Air India AI 171 Crash in Ahmedabad (8 Viewers)

[Vilander]

Lately, there's been a huge spike in racism against Indians in Canada — I read it's gone up by over 1200%.

The sheer amount of hateful, racist comments under CBC’s videos about the Indian dentist who died in the Air India crash was disturbing. It really shows how bad things have gotten

This topic needs a thread. You should check reddit. Some random brown guy throws garbage in parking lot, does some impatient entitled nonsense on the road, or oggles you will see a video and xenophobia again Indians. Not that our folks are saints but the racism is just pathetic.

 

[Vilander]

Lately, there's been a huge spike in racism against Indians in Canada — I read it's gone up by over 1200%.

The sheer amount of hateful, racist comments under CBC’s videos about the Indian dentist who died in the Air India crash was disturbing. It really shows how bad things have gotten

This topic needs a thread. You should check reddit. Some random brown guy throws garbage in parking lot, does some impatient entitled nonsense on the road, or oggles you will see a video and xenophobia again Indians. Not that our folks are saints but the racism is just pathetic.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Prem report is very dark and points not to pilot error but to pilot suicide.

Suicide and mass murder of 250+ people

 

[angryindian]

Prem report is very dark and points not to pilot error but to pilot suicide.

Suicide immediately after taking off and giving mayday calls ?

This sounds quite fishy......I was watching a video by Gaurav Taneja, a YouTuber and pilot. He stated that many crashes caused by technical malfunctions or other reasons are often blamed on deceased pilots, allowing airline companies and manufacturers to distance themselves from the incident easily.

 

[randombully]

This thread would be of help to people interested.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...8-crash-in-ahmedabad.46675/page-6#post-809351

 

[Decahex]

Suicide immediately after taking off and giving mayday calls ?

This sounds quite fishy......I was watching a video by Gaurav Taneja, a YouTuber and pilot. He stated that many crashes caused by technical malfunctions or other reasons are often blamed on deceased pilots, allowing airline companies and manufacturers to distance themselves from the incident easily.

It's the preliminary report. All we really know for a fact is that fuel flow was cut off. Whether this was due to the pilot actually flipping the switches or if something else was at play, be it some sort of maintenance issue or something else. A pilot suicide cannot be ruled out either just because mayday was declared because the pilot declaring the mayday may not have been the same one who flipped the switches. The report says that the other pilot denied doing that but this needs to be investigated further. It's best not to be biased in either directions until the full report comes out. But as it stands.... It's not looking good.

 

[AgniFanboy]

Fairly impressed with the preliminary report released by the AAIB. They have conducted a comprehensive investigation thus far and covered all important aspects of the crash. It's too early to assign blame and the focus of the investigation should be on what happened. It might seem frustrating that the AAIB is withholding certain details, however it's understandable and reasonable at this stage. They delivered a solid report and should get credit for doing so.

Assuming the Pilot Flying, which is in this case, the Flight Officer, was in fact flying the plane with both hands on the control yoke, it would be nearly impossible to flip those switches deliberately or inadvertently. Which means it was extremely likely that the fuel was cut by the Pilot in Charge. The Captain.

 

[liberalredditor]

Why is everyone framing this as suicide from pilots? Understood that switching off the fuel pump would not be a mistake like a simple switch. But a fuel pump can malfunction right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR anything can malfunction, fuel pump can too.

And if this is a suicide, then this is 100% a sabotage from phoren, israel used to do same with iran flights which carries revolutionary guards. They would have assured x million usd for the pilot family and then did this.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Why is everyone framing this as suicide from pilots? Understood that switching off the fuel pump would not be a mistake like a simple switch. But a fuel pump can malfunction right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR anything can malfunction, fuel pump can too.

And if this is a suicide, then this is 100% a sabotage from phoren, israel used to do same with iran flights which carries revolutionary guards. They would have assured x million usd for the pilot family and then did this.

View: https://x.com/shivaroor/status/1943761141999841781?s=46

 

[angryindian]

Why is everyone framing this as suicide from pilots? Understood that switching off the fuel pump would not be a mistake like a simple switch. But a fuel pump can malfunction right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR anything can malfunction, fuel pump can too.

