Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (44 Viewers)

This order included exactly 200 Meteor and 200 Scalp.

We must have placed more orders for Scalp and Meteor as part of EP.

recently came across a video which claims french production rate of scalp is about 50 per annum, and within that 50 we have to presume they have to cater their own requirements and as well as all their customers.

there is a supply side constraint as long as we are importing.


View: https://youtu.be/riLP_Au1wrg
 
recently came across a video which claims french production rate of scalp is about 50 per annum, and within that 50 we have to presume they have to cater their own requirements and as well as all their customers.

there is a supply side constraint as long as we are importing.


View: https://youtu.be/riLP_Au1wrg


We have to import for quite some time since other A2G missiles haven't been integrated with Rafale.
 
We have to import for quite some time since other A2G missiles haven't been integrated with Rafale.

and start a localisation programme in parallel where there is a supply side constraint. this has been the story of Indian domestic defence industry for decades.

it doesn't matter which platform a particular munition delivery system is launched from, as long as it goes and hits where it is told to hit as per op requirements.

so desi A2G portfolio in general has to expand. before SAAW, rudram and LRGB came into picture, this A2G portfolio was looking worse than it is today.
 
National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval, while addressing graduates at the convocation ceremony at the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras, challenged the international media to show a photograph of even one window pane in an Indian facility broken by Pakistan's armed forces after it launched Operation Bunyan al Marsoos as a counter to Operation Sindoor against Pakistan-based jihadists who were behind the Pahalgam massacre of 26 civilians on April 22.



The NSA's comment has to be read in the backdrop of evidence that indicates Pakistan fired not less than 840 missiles at India after nine terror factories were targeted by the Indian armed forces.

While Indian experts are in the process of examining the missile debris and recovered unexploded Chinese missiles fired by Pakistan, not a single military target brigade headquarters, air defence batteries, air bases or even an observation balloon in India was hit by enemy missiles between May 7 and May 10.

Also, not one Scalp, Rampage or Crystal Maze missile launched by India at Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) headquarters in Muridke and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) headquarters in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, was intercepted by Pakistan's anti-missile batteries. This was despite Pakistan's radars, air defence batteries and surface-to-air missile units being on red alert after Prime Minister (PM) Narendra Modi signalled military retaliation against terrorists and their supporters in Pakistan at a rally in Madhubani, Bihar, on April 24, two days after the Pahalgam massacre.



It is not that the Pakistani air defences and radars were not working, but it was India's strategic deception that fooled Rawalpindi on May 7. Also, the Pakistani armed forces had no answer to the Indian BrahMos missile attack on May 10: None of the 18 missiles fired by India at 13 air bases in a span of 12 hours, were intercepted by Pakistan's anti-missile batteries. The BrahMos struck Bholari air base that housed Pakistan's airborne early warning aircraft. All the five hangars were destroyed in the attack. Aircraft hangars and runways were also targeted at other air bases including Chaklala in Rawalpindi and Nur Khan.



While Pakistan and its supporters may take solace in the claims that Indian fighter planes, at least one Rafale, were shot down on May 7, India has managed to send a clear message that it will respond conventionally to terror attacks, and that no spot in Pakistan is safe from Indian missiles. The big question is: Will the Pakistan army allow its home-bred jihadists to strike terror in Kashmir or Indian hinterland in the future?



There are multiple factors that Rawalpindi will have to take into account. First, the population of Kashmir Valley will oppose any further disruption of the tourist season as any terror strike is a blow to their livelihood. Second, terror groups such as LeT and JeM function under the protection of Pakistan's spy agency, ISI.

It is impossible for LeT and JeM to act unilaterally. Of course, the possibility of jihadists playing solo cannot be ruled out, but that may have serious repercussions. Third, since India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty and linked it to cross-border terrorism, Pakistan will have to think hard before approving any covert terror strike in India: Water scarcity will cause havoc in Punjab and Sindh and may lead to political unrest. Fourth, Pakistan knows that Indian retaliation to any future terror attack can be more deadly than Operation Sindoor as PM Modi has given a free hand to the Indian armed forces.



So, will Pakistan stop the jihadists from launching cross-border attacks on India in future? Unlikely. The Punjab-based jihadists have been religiously, ideologically and personally humiliated by Operation Sindoor and would want to avenge the destruction of Muridke and Bahawalpur in the near future. The country's army chief Asim Munir has been accusing India for orchestrating attacks in Balochistan and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and could use any major incident in these insurgency prone areas to target India. The chances of Pakistan resorting to another Bunyan al Marsoos is unlikely due to India's conventional dominance, but Delhi must stay alert.
 
Y'all nibbiars, considering the Paki penchant for equal-equal and sem2sem i think the next round will involve usage of supersonic missiles( because we rekt them with Brahmos ) against us

Like the Chinese YJ-12

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Or CM400 which is an ALBM( i think )

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What are our defenses against enemy supersonic missiles? Spyder/Barak8? S400?
Can fighter jets shoot these missiles down?
 
Y'all nibbiars, considering the Paki penchant for equal-equal and sem2sem i think the next round will involve usage of supersonic missiles( because we rekt them with Brahmos ) against us

Like the Chinese YJ-12

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Or CM400 which is an ALBM( i think )

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What are our defenses against enemy supersonic missiles? Spyder/Barak8? S400?
Can fighter jets shoot these missiles down?

we will know after STAR comes online
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Y'all nibbiars, considering the Paki penchant for equal-equal and sem2sem i think the next round will involve usage of supersonic missiles( because we rekt them with Brahmos ) against us

Like the Chinese YJ-12

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Or CM400 which is an ALBM( i think )

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What are our defenses against enemy supersonic missiles? Spyder/Barak8? S400?
Can fighter jets shoot these missiles down?
CM-400AKG is a subsonic air-launched missile that can be deployed from JF-17 or J-10C. However, Pakistan was unable to utilize it during Operation Sindoor, as their aircraft could not approach the Indian border due to strong Indian air defenses. Air-launched missiles are also extremely expensive—each BrahMos costs around $5.5 million. While the upcoming BrahMos NG will be more affordable, it will feature a smaller warhead. India would benefit from developing a stealth bomber similar to the B-2 Spirit—capable of penetrating Pakistani air defenses and delivering bunker-buster bombs on high-value targets such as airbases, command-and-control centers, and nuclear installations.
 
