Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (269 Viewers)

[shade2]

I have been saying this for a long time, but GoI is too proud and retarted to understand.

One of the 2 superpowers (China) has territorial ambitions towards us, it has killed our troops openly, and consider a vast swath of our land as theirs.

Even a retarted goat will cozy up to the nearest next superpower willing to help you after what happened in 2020. Instead, we wanna be 3rd axis of power, a non-aligned state !

Not a single powerful country in the history of mankind became powerful in isolation. They built their empires using powerful alliances and joint military forces.

But amazingly, we have successfully dissociated oursevles from all big powers. If China captures DBO tomorrow (highly plausible) and Pakistan attacks us simultaneously, all the world powers are just gonna watch and laugh.

Govt is not interested in making us an Asian Ukraine, which is the US's scheme for us.

Neither is China like Russia to get tied down in a pointless war fought from Tibet over the Himalayas over silly ego issues.

Besides being a US ally vassal like you suggest, will mean we won't be able to ever attack US's other ally in the region, Pakistan.

This will be a Greece and Turkey relationship, but Turkey doesn't sponsor terrorists against Greece.

The GoI's L in this non-aligned paradigm is absolute apathy towards defense, neither imports, nor spending on domestic projects, no seriousness at all.

 

[randombully]

Also what's the difference in capabilities between ROCKS and Air LORA? I believe ROCKS has already been inducted in IAF as Crystal Maze 2.

Rocks/crystal maze 2.
Warhead weight ~125kg.
Range 250km.

Rudram 2
Warhead weight ~200-250kg.
Range - 300-350km.


Rudram 2 & 3 will more like manurable missiles with lofted trajectory, lot more unpredictable path and movement compared to typical quasi ballistic missile.

Crystal Maze 2, lora etc are more like air launched guided artillery rocket, with typical quasi ballistic trajectory.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Finally finished setting up IAF vs PAF scenario. Lets see how this plays out.
- In this scenario, IAF will initiate strikes but PAF is ready for AA combat and counter strikes on predetermined targets. Both Indian and Pakistan AD is setup and active.
- There is a HQ-9P and HQ-16A in Lahore
- Pakistan side has access to all Chinese satellites along with GPS & Beidou
- Indian side has access to all Indian satellites along with GPS, Navic & Glonass.
- Indian strike targets are Nur Khan, GHQ, Sargodha, Rafiqui. The first round weapons are Scalp EG, LORA, -A. SSM will also open up in second round after Pakistan response.
- Pakistan targets in the first round are Adampur and Halwara. CM400 in CMO is only anti-surface (ship) and not land attack so gave them Chinese M7 missiles (flight profile & terminal speed similar to CM400, M7 is 1800 knots vs 1600 knots for CM400) to mimic CM400 ASM attacks. In second round, Babur CM will be used to target Ambala and Bathinda in addition to previous targets.

 

[rockdog]

Finally finished setting up IAF vs PAF scenario. Lets see how this plays out.
- In this scenario, IAF will initiate strikes but PAF is ready for AA combat and counter strikes on predetermined targets. Both Indian and Pakistan AD is setup and active.
- There is a HQ-9P and HQ-16A in Lahore
- Pakistan side has access to all Chinese satellites along with GPS & Beidou
- Indian side has access to all Indian satellites along with GPS, Navic & Glonass.
- Indian strike targets are Nur Khan, GHQ, Sargodha, Rafiqui. The first round weapons are Scalp EG, LORA, -A. SSM will also open up in second round after Pakistan response.
- Pakistan targets in the first round are Adampur and Halwara. CM400 in CMO is only anti-surface (ship) and not land attack so gave them Chinese M7 missiles (flight profile & terminal speed similar to CM400, M7 is 1800 knots vs 1600 knots for CM400) to mimic CM400 ASM attacks. In second round, Babur CM will be used to target Ambala and Bathinda in addition to previous targets.
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https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/1916268874095101672?share_code=ACfd77X82Qlf&utm_psn=1924872055708431822

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https://www.zhihu.com/question/1903451836607858415/answer/1904265557018121947?share_code=1bjH9j1U7bGZA&utm_psn=1924872288412606757

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

based on what he is saying, there is equal chance that pakis were getting live inputs from pentagon as well during that particular phone call. based on what is in public so far, chini haven't shown any interest publicly in stopping this escalation, muricans did.