The preliminary report says that the Engine Fuel cut-off switch was transitioned from RUN to Cut off one after the other


Thereafter the the Engine Fuel cut off switch was once again transitioned from Cut off to Run.Engine 1’s core speed, which was slowing due to the fuel cutoff, stopped decelerating, began to increase again.But Unlike Engine 1, Engine 2’s core speed continued to slow down despite the relight attempt and unable to stabilize or increase its core speed effectively

 

[Nicky]

Why is everyone framing this as suicide from pilots? Understood that switching off the fuel pump would not be a mistake like a simple switch. But a fuel pump can malfunction right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR anything can malfunction, fuel pump can too.

And if this is a suicide, then this is 100% a sabotage from phoren, israel used to do same with iran flights which carries revolutionary guards. They would have assured x million usd for the pilot family and then did this.

Western framing to save Boeing and Indian collusion for money.


View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1943882484707734002?t=kGogHWrSvJ-teAUXeUfksg&s=19


View: https://x.com/OpIndia_com/status/1943815065591066970?t=WJAzqIG91UwomPZV4ShqTQ&s=19

 

[AgniFanboy]

Why is everyone framing this as suicide from pilots? Understood that switching off the fuel pump would not be a mistake like a simple switch. But a fuel pump can malfunction right? @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR anything can malfunction, fuel pump can too.

And if this is a suicide, then this is 100% a sabotage from phoren, israel used to do same with iran flights which carries revolutionary guards. They would have assured x million usd for the pilot family and then did this.

Because a suicide is sadly the most likely scenario here. A malfunction would have showed up in the data and there would have been an advisory released with this report. Additionally, one fuel switch may malfunction sure, but both of them in a matter of seconds? Astronomically unlikely.

It's also telling that the question was directly "Why did you cut off the switches?", rather than the neutral "Why did we lose fuel, What happened to the fuel switches, We lost the engines, or, What happened...or similar". It is a very specific and direct question, which implies that the one asking was aware immediately that they'd been turned off. The CVR audio and the intonation of the pilots voices will make it clearer if the question sounds like an accusation and whether it expresses any emotions as well as if the response was flat or sounded like someone lying.

It's also pretty unhinged to straightaway jump at the conclusion that since it's a suicide, there was foreign involvement. Mental health issues and depression are real and our airline industry overworks aviators to the point that they take naps in the cockpit. This wouldn't be the first time a pilot suffering from mental health issues has crashed a passenger flight. Germanwings Flight 9525 in 2015 is a recent example. There weren't any important personnel on the flight anyway for it to be an intelligence operation by an adversary.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Prem report is very dark and points not to pilot error but to pilot suicide.

10 years back. There was an similar suicide Air crash.

Germanwings Flight 9525 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kailv8]

Dear fellow countrymen, I hate to break it to you but this is India's version of German Wings. There is absolutely no way in a billion odds that these fuel cut off switches can be operated due to software or hardware issue without manual-human input, they are fail safe mechanical switches which are connected directly to FADEC.

It is part of the closed loop/isolated system architecture that the Boeing 787 uses, It is clear to me one of the pilots deliberately pulled the switches and the other tried to reverse the horrific actions, the switch toggle sound and aircraft alarms consequent to the actions along with the ensuing fight/tussle between the pilots to re-initiate the cut off switches to on position would have been recorded in the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), transcripts of which are yet to be released.



The FAA directive for Honeywell manufactured 4TL837‑3D switches only says “few aircrafts did not have the locking feature functional” which would have obviously been reported long ago by the pilots of VT-ANB or another 787 back in 2018 itself when the directive was put out, which clearly did not occur till date. Even if the locking mechanism failed, the power needed to pull and engage this switches due to the spring action system holding the switches would be immense, way more than Takeoff/Rotate cabin vibration can accidentally induce.


Post crash analysis of the switches will also reveal if there is indeed a mechanical issue with the spring seat or push/pull mechanism required to operate the switches, data of which would exist already with AAIB.

