strategic usage. That's the reason the MKIs were modified to carry them & the same number of MKIs were also tasked with service under the SFC.

No.
That's false, it was a flase report by some media houses, based on government approval to modify 42 su30mki to carry air launched brahmos in 2010s.

Those 42 mki's are under IAF.

Even, the nuke assigned squadrons of Mirage2k and Jags "come under IAF" and not under SFC.
Their command will be transferred to sfc in case of a nuclear crises if authorized.

Land and sea based nuke delivery platforms ( nuclear ballistic missiles & SSBM) remain always under sfc, as their only role is nuke delivery.


There is no, nuke armed brahmos varient.

 

[username unkown]

No.
That's false, it was a flase report by some media houses, based on government approval to modify 42 su30mki to carry air launched brahmos in 2010s.

Those 42 mki's are under IAF.

Didn't our old air chief marshal confirmed all su 30 mki can carry brahmos and nuclear brahmos

View: https://youtu.be/aWp6L8GUtDc?si=B62U5lEPIhPpr6q6

 

[randombully]

Didn't our old air chief marshal confirmed all su 30 mki can carry brahmos

View: https://youtu.be/aWp6L8GUtDc?si=B62U5lEPIhPpr6q6

All su30 can if their centre belly/undercarriage is modified and strengthened, and some modifications in wings.
40+ were approved, in 2012, first successful firing of brahmos from modified su30mki were completed in 2017.
Currently all modified su30s are delivered and are spread our in various squadrons according to the need.



Now there are plans to modify many more su30mkis in batch orders, Currently another batch of around 20 is supposed to start modification later this year, expected to be completed in 2027.

Second, you misunderstood what air Marshall said,plan is "all su30 squadrons" to become capable of brahmos launching.
Doesn't means all jets of a squadron will be capable of launching brahmos.

No.222 squadron was 1st su30mki squadron to be able to carry brahmos missile, in 2020.
This squadron has 18 su30mki, out of which 6 can carry brahmos, rest 12 can't.

So if we divide 42/6=7.
We can expect there are 7 squadrons of su30mki, where 6 jets in each squadron can carry brahmos.
Assuming equal distribution.

 

[Azaad]

No.
That's false, it was a flase report by some media houses, based on government approval to modify 42 su30mki to carry air launched brahmos in 2010s.

Those 42 mki's are under IAF.

Even, the nuke assigned squadrons of Mirage2k and Jags "come under IAF" and not under SFC.
Their command will be transferred to sfc in case of a nuclear crises if authorized.

Land and sea based nuke delivery platforms ( nuclear ballistic missiles & SSBM) remain always under sfc, as their only role is nuke delivery.


There is no, nuke armed brahmos varient.

Kyon bhe gandu dus baar bola , baat samajh mein nahin aa rahi tere ?

 

[randombully]

Kyon bhe gandu dus baar bola , baat samajh mein nahin aa rahi tere ?

Ah So you want to spread false news without being interrupted.

Sorry for interruption.

Carry on.

 

[Clawreed]

That would be very stupid of us. is the perfect weapon to carry out nuclear strikes. Why wouldn't we leverage it and leave it to those slow moving Jaguars carrying gravity nuke?

No.
That's false, it was a flase report by some media houses, based on government approval to modify 42 su30mki to carry air launched brahmos in 2010s.

Those 42 mki's are under IAF.

Even, the nuke assigned squadrons of Mirage2k and Jags "come under IAF" and not under SFC.
Their command will be transferred to sfc in case of a nuclear crises if authorized.

Land and sea based nuke delivery platforms ( nuclear ballistic missiles & SSBM) remain always under sfc, as their only role is nuke delivery.


There is no, nuke armed brahmos varient.