Presumably Unkil wanted , india to finish or halt the operation asap, so that they could get paki on their side for upcoming offensive against Iran.

There is a chance that govt is not willing to reveal that USA helped pakis with Intel and instead trying to highlight China and turkey more.

 

[shade2]

Presumably Unkil wanted , india to finish or halt the operation asap, so that they could get paki on their side for upcoming offensive against Iran.

There is a chance that govt is not willing to reveal that USA helped pakis with Intel and instead trying to highlight China and turkey more.

Amerisharts might have threatened that they will give #Phull ISR #Sapport to Pakistan is we don't cheesefire, Tariffs alag se.

To prove their point they might have started providing ISR data to Pakis as a "demo" of what happens if we don't stop.

 

[Guynxdor]

View: https://x.com/avarakai/status/1941419392199426060?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

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Rudram-III was supposed to be the indigenous ALBM, ig this is emergency procurement for the time being ?

 

[randombully]

Rudram-III was supposed to be the indigenous ALBM, ig this is emergency procurement for the time being ?

It's a larger & heavier missile, with warhead that is more than twice as heavy as of rudram 2&3.
It has less range than rudram 3, it also have less sophisticated flight trajectory.

It's more of a air launched varient of large guided rocket.
It has a range of 400km max.
It's original ground launched varient had range of 280km.

LORA | Missile Threat

The LORA (Long Range Artillery) is a short-range, road-mobile, ground and sea-launched solid fueled ballistic missile developed and operated by Israel. It has a range of 280 km. LORA Development According to reports in 2005, the LORA was the result of a collaboration between Israel Aerospace...

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[Sanglamorre]

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We need to change the name when/if we induct this. Can't have a Sindoor like scenario where Arnab and others keep shouting lora lora lora 24*7, hawai lora, ground lora, chhote markaz mein bade bade lore type coverage.

 

[shade2]

We need to change the name when/if we induct this. Can't have a Sindoor like scenario where Arnab and others keep shouting lora lora lora 24*7, hawai lora, ground lora, chhote markaz mein bade bade lore type coverage.

No, don't change the name.
It will be narrative war gold.

Imagine the innuendos and puns

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

I have been saying this for a long time, but GoI is too proud and retarted to understand.

One of the 2 superpowers (China) has territorial ambitions towards us, it has killed our troops openly, and consider a vast swath of our land as theirs.

Even a retarted goat will cozy up to the nearest next superpower willing to help you after what happened in 2020. Instead, we wanna be 3rd axis of power, a non-aligned state !

Not a single powerful country in the history of mankind became powerful in isolation. They built their empires using powerful alliances and joint military forces.

But amazingly, we have successfully dissociated oursevles from all big powers. If China captures DBO tomorrow (highly plausible) and Pakistan attacks us simultaneously, all the world powers are just gonna watch and laugh.

How have India spurned the US or EU or Russians???
The onus is not on India alone. We are not a small state. We can't be treated like one. JP may have had a larger economy but they were vassalized in WW2 and similarly EU. If US truly want an ally, which India want to be, the onus is on west too. The west should recognize genuine indian sensitivities.

India has provided west more market access than CN and has been very friendly and sensitive to western sensitivities. So, Its not India but West which actually is sabotaging relationship with India and accussing India. It will not work. It can't work.

Infact, If we look closely India has actually been more sensitive and yielding to western demands. It doesn't need to. What has west actually helped India with??? Tell me??? West has not helped India in anyway. West has enjoyed our trade, that too in its own interest. India do not get same market access in west as west gets in India.

