Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (211 Viewers)

[Cereal Killer]

As far as I know they haven't ordered 150 rudram-1 missiles
Still under some files
Media wale jitna importance chilaye jab tak iaf ke gand nahi jalengi tab tak woh file nahi uthaya jayega

EoD India has nothing it trusts enough to use in combat sans which Russkies help us build. It's frustrating af.
Astra 1's kill was also denied thanks to stupid RoE's

 

[shade2]

As far as I know they haven't ordered 150 rudram-1 missiles
Still under some files
Media wale jitna importance chilaye jab tak iaf ke gand nahi jalengi tab tak woh file nahi uthaya jayega

The next time when they have to do SEAD/DEAD and whatever Russian ARM they have is inadequate maybe they'll remember Rudram-1

Thank God the Israelis don't have their own ARM that they sell.

 

[redpanda]

IThe next time when they have to do SEAD/DEAD and whatever Russian ARM they have is inadequate maybe they'll remember Rudram-1

Thank God the Israelis don't have their own ARM that they sell.

IAF doesn't even order anything on time even when they have indigenous option available. Chalo Tejas isn't ready, that is HAL and cos fault. But what stopping IAF from inducting all those missiles that have been cleared for induction. They have so much scrutiny over any of our indigenous products. They can always induct in limited quantity and test it themselves to give feedback to the maker. Same IAF jumps for any imported missiles without much questions because "well tested weapons saar". And here some folks I shall not name makes IAF seems like victim of MoD and DPSUs. When they have also been one of the guys with Phawda alongside MoD and DPSUs babus that dig this hole for themselves..

 

[jaijaganath]

IAF doesn't even order anything on time even when they have indigenous option available. Chalo Tejas isn't ready, that is HAL and cos fault. But what stopping IAF from inducting all those missiles that have been cleared for induction. They have so much scrutiny over any of our indigenous products. They can always induct in limited quantity and test it themselves to give feedback to the maker. Same IAF jumps for any imported missiles without much questions because "well tested weapons saar". And here some folks I shall not name makes IAF seems like victim of MoD and DPSUs. When they have also been one of the guys with Phawda alongside MoD and DPSUs babus that dig this hole for themselves..

IAF can induct many things
Rudram-1 and 2(few user tests are remaining)
Gaurav and Gautam
indigenous PGMs
And many other things
Jab tak gand main danda nahi tab tak kuch nahi hoga

 

[jaijaganath]

Is there any context to hellfire's tweet or is he just replying to some random guy's tweets somewhere?

sanctions/embargo is a very real possibility.

He is stating why we need to consider USA in our equation
We cant disobey them especially with someone like trump in power
They can grab our balls

 

[fire starter]

IAF doesn't even order anything on time even when they have indigenous option available. Chalo Tejas isn't ready, that is HAL and cos fault. But what stopping IAF from inducting all those missiles that have been cleared for induction. They have so much scrutiny over any of our indigenous products. They can always induct in limited quantity and test it themselves to give feedback to the maker. Same IAF jumps for any imported missiles without much questions because "well tested weapons saar". And here some folks I shall not name makes IAF seems like victim of MoD and DPSUs. When they have also been one of the guys with Phawda alongside MoD and DPSUs babus that dig this hole for themselves..View attachment 42371

50kg heavy saar.

If this is not dalali and sabotage then what else.

They have no problem in inducting half baked foreign maal magar indigenous system order karne me gaand sulag jaati hai.

View: https://x.com/defenceglobe/status/1941525851557986345?t=W-pWsRygw0jyHIR2J40xuA&s=19

 

[randombully]

Rudram-1 and 2(few user tests are remaining)

If further delay in user trails **doesn't** happen, then user trails can be concluded in late 2025-early 2026.
With "limited series production" starting in late 2026-early 2027.

Due to delays in user trail, rudram 1 and 2 will have their production start at similar time.


In "User trails" IAF tests the missiles in "realistic wartime scenarios".
So it's not just attaching a missile, flying and firing it, as done in validation trails.

