Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (57 Viewers)

[eastern_bhartiya]

Can't resist posting this.


View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1941192790303703045?t=ZM6N-3SjVgHtDkThacy9ug&s=19

Is he also an astrologer? Bcoz the timing he is predicting is 'near' accurate in astrological sense... more accurate would be 18th to 23rd July.

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I mean , I won't use astrology of all things to predict an military action, but jaishankar will be on China visit from 13-15 this month that could mean something

 

[randombully]

CEP is an issue with BMs. The best BMs we possess has 30m CEP at optimal angle.

30m CEP is more than enough.

We posses all the base to develop a highly accurate BM if required.

 

[silentassassin265]

30m CEP is more than enough.

We posses all the base to develop a highly accurate BM if required.

Cep of bm have improved dramatically as guidance system have become more cheaper and compact.
We are seeing lot more air launched mb now
Rudram
Rocks
Rampage
Lora

 

[randombully]

Cep of bm have improved dramatically as guidance system have become more cheaper and compact.
We are seeing lot more air launched mb now
Rudram
Rocks
Rampage
Lora

Indeed
But,Were talking about CEP of an possible agni5 based bunker buster, with a heavy 8 ton re-entry warhead.

 

[MasterChief]

based on what he is saying, there is equal chance that pakis were getting live inputs from pentagon as well during that particular phone call. based on what is in public so far, chini haven't shown any interest publicly in stopping this escalation, muricans did.

The deputy COAS coming out in the open , alleging chinese live intelligence inputs to Pakistan during Operation Sindoor.. maybe an effort by India to get clarity on how much live operational input was being provided by the Chinese, or whether US also provided these inputs to Pakistan.
Afterall Pakistan is still a major non NATO Ally of US. India is not..
He said 4 adversaries, then 3 .. was America left out ..

 

[Cereal Killer]

What's the point of this again? Is Rudram 2/3 not coming? Import lobby strikes or what?

View: https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1941087708312703095?t=s83g0vPggak_4eEDH79VgA&s=19

 

[snakeeyes07]

What's the point of this again? Is Rudram 2/3 not coming? Import lobby strikes or what?

View: https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1941087708312703095?t=s83g0vPggak_4eEDH79VgA&s=19

I think given the current security situation time is of essence. LORA can fill in immediate requirement till RUDRAM 2/3 are inducted. With 2 front conflict becoming more and more certain, there is ample space for both LORA and RUDRAM 2/3 (especially given their ARM role).

I had say additional Israeli munitions which were very successful in SEAD/DEAD against Iran should be procured off the shelf as well to fill up immediate requirements.

 

[snakeeyes07]

What's the point of this again? Is Rudram 2/3 not coming? Import lobby strikes or what?

View: https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1941087708312703095?t=s83g0vPggak_4eEDH79VgA&s=19

Also what's the difference in capabilities between ROCKS and Air LORA? I believe ROCKS has already been inducted in IAF as Crystal Maze 2.

 

[randombully]

I think given the current security situation time is of essence. LORA can fill in immediate requirement till RUDRAM 2/3 are inducted. With 2 front conflict becoming more and more certain, there is ample space for both LORA and RUDRAM 2/3 (especially given their ARM role).


I had say additional Israeli munitions which were very successful in SEAD/DEAD against Iran should be procured off the shelf as well to fill up immediate requirements.

Lora's is bigger missile with bigger warhead.
570 kg warhead.
1.6 ton weight
~400km range, cep ~10m

Rudram 2 &3 are designed to have 200-250kg warhead. And more difficult to intercept flight path

 

[sunnyv]

Air Lora is being pursued because of range, functionality in an GPS denied environment and amount of warhead in a single vector. In addition ALBM is an excellent choice against an adversary which has AD structured with SRSAD and MRSAM instead of air-defence dominated by BMD/LRSAM and High Altitude SAM Interceptors. While Porkis may not have High altitude interceptors at this moment first strike with ALBM would be highly effective against them. But in case of adversary like Chongs with High altitude interceptors first strike with Terrain hugging CMs would be highly effective. Anyways all these are theoretical scenarios actual ground defence goes for a SIX once a proper SEAD / DEAD is done by an adversary. IAF would rely on mix of Loitering munition, CMs and BMs for a HVT. Perhaps Rawalpindi Command HQ is being shifted to an underground facility after OP Sindoor for this precise reason.

 

[shade2]

I have been saying this for a long time, but GoI is too proud and retarted to understand.

One of the 2 superpowers (China) has territorial ambitions towards us, it has killed our troops openly, and consider a vast swath of our land as theirs.

Even a retarted goat will cozy up to the nearest next superpower willing to help you after what happened in 2020. Instead, we wanna be 3rd axis of power, a non-aligned state !

Not a single powerful country in the history of mankind became powerful in isolation. They built their empires using powerful alliances and joint military forces.

But amazingly, we have successfully dissociated oursevles from all big powers. If China captures DBO tomorrow (highly plausible) and Pakistan attacks us simultaneously, all the world powers are just gonna watch and laugh.

Govt is not interested in making us an Asian Ukraine, which is the US's scheme for us.

Neither is China like Russia to get tied down in a pointless war fought from Tibet over the Himalayas over silly ego issues.

Besides being a US ally vassal like you suggest, will mean we won't be able to ever attack US's other ally in the region, Pakistan.