 

[redpanda]

How have India spurned the US or EU or Russians???
The onus is not on India alone. We are not a small state. We can't be treated like one. JP may have had a larger economy but they were vassalized in WW2 and similarly EU. If US truly want an ally, which India want to be, the onus is on west too. The west should recognize genuine indian sensitivities.

India has provided west more market access than CN and has been very friendly and sensitive to western sensitivities. So, Its not India but West which actually is sabotaging relationship with India and accussing India. It will not work. It can't work.

Infact, If we look closely India has actually been more sensitive and yielding to western demands. It doesn't need to. What has west actually helped India with??? Tell me??? West has not helped India in anyway. West has enjoyed our trade, that too in its own interest. India do not get same market access in west as west gets in India.

Exactly it is myth India hasn't been courting USA enough. We have done whatever we can to court them. There is limit to what India can do for them. We have signed LEMOA and MRSA with them. We are behaving like an ally not an adversary to them for a long time. It is not India's fault that India doesn't want to be their vassaldom. They want an ally we will become an ally, but they need to stop demanding us to be a vassal state. Its like dealing with the devil, he won't be satisfied how much you give it. He will keep asking your for more and more, until a husk of your previous self remain. That is why those french also keep USA an arm length apart.

 

[redpanda]

It’s very easy, almost lazy, to say that India should simply "cozy up" to the United States to counter China. But geopolitics is not that simplistic. The India–US relationship is layered, and it demands far more nuance than blind alignment. There is a reason why successive Indian governments, from the Cold War era to Vajpayee’s time and even today, have remained cautious about overcommitting to Washington’s strategic orbit.

Yes, the China threat is real. But jumping headfirst into a US-led alliance system carries long-term consequences. Becoming too close to the United States opens the door to pressures that may not align with India’s national interests. This is precisely why liberalisation slowed even under pro-reform leaders like Vajpayee. Strategic decisions must be made on our terms, not out of fear or ideological alignment.

The United States rarely offers open-ended partnerships. It offers terms, often with expectations of alignment on issues that may not serve Indian interests. Strategic autonomy is not just a slogan for India. It is a core doctrine. Take Japan as a cautionary example. In the 1980s, as Japan's economy surged and began rivaling that of the US, Washington intervened aggressively. The Plaza Accord of 1985, pushed by the US, led to a sharp appreciation of the yen, which in turn triggered asset bubbles and eventually the Japanese economic crisis of the 1990s. This was not just economic diplomacy, it was an imposition that reshaped Japan's trajectory. On the strategic side, decades of dependence on US military protection have limited its ability to act independently in its own neighbourhood. Is that the direction India should move toward?

Now imagine a scenario where Pakistan Airforce fires a missile that destroy a part of Kartavya Path in Delhi. Do we wait for clearance from the Pentagon before retaliating? Do we consult State Department mood boards before deciding how, when, and where to defend our homeland?

India cannot and should not allow its security priorities to be dictated by the political calculations of another country, however friendly it may be.

This is why India maintains a transactional, issue-based, and interest-driven relationship with the United States. We cooperate on defense, technology, trade, and climate. But we do not bind our sovereignty to the strategic imperatives of any other power. We will engage, we will collaborate, we will partner—but we will not surrender our independent decision-making.

India deals with the United States not as a client state, but as a civilisational power with its own path and priorities. To some it might sound like just a slogan or some beliefs. However, we are doing this because our policy makers have realised the problem with over committing to the west. The goods and the bad, the merits and the demerits. Don't forget we have been trying to court US since the times of Nehru. Even Rajiv Gandhi tried to go above and beyond to court USA, which lead to what? Whose pressure stopped Vajpayee government from punishing Pakistan for Kargil? Who's pressure do you think has pushed us to make those ridiculous ROEs? The same USA. We are already comprising a lot to please them. How much do some folks here want us to sacrifice to the great satan? We have already sacrificed the body enough, shall we also sacrifice the soul?