The modified su30mki testbed for user trails was delayed until late 2024.
The modified testbed is modified for all three rudram 1,2,3 missiles.
Su30 mki was given for modifications in late 2023.
So IAF delayed in providing testbed to be modified for a year when captive trails for rudram 1 were completed in 2022, and it took approx an entire year to modify a su30 just to become compatible with another missile.
So user trails began in late 2024.

So that's basically the saga of rudram 1 induction delay by 2-3 years than expected.
Further delays are further possible.

 

[shade2]

He is stating why we need to consider USA in our equation
We cant disobey them especially with someone like trump in power
They can grab our balls

We can, what he is saying, he assumes we becomes a pariah like Iran.

All we have to do is tank any threats and tariffs/sanctions/embargoes till we destroy PAF and PN assets, and also PA storage depos or platforms..

In the months or maybe year after that do I'M SORRY SAAAR diplomacy and concessions to get the sanctions removed.
Maybe dial up Tim Apple and other invested Corpos to also do some lobbying.

The heaviest sanctions on China post tiananmen square massacre were removed in 2 years, however the arms embargo remained and that was a good thing for the Chings.

This all assumes Govt's objective is to do serious damage to Fauji Foundation.


If them having us by the balls was so definite you wouldn't see regime change mobs against leaderji, pannun-nijjer issue, GE engine drama etc, we would just obey the farmans out of Washington.

We do have some latitude but it's risky.

 

[shade2]

50kg heavy saar.

If this is not dalali and sabotage then what else.

They have no problem in inducting half baked foreign maal magar indigenous system order karne me gaand sulag jaati hai.

View: https://x.com/defenceglobe/status/1941525851557986345?t=W-pWsRygw0jyHIR2J40xuA&s=19

It's also pointless dalali

What do they want instead?
AGM-88 HARM?
KH-31?

 

[Pazhassiraja]

In the press meet, Lt. Gen. Rahul Singh mentioned that some Indian systems worked well in Operation Sindoor, while some didn't. Does anyone have any idea which Indian systems he referred to that didn't meet expectations?

 

[shade2]

In the press meet, Lt. Gen. Rahul Singh mentioned that some Indian systems worked well in Operation Sindoor, while some didn't. Does anyone have any idea which Indian systems he referred to that didn't meet expectations?

People on twitter say it was the EW/Softkill systems.
So you had to use L-70 cannons to shoot the drones

 

[redpanda]

We can, what he is saying, he assumes we becomes a pariah like Iran.

All we have to do is tank any threats and tariffs/sanctions/embargoes till we destroy PAF and PN assets, and also PA storage depos or platforms..

In the months or maybe year after that do I'M SORRY SAAAR diplomacy and concessions to get the sanctions removed.
Maybe dial up Tim Apple and other invested Corpos to also do some lobbying.

The heaviest sanctions on China post tiananmen square massacre were removed in 2 years, however the arms embargo remained and that was a good thing for the Chings.

This all assumes Govt's objective is to do serious damage to Fauji Foundation.


If them having us by the balls was so definite you wouldn't see regime change mobs against leaderji, pannun-nijjer issue, GE engine drama etc, we would just obey the farmans out of Washington.

We do have some latitude but it's risky.

We technically were Pariah after the fall of Soviets for a quite a bit of time. Well we have sanctioned by them once afterall.

 

[shade2]

Micro-blogging platform X withholds Reuters primary handle in India acting on legal demand

Musk-owned ‘X’ in a statement in May underlined its ‘disagreement’ with Indian government, saying ‘in most cases it has not specified which posts from an account have violated India’s local laws’.

theprint.in

Looks like another Baboo scheme to prevent foreign propaganda outlets from being blocked during even wartime.

The way this would work is
> Reuters files case in SC
> Meelards give some freedom of speech ruling which sets a precedent
> In future foreign media handles cannot be blocked in country whatever the cause.

 

[truthsoldier]

If Rudram has been given DAC clearance for acquisition doesn't it mean it has moved beyond from the ambit of IAF to MoD where contract will be worked out?