Y'all nibbiars, considering the Paki penchant for equal-equal and sem2sem i think the next round will involve usage of supersonic missiles( because we rekt them with Brahmos ) against us

Like the Chinese YJ-12

View attachment 44159

Or CM400 which is an ALBM( i think )

View attachment 44158

What are our defenses against enemy supersonic missiles? Spyder/Barak8? S400?
Can fighter jets shoot these missiles down?

pakis have around 150 CM-400, may be they will stock double the amount by next time.

But its trajectory is ballistic and in last phase it goes supersonic speeds.

Any missile with ballistic trajectory can be targeted by any Quick reaction SAMs or even AAMs.

India has MRSAM and Akash Prime/NG and once come online QRSAMs best suited to take this down regarding missiles like YJ-12 MRSAM is best suited and Akash NG once comes online
 
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Ideal objectives of Op Sindoor 2 : Brahmos Boogaloo should have all PAF/PA/PN assets, storage sites and infra taken out


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Ok not "all" but most should be hammered so that all their assets are 100% unrecoverable write-offs

Such *pic related* Nirbhay variants would be essential for that. BrahMos is too expensive to be wasted on these inbreds who can't even stop glide bombs like Hammer on Murid.
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Why would IAF even hit a scrapyard instead of a Hangar just a minute away? Whatever we sent towards Rafiqui got intercepted and it was visible in the videos as well. Surprising people here aren't discussing this.
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I'm also interested in how to intercept super sonic missiles if this was a brahmos.

As i've said Ching has ~2 such SSMs, one is YJ-12, they have another one also but name escapes me, they can supply it to Paapistan.

ALBM ka bhi idk, but then the Ukies intercept Ruskal Iskanders with Patriot missiles so maybe S400 can do the same ?
 
CM-400AKG is a subsonic air-launched missile that can be deployed from JF-17 or J-10C. However, Pakistan was unable to utilize it during Operation Sindoor, as their aircraft could not approach the Indian border due to strong Indian air defenses. Air-launched missiles are also extremely expensive—each BrahMos costs around $5.5 million. While the upcoming BrahMos NG will be more affordable, it will feature a smaller warhead. India would benefit from developing a stealth bomber similar to the B-2 Spirit—capable of penetrating Pakistani air defenses and delivering bunker-buster bombs on high-value targets such as airbases, command-and-control centers, and nuclear installations.
The US spent overall $20 billion+ in R&D for the stealth bomber. Each B2 costs $2 billion. No one has such resources. We can but we refuse to become a developed nation with a gigantic central budget.
 
Y'all nibbiars, considering the Paki penchant for equal-equal and sem2sem i think the next round will involve usage of supersonic missiles( because we rekt them with Brahmos ) against us

Like the Chinese YJ-12

View attachment 44159

Or CM400 which is an ALBM( i think )

View attachment 44158

What are our defenses against enemy supersonic missiles? Spyder/Barak8? S400?
Can fighter jets shoot these missiles down?
I think both MRSAM and S400 should be able to defend these threats. At least CM400AKG and Fateh 2 were used during Op Sindoor.

CM400AKG is single stage solid rocket, it burns out for gaining altitude of around 60,000 - 100,000 feet and then performs a terminal dive onto the target to gain speed. I expect it's terminal speed to be in the 1.5-2.5 (max 3) mach range.

Re YJ12A, it is AShM and already equipped with PN Type 054A, IN MRSAM should be able to handle it. It has a terminal speed comparable to brahmos's ~mach 2 at sea level.

Barak-8/MRSAM according to IAI has demonstrated capability to intercept mach 3+ targets.

So with current SAMs these threats can be defended against but Kusha program is critical to make AD more fail safe and better at handling volume.

At Sirsa, it was MRSAM that intercepted Fateh 2:

View: https://x.com/SanathNarayan/status/1920972667043135608
 
I think both MRSAM and S400 should be able to defend these threats. At least CM400AKG and Fateh 2 were used during Op Sindoor.

CM400AKG is single stage solid rocket, it burns out for gaining altitude of around 60,000 - 100,000 feet and then performs a terminal dive onto the target to gain speed. I expect it's terminal speed to be in the 1.5-2.5 (max 3) mach range.

Re YJ12A, it is AShM and already equipped with PN Type 054A, IN MRSAM should be able to handle it. It has a terminal speed comparable to brahmos's ~mach 2 at sea level.

Barak-8/MRSAM according to IAI has demonstrated capability to intercept mach 3+ targets.

So with current SAMs these threats can be defended against but Kusha program is critical to make AD more fail safe and better at handling volume.

At Sirsa, it was MRSAM that intercepted Fateh 2:

View: https://x.com/SanathNarayan/status/1920972667043135608


Thanks for detailed reply, was thinking we needed something specialized like Kusha or THAAD just to intercept BM/Supersonic missiles
 
Thanks for detailed reply, was thinking we needed something specialized like Kusha or THAAD just to intercept BM/Supersonic missiles
Our BMD programme is for that only, Ashwin/Prithvi kill vehicles are meant to take out such targets. Below that S-400/Kusha type SAMs can do the job.
 

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