 

[shade2]

Look at Japan. Decades of dependence on US military protection have limited its ability to act independently in its own neighbourhood. Is that the direction India should move toward?

Now imagine a scenario where Pakistan Airforce fires a missile that destroy a part of Kartavya Path in Delhi. Do we wait for clearance from the Pentagon before retaliating? Do we consult State Department mood boards before deciding how, when, and where to defend our homeland?

India cannot and should not allow its security priorities to be dictated by the political calculations of another country, however friendly it may be.

In March 2010 a South Korean Corvette, Cheonan was sunk.
Now we all can guess who did it, but they had to do investigation to confirm this obvious fact.

North Korean torpedo sank Cheonan, South Korea military source claims

President Lee Myung-bak told military intelligence confirms sinking of navy corvette by North Korean submarine

www.theguardian.com

Anyway at the time the South Korean awaam ofc wanted revenge right?
Their leaders also made statements about clapping back at the Kim Jongistanis

But what happened?
Nothing.

You can see below the Low IQ cope of "because over 9000000 million worst koreans live under the artillery of the 3000 black cannons of Kim Jong Un"


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ofc the true answer is Uncle Sam didn't want to get involved in another foreign war for the sake of his """""allies""""" incase anything escalates


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And therefore he pressured the SK govt to become Manmohan.

SK has F-16s, F-15s, F-35s, E-7 AWACS today, even in 2010 they were head and shoulders above their KimJong worshipping neighbors.

Kya faida?

North Korea: 'No apology' for S Korea Cheonan sinking

North Korea rejects South Korean calls for an apology over the sinking of a warship, almost five years after the disaster killed 46 sailors.

www.bbc.com

Meanwhile Naarth Koreans don't even want to give an apology, nor do they accept they sunk it


Many such gems can also be found over Greece and Turkey, especially over Cyprus, and both as US allies over there.

 

[redpanda]

In March 2010 a South Korean Corvette, Cheonan was sunk.
Now we all can guess who did it, but they had to do investigation to confirm this obvious fact.

North Korean torpedo sank Cheonan, South Korea military source claims

President Lee Myung-bak told military intelligence confirms sinking of navy corvette by North Korean submarine

www.theguardian.com

Anyway at the time the South Korean awaam ofc wanted revenge right?
Their leaders also made statements about clapping back at the Kim Jongistanis

But what happened?
Nothing.

You can see below the Low IQ cope of "because over 9000000 million worst koreans live under the artillery of the 3000 black cannons of Kim Jong Un"


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/1i05u6a/comment/m6vcvam/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

ofc the true answer is Uncle Sam didn't want to get involved in another foreign war for the sake of his """""allies""""" incase anything escalates


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/1i05u6a/comment/m6w0pmg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

And therefore he pressured the SK govt to become Manmohan.

SK has F-16s, F-15s, F-35s, E-7 AWACS today, even in 2010 they were head and shoulders above their KimJong worshipping neighbors.

Kya faida?

North Korea: 'No apology' for S Korea Cheonan sinking

North Korea rejects South Korean calls for an apology over the sinking of a warship, almost five years after the disaster killed 46 sailors.

www.bbc.com

Meanwhile Naarth Koreans don't even want to give an apology, nor do they accept they sunk it


Many such gems can also be found over Greece and Turkey, especially over Cyprus, and both as US allies over there.

See this is why I say it's a delusional dream to think that the lord and saviour bald vulture of USA will come to save us when the great Snake of Hanland attacks us. We were on our own, we are mostly on our own and we will remain to be mostly on our own. That is the sourpill all of us need to consume.

All those stupid ROEs we have made is also there because of whims of the great Satan whose symbol is a bald vulture masquerading as eagle.

 

[shade2]

See this is why I say it's a delusional dream to think that the lord and saviour bald vulture of USA will come to save us when the great Snake of Hanland attacks us. We were on our own, we are mostly on our own and we will remain to be mostly on our own. That is the sourpill all of us need to consume.