View: https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1941762175011287059?t=L2ASIxOfZ4tZwUhoyOsswA&s=19

 

[randombully]

It's also pointless dalali

What do they want instead?
AGM-88 HARM?
KH-31?

They like systems that are already tested.
Completeled captive trails, and user trails simulating wartime scenarios, even better if tested in war itself.
It's not about Capability, it's about the weapon performing as promised and not having malfunction etc.

With domestic systems, they have go through Years long process of testing the weapons themselves, as

In Phoren systems another airforce already done the extensive work, and they can just buy it.
But again, integration with our diverse fleet is a problem with phoren systems, as seen in many recent examples.
But Israelis already went through extensive efforts to make their systems easy to integrate in our fleet( except rafale).
So in case of phoren, especially israeli systems, IAF doesn't need to be part of developmental process, Don't have to do the hard work, can just buy an already "proven" system.

 

[randombully]

If Rudram has been given DAC clearance for acquisition doesn't it mean it has moved beyond from the ambit of IAF to MoD where contract will be worked out?

View: https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1941762175011287059?t=L2ASIxOfZ4tZwUhoyOsswA&s=19

Final approval and contract signing will not be given until user trails are completed, and it satisfies IAF.
DAC approval, is not Final approval.

 

[Cereal Killer]

If further delay in user trails **doesn't** happen, then user trails can be concluded in late 2025-early 2026.
With "limited series production" starting in late 2026-early 2027.

Due to delays in user trail, rudram 1 and 2 will have their production start at similar time.


In "User trails" IAF tests the missiles in "realistic wartime scenarios".
So it's not just attaching a missile, flying and firing it, as done in validation trails.

The modified su30mki testbed for user trails was delayed until late 2024.
The modified testbed is modified for all three rudram 1,2,3 missiles.
Su30 mki was given for modifications in late 2023.
So IAF delayed in providing testbed to be modified for a year when captive trails for rudram 1 were completed in 2022, and it took approx an entire year to modify a su30 just to become compatible with another missile.
So user trails began in late 2024.

So that's basically the saga of rudram 1 induction delay by 2-3 years than expected.
Further delays are further possible.

Looks like DAC clearance is all hogwash then

View: https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1941762175011287059?t=8moc-QYfd82yCUY0RrHVfA&s=19

 

[shade2]

They like systems that are already tested.
Completeled captive trails, and user trails simulating wartime scenarios, even better if tested in war itself.
It's not about Capability, it's about the weapon performing as promised and not having malfunction etc.

With domestic systems, they have go through Years long process of testing the weapons themselves, as

In Phoren systems another airforce already done the extensive work, and they can just buy it.
But again, integration with our diverse fleet is a problem with phoren systems, as seen in many recent examples.
But Israelis already went through extensive efforts to make their systems easy to integrate in our fleet( except rafale).
So in case of phoren, especially israeli systems, IAF doesn't need to be part of developmental process, Don't have to do the hard work, can just buy an already "proven" system.

Thanks for explaining the "Buy from 5 places" mindset saar

btw one such proven SCALP missile was on it's way to Sargodha, had a malfunction and fell in a field.

 

[randombully]

Looks like DAC clearance is all hogwash then

View: https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1941762175011287059?t=8moc-QYfd82yCUY0RrHVfA&s=19

I mean yeah, the twitter post itself says All these systems that are given DAC approval are in development.
And delays in development are possible, and expected.

 

[shade2]

Micro-blogging platform X withholds Reuters primary handle in India acting on legal demand

Musk-owned ‘X’ in a statement in May underlined its ‘disagreement’ with Indian government, saying ‘in most cases it has not specified which posts from an account have violated India’s local laws’.

theprint.in

Looks like another Baboo scheme to prevent foreign propaganda outlets from being blocked during even wartime.

The way this would work is
> Reuters files case in SC
> Meelards give some freedom of speech ruling which sets a precedent
> In future foreign media handles cannot be blocked in country whatever the cause.

WE DINDU NUFFIN SAAAR

No directive from us: Government on blocking Reuters X account in India

The Centre clarified that no such request to block Reuters's X account was made and said it is working with the microblogging site to resolve the issue.

www.indiatoday.in