The FDR data and no technical directive to Boeing/GE strongly suggests and confirms the above scenario. Remember the weakest link always, is mostly human not machines.

AAIB also clearly knows exactly which pilot would have engaged the cut off switches as well but pending investigation has decided not to release the CVR transcripts for confirmation. Definitely not the kind of fate 259 lost souls would have ever imagined even in their worst nightmares. Om Shanti to the departed souls.

 

[Durin's Folk]

Because a suicide is sadly the most likely scenario here. A malfunction would have showed up in the data and there would have been an advisory released with this report. Additionally, one fuel switch may malfunction sure, but both of them in a matter of seconds? Astronomically unlikely.

It's also telling that the question was directly "Why did you cut off the switches?", rather than the neutral "Why did we lose fuel, What happened to the fuel switches, We lost the engines, or, What happened...or similar". It is a very specific and direct question, which implies that the one asking was aware immediately that they'd been turned off. The CVR audio and the intonation of the pilots voices will make it clearer if the question sounds like an accusation and whether it expresses any emotions as well as if the response was flat or sounded like someone lying.

It's also pretty unhinged to straightaway jump at the conclusion that since it's a suicide, there was foreign involvement. Mental health issues and depression are real and our airline industry overworks aviators to the point that they take naps in the cockpit. This wouldn't be the first time a pilot suffering from mental health issues has crashed a passenger flight. Germanwings Flight 9525 in 2015 is a recent example. There weren't any important personnel on the flight anyway for it to be an intelligence operation by an adversary.

Exactly my hypothesis. A very level headed post calling out what it is. Kudos.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/vishnundtv/status/1943760535360581869?s=46

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/viper202020/status/1943827496589221989?s=46

 

[liberalredditor]

Dear fellow countrymen, I hate to break it to you but this is India's version of German Wings. There is absolutely no way in a billion odds that these fuel cut off switches can be operated due to software or hardware issue without manual-human input, they are fail safe mechanical switches which are connected directly to FADEC.

It is part of the closed loop/isolated system architecture that the Boeing 787 uses, It is clear to me one of the pilots deliberately pulled the switches and the other tried to reverse the horrific actions, the switch toggle sound and aircraft alarms consequent to the actions along with the ensuing fight/tussle between the pilots to re-initiate the cut off switches to on position would have been recorded in the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), transcripts of which are yet to be released.

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The FAA directive for Honeywell manufactured 4TL837‑3D switches only says “few aircrafts did not have the locking feature functional” which would have obviously been reported long ago by the pilots of VT-ANB or another 787 back in 2018 itself when the directive was put out, which clearly did not occur till date. Even if the locking mechanism failed, the power needed to pull and engage this switches due to the spring action system holding the switches would be immense, way more than Takeoff/Rotate cabin vibration can accidentally induce.

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Post crash analysis of the switches will also reveal if there is indeed a mechanical issue with the spring seat or push/pull mechanism required to operate the switches, data of which would exist already with AAIB.

The FDR data and no technical directive to Boeing/GE strongly suggests and confirms the above scenario. Remember the weakest link always, is mostly human not machines.

AAIB also clearly knows exactly which pilot would have engaged the cut off switches as well but pending investigation has decided not to release the CVR transcripts for confirmation. Definitely not the kind of fate 259 lost souls would have ever imagined even in their worst nightmares. Om Shanti to the departed souls.

But what if the fuel pump was faulty and it malfunctioned? Why not look at another side? Muh western supremacist will never look at it. Everyone from the start was saying pilot error pilot error.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/mujifren/status/1943872349784154283

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/Incognito_qfs/status/1943872824461975956

Pilot 1 didn't cut the fuel
Pilot 2 didn't cut the fuel

Then who what cut the fuel?

software based fiddling is way beyond Paki's capability so this has to be one of the "If it's Boeing, I ain't going" cases or the glowing agencies of the US have done this to show India it's place.

Eitherway dead pilots would be blamed because US would be upset otherwise.