You are talking about China?

NK torpedoed a SK boat and got away without any clapback.

Pakistan can do a hundred pahalgams and 26/11 and get away in the same manner.

Almost like how Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied it, while Greece was in the cuckshed because the anti-commie Junta over there suckled from the US teat, and Turkey and Greece were NATO """"""""allies"""""""""

Context Cyprus is an island with majority greek population and before Ottomans was Greek for thousands of years, however it wasn't part of the country of Greece today

Why didn't Greece intervene against the Turkish invasion on Cyprus in 1974?

Answer (1 of 16): As far as I know, Turkey is about 70 km distance from Cyprus, it is about 2 hours with ship, but Greece is about 18 hours with ship. It means, the Greek supply was about nine times slower. On the other hand, according to the international agreements, Greece, Turkey and GBr. had ...

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Turkey ofc was more important to the US( muh black sea counter to USSR ), so they looked the other way while Turkey did a partial anschluss of Cyprus.

Literally tomorrow the Turks can grab Rhodes or any of the Greek islands close to the Turkish coast if Erdogand finds the balls to do so, America will do nothing since once again, "gotta keep those Russians in the Black Sea, and thanks for getting rid of Assad"

 

[redpanda]

You are talking about China?

NK torpedoed a SK boat and got away without any clapback.

Pakistan can do a hundred pahalgams and 26/11 and get away in the same manner.

Almost like how Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied it, while Greece was in the cuckshed because the anti-commie Junta over there suckled from the US teat, and Turkey and Greece were NATO """"""""allies"""""""""

Context Cyprus is an island with majority greek population and before Ottomans was Greek for thousands of years, however it wasn't part of the country of Greece today

Why didn't Greece intervene against the Turkish invasion on Cyprus in 1974?

Answer (1 of 16): As far as I know, Turkey is about 70 km distance from Cyprus, it is about 2 hours with ship, but Greece is about 18 hours with ship. It means, the Greek supply was about nine times slower. On the other hand, according to the international agreements, Greece, Turkey and GBr. had ...

www.quora.com

Turkey ofc was more important to the US( muh black sea counter to USSR ), so they looked the other way while Turkey did a partial anschluss of Cyprus.

Literally tomorrow the Turks can grab Rhodes or any of the Greek islands close to the Turkish coast if Erdogand finds the balls to do so, America will do nothing since once again, "gotta keep those Russians in the Black Sea, and thanks for getting rid of Assad"

At this rate tomorrow US will ask us to give K of J&K to Pakistan for alleged protection against China, some sweet sweet trade deal and a fabulous dinner with Mr. President of United Satan Association. And just like Greece we will be biting our teeths while their whore comes and throw a tantrum at our place and runs away without any consequences

 

[shade2]

At this rate tomorrow US will ask us to give K of J&K to Pakistan for alleged protection against China, some sweet sweet trade deal and a fabulous dinner with Mr. President of United Satan Association. And just like Greece we will be biting our teeths while their whore comes and throw a tantrum at our place and runs away without any consequences

I'm not sure but they( US & UK ) tried this during the '65 war by arms embargoing us.
This was done in a sem2sem and equal equal manner

Piglets saw this as a betrayal and did dostana with China
India saw this also as a betrayal and eventually made a Deal with the Soviet """""devil""""""

Earlier both were friendly with the US and both purchased arms from the Bri'ish merchant.

Yesterday's arms embargo is today's tariff threat and trade deal dhamki.

 

[shade2]

I give full support to the Indian state's strategic autonomy and fence setting foreign policy.

My only problem is Leaderji being chindi with Defense spending in absolute terms, not willing to spend on expensive and guaranteed delivery imports nor on long lead time domestic weapons development.

If you want to be chindi better sell our country to the US and become their rakhail, you can spend 1% of GDP on defense which will be enough to cover OROP and any opex.

But if you want to put this strategic autonomy into action, open the wallets and spend to build up our armed forces.

Simple As.