This will be a Greece and Turkey relationship, but Turkey doesn't sponsor terrorists against Greece.

The GoI's L in this non-aligned paradigm is absolute apathy towards defense, neither imports, nor spending on domestic projects, no seriousness at all.

 

[randombully]

Also what's the difference in capabilities between ROCKS and Air LORA? I believe ROCKS has already been inducted in IAF as Crystal Maze 2.

Rocks/crystal maze 2.
Warhead weight ~125kg.
Range 250km.

Rudram 2
Warhead weight ~200-250kg.
Range - 300-350km.


Rudram 2 & 3 will more like manurable missiles with lofted trajectory, lot more unpredictable path and movement compared to typical quasi ballistic missile.

Crystal Maze 2, lora etc are more like air launched guided artillery rocket, with typical quasi ballistic trajectory.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Finally finished setting up IAF vs PAF scenario. Lets see how this plays out.
- In this scenario, IAF will initiate strikes but PAF is ready for AA combat and counter strikes on predetermined targets. Both Indian and Pakistan AD is setup and active.
- There is a HQ-9P and HQ-16A in Lahore
- Pakistan side has access to all Chinese satellites along with GPS & Beidou
- Indian side has access to all Indian satellites along with GPS, Navic & Glonass.
- Indian strike targets are Nur Khan, GHQ, Sargodha, Rafiqui. The first round weapons are Scalp EG, LORA, -A. SSM will also open up in second round after Pakistan response.
- Pakistan targets in the first round are Adampur and Halwara. CM400 in CMO is only anti-surface (ship) and not land attack so gave them Chinese M7 missiles (flight profile & terminal speed similar to CM400, M7 is 1800 knots vs 1600 knots for CM400) to mimic CM400 ASM attacks. In second round, Babur CM will be used to target Ambala and Bathinda in addition to previous targets.

 

[rockdog]

Finally finished setting up IAF vs PAF scenario. Lets see how this plays out.
- In this scenario, IAF will initiate strikes but PAF is ready for AA combat and counter strikes on predetermined targets. Both Indian and Pakistan AD is setup and active.
- There is a HQ-9P and HQ-16A in Lahore
- Pakistan side has access to all Chinese satellites along with GPS & Beidou
- Indian side has access to all Indian satellites along with GPS, Navic & Glonass.
- Indian strike targets are Nur Khan, GHQ, Sargodha, Rafiqui. The first round weapons are Scalp EG, LORA, -A. SSM will also open up in second round after Pakistan response.
- Pakistan targets in the first round are Adampur and Halwara. CM400 in CMO is only anti-surface (ship) and not land attack so gave them Chinese M7 missiles (flight profile & terminal speed similar to CM400, M7 is 1800 knots vs 1600 knots for CM400) to mimic CM400 ASM attacks. In second round, Babur CM will be used to target Ambala and Bathinda in addition to previous targets.
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Our community had two version of simulation:

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By Harpon V

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/1916268874095101672?share_code=ACfd77X82Qlf&utm_psn=1924872055708431822

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https://www.zhihu.com/question/1903451836607858415/answer/1904265557018121947?share_code=1bjH9j1U7bGZA&utm_psn=1924872288412606757

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

based on what he is saying, there is equal chance that pakis were getting live inputs from pentagon as well during that particular phone call. based on what is in public so far, chini haven't shown any interest publicly in stopping this escalation, muricans did.

Presumably Unkil wanted , india to finish or halt the operation asap, so that they could get paki on their side for upcoming offensive against Iran.

There is a chance that govt is not willing to reveal that USA helped pakis with Intel and instead trying to highlight China and turkey more.

 

[shade2]

Presumably Unkil wanted , india to finish or halt the operation asap, so that they could get paki on their side for upcoming offensive against Iran.

There is a chance that govt is not willing to reveal that USA helped pakis with Intel and instead trying to highlight China and turkey more.

Amerisharts might have threatened that they will give #Phull ISR #Sapport to Pakistan is we don't cheesefire, Tariffs alag se.

To prove their point they might have started providing ISR data to Pakis as a "demo" of what happens if we don't stop.

 

[Guynxdor]

View: https://x.com/avarakai/status/1941419392199426060?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

View: https://x.com/avarakai/status/1941419392199426060?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

Rudram-III was supposed to be the indigenous ALBM, ig this is emergency procurement for the time being ?

 

[randombully]

Rudram-III was supposed to be the indigenous ALBM, ig this is emergency procurement for the time being ?

It's a larger & heavier missile, with warhead that is more than twice as heavy as of rudram 2&3.
It has less range than rudram 3, it also have less sophisticated flight trajectory.

It's more of a air launched varient of large guided rocket.
It has a range of 400km max.
It's original ground launched varient had range of 280km.

LORA | Missile Threat

The LORA (Long Range Artillery) is a short-range, road-mobile, ground and sea-launched solid fueled ballistic missile developed and operated by Israel. It has a range of 280 km. LORA Development According to reports in 2005, the LORA was the result of a collaboration between Israel Aerospace...

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[Sanglamorre]

View: https://x.com/avarakai/status/1941419392199426060?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

We need to change the name when/if we induct this. Can't have a Sindoor like scenario where Arnab and others keep shouting lora lora lora 24*7, hawai lora, ground lora, chhote markaz mein bade bade lore type coverage.